People have Faith in Aliens/UFO's why not God?

As Carl Sagan said "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe"

I think more people have faith in God than the OP allows for. It's just that the majority of these people are not religious. To have faith in God is simply to believe he exists in one form or another. To be religious is to have faith in man (the men who wrote the texts you work from, and every man between them and you who has passed those texts on - see more info in my post here)

I think there are probably equal people who believe in God as there are people who believe in aliens. There are, however, more people who claim to know exactly who God is and what his nature is and what he wants, than there are people who claim to know who/what aliens are, what their nature is and what they want.

It is one thing to purely believe something exists. It is another thing altogether to claim to know intricate details about that something.

Here's an interesting NYT's article. It's long but it's a good read to understand those whose god is science.

Evolu tion and Religion: Darwin's God

I would stop any evil that happened in my presence, but you knew that didn't you.
Only three possible answers for humans, God isn't human though, but you knew that didn't you.
The bible was not written by God, You are right, it was written by man but inspired by god,
Ok, no excuses now, I will answer.
There is a God and he is good.
Man is evil. but you knew that didn't you.
Isn't it a bummer when people won't say what you want them to say. When they won't admit something that you believe to be true. I bet thats why someone thought of torturing people. Yes man is evil.
John

Originally posted by Ashley_T
It saddens me to think that faith in our Father/God is decreasing.

Can you replace the word 'OUR' in your quote with the word 'MY' instead.

Your Father/God is not my Father/God.

I don't believe in God, it doesn't exist. Don't try to state that God is the collective Father for us, when it isn't.

Originally posted by tezzajw
I don't believe in God, it doesn't exist. Don't try to state that God is the collective Father for us, when it isn't.

Us old timers know....its pointless discussing politics and religion. Someone's gonna' get their feelings hurt.

Edit to add: Sorry, but my God teaches me that He is your Father also....whether you like it or not. The omnipotence of God brushes aside your pitiful attempts to deny what I and many others have total faith in.


[edit on 8-3-2007 by MrPenny]

quote: Originally posted by Ashley_T
It saddens me to think that faith in our Father/God is decreasing.


Can you replace the word 'OUR' in your quote with the word 'MY' instead.

Your Father/God is not my Father/God.

That's ok, Ashley, seeing as I share this sentiment, we can say you were speaking for me as well.

Thus, making it "OUR" Father/God.

In my opinion, whoever believes in religion is an idiot. I would bet my life 99% of christians in this country don't even know half of what the bible is about, what its origins are, what stories are behind it, and what is was made for. The bible is a fairy tale, while some of the stuff may have been adapted from older stories or folk lore, and some of it is basic history, there is no huge even like the coming 'Jesus' that is true. Call me crazy, call me a biggot, call me whatever you like. The fact is, I doubt almost everyone who is part of a faith doesn't know jack about it. Jesus for instance? Guess what? He didn't even freaking exist. There were no other documents EVER about him outside of the bible. Don't you think something like that would be written down elsewhere? Even if it was in somones 'journal'? Heres another thing. With each issuing of the bible, stories, quotes, events and people in it get slightly changed. If you compared a bible from 1000 A.D. with one today, it would be vastly different. I can easily see the bible having been made as a book of morals so to speak, and over time, when it fell into the hands of the ignorants, becoming an actual religion, and over time the book became more and more altered. Not to mention all of the inconsistancies. Sorry but its just a bunch of crap. The likeliness of some form of alien life being on the trillions and trillions of other planets around the galaxy is almost definite, the validity of a musty old book you have no idea where it came from is something I wouldn't rest my arm on.

Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by tezzajw
I don't believe in God, it doesn't exist. Don't try to state that God is the collective Father for us, when it isn't.

Sorry, but my God teaches me that He is your Father also....whether you like it or not. The omnipotence of God brushes aside your pitiful attempts to deny what I and many others have total faith in.
[edit on 8-3-2007 by MrPenny]

Your pitiful faith is an example of omnipotent stupidity. You can claim all you like in knowing how YOU were created and what YOUR place is in this universe.

Keep your egocentric claims to yourself and don't extend them to me by trying to inform me that I'm a product of a fictional character.

I have no problem with people believing in a God for them, that's fine, we need a certain amount of delusional people in the world to make mass control that much easier for the masters. Just don't go over-extending your beliefs by trying to include me in YOUR God's plans. God does not exist to me, or for me.

Originally posted by Gooey
Call me crazy, call me a biggot, call me whatever you like.

O.K., if I have your permission....You're a crazy, bigoted, fool. Feel better?

That's O.K. God loves you. I love you.

I second on that one -- its OUR FATHER/GOD

But having said this, like many here, I'm very leery of religious fanaticism in any way, shape or form. Not too long ago (2 or 3 yrs ago or so?), I accidentally stumbled on a 'Christian" chatroom where I found out that there's a whole underground of 'trolldom' comprised of militant Christian Fundamentalists whose mission is to troll all UFO and paranormal related forums on the internet to disrupt conversations having to do with alien contactees and abductees including conversations about such things as ghosts, witchcraft and so on... Believe it or not, there are many, many individuals out there who do this on a full time basis!
And why do they do it? It's because they think all of these topics are Satanic.
At the time it didn't interest me if people were doing that or not, but now having spent time on this forum -- and this is the longest time I've ever been a participant on an online forum, I'm convinced that many of these trolls that invade this forum are members of such underground groups. And that they are posing as skeptics but in actuality, they are anything but that. I'm just reporting this because I think it's important for us to be aware that many of these so-called trolls are not what you think -- at least not all of them.



[edit on 8-3-2007 by Palasheea]

Originally posted by tezzajw
You can claim all you like in knowing how YOU were created and what YOUR place is in this universe.

Nothing magical. Ova + sperm = Me!!! Duh......

Keep your egocentric claims to yourself and don't extend them to me by trying to inform me that I'm a product of a fictional character.

Why be hostile when I extend a caring, loving, and forgiving hand to you? Need I remind you that "tezzajaw" appears to be a fictional character? Yet, I'm pretty sure of your existence.

Please see my previous post for other insights.

Originally posted by jon1
I would stop any evil that happened in my presence, but you knew that didn't you.

Yes I did which proves you are a better entity than god......if he existed. No one with an ounce of goodness in them could ignore such a thing.

Originally posted by jon1
Only three possible answers for humans, God isn't human though, but you knew that didn't you.
The bible was not written by God, You are right, it was written by man but inspired by god,

Yes, it was also written when people thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Do you still believe that too?

Originally posted by jon1
Ok, no excuses now, I will answer.
There is a God and he is good.

No hes not, youve just proven that by saying he would ignore child rape with the lamest of excuses. Again, what would you think of a person if they said theyd ignore that because they didnt want to interfere? Would you say they are a good person?

Originally posted by jon1
Man is evil. but you knew that didn't you.

Some men are evil, some are not.

Originally posted by jon1
Isn't it a bummer when people won't say what you want them to say. When they won't admit something that you believe to be true. I bet thats why someone thought of torturing people. Yes man is evil.
John

You mean like how the church tortured or killed people who disagreed with them?

You still haven't made any sense as to why god would ignore such horrible acts, saying he wouldn't know where to draw the line undermines anything you say. If there was a god, he would know where to draw the line in stopping horrible acts because he is god and knows everything!

If he couldn't make up his mind, how about him stopping people breaking the 10 commandments, those are set in stone.

Youve gone round and round in circles, youve ending up saying you would stop a horrible act but you make excuses for your god into allowing that act in his presence.

Thats not the sort of god Id want to believe in.

Originally posted by MrPenny

Keep your egocentric claims to yourself and don't extend them to me by trying to inform me that I'm a product of a fictional character.

Why be hostile when I extend a caring, loving, and forgiving hand to you? Need I remind you that "tezzajaw" appears to be a fictional character? Yet, I'm pretty sure of your existence.

Please see my previous post for other insights.

When you first use the word 'pitiful' against me (to put me down), that's a provocative act of hostility.

You, being a servant of God and a spreader of love, should choose the tone and context of your words more carefully and not take blind-sighted shots at people without prior provocation.

I can't gain any insights from your previous posts, they are largely based on fiction.

I'll describe to the best of my abilities about an article that I read months ago concerning the existence of God.

(If anyone has heard of it, would you have the link please?)
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Paraphrasing...

There was a heated debate in a philosophical university class regarding the 'existance of God'.

The professor took the non-religious route, while a particularly voiced and stubborn student took the spiritual/religious side.

The professor demanded proof from the students; to which NO ONE could provide. He asked the question "Does anyone know the mind of God/Know what God is thinking/? NO? then I guess he doesn't exist. "God is 'supposedly in EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE"

The out-spoken student retorted with these simple questions:

"Do we know the mind of the professor? What he thinks? NO? then I guess he doesn't exist? I see him in front of me, but I can't see his soul, oh well.

The class was in an uproar.
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Anyways, that was sort of along the lines of the story that I remember.
I'm sorry I don't know where the link is, if someone remembers this from their travels, please let me know.

That makes no sense at all, they could see the prof. and they could communicate with him. Going by basic logic, he then exists.

I cannot see the cd in my player but if I hear the music on, I can safely assume there is a disk in there, only a moron would think otherwise.

Because the existance of life on other planets does not defy science in any way.

However religion does sort of defy science. And I don't want to cause a huge religious argument but faith basically equals a bizarre excuse to believe in something. Faith is utterly stupid. Hey I might as well say I have faith that there is a large badger at the center of the earth, and within this badger lives a colony of midgets who surf in their free time.

Apparently, because I have "faith" in it, it makes it perfectly okay to believe in such a thing.

People believe in life on other planets because
A) Theres life on this one.
B) There are other planets, most we haven't discovered.
C) The simple possibilities are endless.

However god is just...there is no...theres many scientific expla...eh...you've probably heard it a million times, its utterly useless, these arguments. So I might as well not continue.

Kacen, now you are just being silly!! Midgets don't surf!!

Originally posted by Kacen
Hey I might as well say I have faith that there is a large badger at the center of the earth, and within this badger lives a colony of midgets who surf in their free time.

Kacen, you're going to cause a break-away religion now!

I too believe that there is a badger at the centre of the Earth with a colony of surfing midgets inside it.

However, my cult/sect dogmatic belief interprets the holy badger scriptures as wave-surfing midgets. I'm old school from the days of badger-Genesis.

I've recently heard that there is division within the church and that break-away movementarians believe that the midgets actually surf the internet and not waves. With such a clash of scriptures and teaching, what shall we do now? Let's go and Holy War over it and sort it out.

The worst kind are the ones that think the midgets surf the waves in their free time and surf the internet when they are at work. Those people are just plain weird. Let's excommunicate them for their blasphemy against the Holy Badger Father.

Originally posted by Flyer
That makes no sense at all, they could see the prof. and they could communicate with him. Going by basic logic, he then exists.

I cannot see the cd in my player but if I hear the music on, I can safely assume there is a disk in there, only a moron would think otherwise.

I'd like to clarify a little bit about what I said.

The professor was asking about 'the mind of God', and if anyone could have proof of existance.

The student mirrored the professors questions back to him.

So in other words, just because we can't see the professors 'mind/soul', does it mean that the professor doesn't have one? That it doesn't exist?

"To think, therefore, I am?" hmmm.

We can't 'see' the wind, but we know its' there because we feel it's presence, blowing across our skin. etc. etc.