People have Faith in Aliens/UFO's why not God?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Kacen
Hey I might as well say I have faith that there is a large badger at the center of the earth, and within this badger lives a colony of midgets who surf in their free time.

Kacen, you're going to cause a break-away religion now!

I too believe that there is a badger at the centre of the Earth with a colony of surfing midgets inside it.

However, my cult/sect dogmatic belief interprets the holy badger scriptures as wave-surfing midgets. I'm old school from the days of badger-Genesis.

I've recently heard that there is division within the church and that break-away movementarians believe that the midgets actually surf the internet and not waves. With such a clash of scriptures and teaching, what shall we do now? Let's go and Holy War over it and sort it out.

The worst kind are the ones that think the midgets surf the waves in their free time and surf the internet when they are at work. Those people are just plain weird. Let's excommunicate them for their blasphemy against the Holy Badger Father.

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Whilst my contribution to this discussion is rather superficial and "back-patting" ; Never have I read such common sense on the internet. Possibly the best analogy and agree wholeheartedly.

[edit on 11-4-2007 by timb3r]

Originally posted by souls
ok, so let's say extraterrestrials created humanity, or manipulated humanity. then god created everything including the extraterrestrials. then the bible says something to this effect, "he is the Alpha and Omega, he has no beginning and no end" who did create god? he can't just be! i mean if you are dealing with creation, who did create god!? did he create himself? it's just one vicious circle that will break you apart. the theory of god just doesn't make sense. if anything makes some sense is that we are a collective energy, we are the same, no gods, just the same collective energy force. but then you have to ask, who created this energy force, and who created the one that created this energy force?

These are very good metaphysical questions.

The energy force you refer to was already there, before anyone came into being.

In their out-of-body journeys, near-death experiencers often describe seeing and uniting with The Light. This Light or Master-Vibration - as it is explained in this NDE - is not a person, but an energy or force, like gravity or electricity.

The Light is nonliving, infinite, and governed by Universal Law which cannot be changed one iota. The more spiritually advanced the soul, the greater its ability, when free of matter, to ascend into The Light. The higher the discarnate or spiritual plane, the greater the expansion of consciousness, and the more powerful the dimension of energy.

The Light predates The Big Bang as well as the rarefied being who orchestrated it. It is because of this Light that The Original Creator came into existence in the first place. Without The Light, there could never be stars, planets, souls, or even a rarefied God to start a Big Bang.

The Light is what enabled souls and Creation to emerge from nothingness. Without it, there would be no reality at all

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So who created The Original Creator who started The Big Bang?

The crux of the problem in logic is TIME.

How can something be created out of nothingness in linear time?

In the discarnate dimensions...

Time is a condition of consciousness. It is how souls experience reality. Without discarnate consciousness, linear time DOES NOT EXIST.

If there is no linear time but only a void and The Light, then a path is open for consciousness to emerge through its own probability

That consciousness must strive to be in The Light in order to slowly come into existence.

So it wasn't like The Original Creator just sprang into being as a rarefied God. That primordial soul had to slowly emerge as a primitive discarnate and slowly, arduously, learned to expand in The Light. Eventually, a level of God Realization was achieved and then rarefied God Consciousness.

Finally, my metaphysical investigations have led me to conclude that The Original Creator did not create us. After The Big Bang was manifested with The Light, the Godhead was divided up completely and irreversibly into trillions of basically spiritual souls (not gods or even saints), just angels of the yellow light.

Hence, The Original Creator did not manifest us but we are what is left of that rarefied being.

This is why there are so many religions and none of the gods in any of them (which are all Group Entities and not gods at all) are significantly more powerful than any other god-icon. A God that can manifest billions of galaxies would also be able to heal millions of people at once. No divine soul of that caliber has ever come to this world. What we have had to date are, in some cases, elaborate pallor tricks of Group Entities who are severely limited in scope of power.

None of the miracles in any of the world’s religions have signified the power of a God that can create a Big Bang with The Light. Rather, the religious miracles were orchestrated by large collectives of angels (at best).

Hope this insight helps those interested.



[edit on 12-4-2007 by Paul_Richard]

Good answer LOL

Theres more scientific proof of UFOs and ETI than that of any god.

Originally posted by Ashley_T
I find it interesting the amount of emotion people but into disproving God. They get very angry and visibly upset when the topic is brought up. Unlike other things they don't believe to be true.

Typically when someone doesn't believe in something or they believe something to be rubbish they laugh or don't comment.

When it comes to God, people get visibly upset and angry. They almost go the extra mile to disprove the idea.

People are always like that, most people who debate extraterriestrial existence usually get into angry/heated arguments just like when you bring up god/jesus. I would like to know certain things as well, like why does a 8 year old have to die of cancer from a young age, why bother being reincarnated into a new life when that life is so short anyway? Why do babies die in there mothers womb, why were they born in the first place? Why are so many people homeless? And most of these people are vietman vets that are nuts, the government does nothing for them. Why do cancer patients who are in pain have to listen to opinions of people that don't even know the truth "we don't exist when we die". Or even it's gonna be very painfull! Maybe these are the reasons some people are angry when they talk about it, while some are just narrowminded and you can't change that.

Hi Ashley T


My two cents

Like you I am a Christian and believe in Jesuschrist as my Lord and Saviour.

My certainty of the existance of Aliens comes from the simple fact that I saw them when I was a child and I was not the only witness.

Do I believe in aliens?, of course not. My belief is in the Almighty, but I know they exist. My mother saw them before I was born, and she is a very fundamentalist christian.

The concept of aliens opens the doorway for space exploration by mankind. Religion opens nothing. That's the reason people believe more in UFOs than God.

Originally posted by masterp
The concept of aliens opens the doorway for space exploration by mankind. Religion opens nothing. That's the reason people believe more in UFOs than God.

This entire thread has got to be a bad joke for the normal.

Now now why the UFO freaks are looked at the way they are...want to be there when you are getting the morphine drip in your last sad days. Begging to the silly UFO God??.....
Good luck.

People rarely have faith in Aliens. They just think they may exist, and, are trying to research the subject. In my opinion people who worship Aliens are wasting there time... they are not gods... so worshipping them is like worshipping a random person on the otherside of the world without them knowing. Pointless.

The reason people think Aliens exist... and not god... is because people may feel they've been abducted, they may of seen UFO's or been convinced by UFO stories.

God? People don't usually see spirits or ghosts, or anything holy. What convinces someone to beleive?

Now, the rest is MY opinion. I feel that it is GREAT people are turning away from religion. Now, the reason I say this is because, religion CAN be great... but religions obviously differ which sparks things like wars. I also feel that we should not worship something that is not there is completely pointless.

and all the mistral tulips were fools lips mimicking symetry
my saviour laid in a silver chrysalis chamber, commonly refered to as manger
no stranger to danger this odd man with sandals
this man who spoke peace as his thesis
of mice and men, of meek and mild
after which a religion of our world has clearly been styled
but never perfected before infection
a superstitous inquisition, a heretic trial
an old-fashioned witch hunt pent up in denial
turn the other cheek and reap up the benefits
far stronger than steel, my sword is called penmanship
defeated by man, resurrected again
portent of lazarus lost in the sand
a self-imposed crucifixtion as the theory of man
but i'll be damned if i understand it, or even a smidgen
saline tears from a statue bright as blood in the glisten
i want to be saved, but i dont need a saviour
i stand on my own, and thats why i fail here
sailed years without end, never spotted land
but then a man walked up, and offered his hand
a boy from galilee, a man from the stars
an unorthodox teacher, a prophet at large

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If they don't beleive in God they will beleive in any rediculous thing.

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It's really quite simple, I've seen thousands of UFO photos and have seen a UFO myself. There are no photos of God and I have not seen him (neither has anyone else outside of the supposed sightings in Bible to my knowledge).

Originally posted by Ashley_T
I myself am a Christian and have a strong belief in both God and Jesus Christ. Like most religious people, most of what I believe comes from the vast amount of faith I carry with me, and the faith I have in my beliefs.

One of the fundamental teachings within both the bible and modern day Christianity is Faith. The belief in something greater with the desire to learn more.

Throughout the world there is an ever increasing belief in aliens and UFO's visiting earth, and their possible intentions towards us. Though there is no conclusive evidence that they exist, there are a lot of signs pointing in that direction. Its amazing how so many people have but FAITH in this phenomenon. People read different interpretation and stories on the Internet written by other people. This adds to there belief in UFO's exist, and must be found. That faith is shared and is ever changing by everyone.

It saddens me to think that faith in our Father/God is decreasing. I am very open to finding the truth no matter what the subject, however I want people to think again when speaking against that which created us. Like the Alien phenomenon, people are always going to add their 2 cents. Don't let that move you from the truth.

Its interesting how many are turning away from Christian faith, yet moving towards another unknown faith with vast interest.

Well I'm sorry to inform you. Aliens do and have always existed. God has never and never will exist. But you can go on believing in your supreme being if u wish!!!

Faith is dying because the sheeple are waking up. Simple as that!!

Most of the believers in God know there are no Aliens and
where the UFO came from.
Its just that some do not.
This goes for the lies of the Relativists and the standard science.
The energy secrets are either used by the elite or buried for
all eternity.
Schools still mention the lies of the elite as passing remarks.
So unless you feel the need to do you own research on cleansed
documents and data and books, you know the problem.
You will not find a thing, but perhaps get a strong conviction.

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To answer your question, I think it's pretty obvious: "God" demands worship, the consequence of not worshiping him is eternal torture, and no true god would need or demand our loyalty. A belief in ET doesn't necessarily equate to "faith" since there are millions of credible witnesses to validate the reality of ET. God has no such witnesses, except for those who claim to talk to him daily and that he talks to them. When pressed, such "witnesses" will say it was "in their heart" that he spoke. That's the extent of their testimony. Also, ET doesn't demand worship, or anything close to our allegiance. They simply do their job here, whatever that might be, but I haven't seen any abduction reports that claim they were so egotistical that they needed us to worship them.

Extra Terrestrial life is almost absolutely certain.

No magical powers here.

Originally posted by Ashley_T
I myself am a Christian and have a strong belief in both God and Jesus Christ. Like most religious people, most of what I believe comes from the vast amount of faith I carry with me, and the faith I have in my beliefs.

One of the fundamental teachings within both the bible and modern day Christianity is Faith. The belief in something greater with the desire to learn more.

Throughout the world there is an ever increasing belief in aliens and UFO's visiting earth, and their possible intentions towards us. Though there is no conclusive evidence that they exist, there are a lot of signs pointing in that direction. Its amazing how so many people have but FAITH in this phenomenon. People read different interpretation and stories on the Internet written by other people. This adds to there belief in UFO's exist, and must be found. That faith is shared and is ever changing by everyone.

It saddens me to think that faith in our Father/God is decreasing. I am very open to finding the truth no matter what the subject, however I want people to think again when speaking against that which created us. Like the Alien phenomenon, people are always going to add their 2 cents. Don't let that move you from the truth.

Its interesting how many are turning away from Christian faith, yet moving towards another unknown faith with vast interest.

Stop Proselytizing!

People have Faith in Aliens/UFO's why not God?
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People have faith in God. But, have others lost their faith coming to their conclusion God was a Alien.

eg:
"Virgin Mary" conceives -- how?
"North Star" -- was it a Star?

Decoy

Faith=Blindness
Faith=Ignorance


What is faith? loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person
(well on that definition its fine)
But christians believe the words of a book that is well old and could have been tampered with by anyone that produces it.

Christians bash scientologists but the scientologists have faith in Ron Hubbard

I myself could not be lead so blindly

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[edit on 12-11-2009 by GW8UK]

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God don`t exist,nor does he/she reside on a little fluffy cloud.
I`ve never met him/her,I`ve never seen any evidence for him/her
as it`s all myth and superstition,instigated to control peoples minds,
just like yours!
Extraterrestrials do exist,as I`ve seen them and their vehicles,
even managed to photograph a couple of their craft over the years.
As someone said(I`m not sure who?)..........all religion is like a bunch
of little kids arguing over who has the best imaginary friend!