People have Faith in Aliens/UFO's why not God?

I think simonmagus hit the nail on the head there. At least we have something to go on regarding UFOs, new evidence coming out all the time, even if most of it is fake we are still learning from it, and there's many that haven't been debunked.

But following a book of unverified sources is blind faith and is harder to do unless you are prepared to... well, follow blindly. And in this day and age people are learning not to follow blindly and think for themselves instead (GWB anyone? )

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by Palasheea
Here's an example of an amazing supernatural miracle that occurred in Zeitun, Egypt. Here's a photo of what appeared there.

Like that is going to convince anyone.

A quick search found this.

"From April 1968 to May 1971, more than 100,000 people reported observing Virgin Mary apparitions above a Coptic Orthodox Church at Zeitoun, Egypt. Witnesses' descriptions varied between two main types: small bright, short-lived lights nicknamed "doves," and more enduring, less intense, diffuse patches of glowing light (Johnston 1980). Canadian neuropsychologist Michael Persinger of Laurentian University and his American colleague John Derr (1989) analyzed seismic activity in the region from 1958 to 1979, and found an unprecedented peak in earthquakes during 1969. They state that "The 'narrow' window of significant temporal relationship between luminous phenomena and earthquakes is within the classic time frame of more acceptable antecedents (e.g., microseismic activity) of imminent earthquake activity." It appears that the Marian observers were predisposed by religious background and social expectation to interpreting the light displays as related to the Virgin Mary."

Actual stills from the video.


Obviously something was there, religious people are so desperate to believe that they see anything as a sign.

Obviously the picture you posted is a hoax as proven by the blurry stills from the video.

That looks very much like ball lightning. if any one can find a colour picture of ball lightning turn it too black + white, it looks exactly the same.

Originally posted by Ashley_T
They relate because neither are conclusive...

We see images of lights flying in the sky and stories of abduction and this cause some of us to believe...

We hear about miracles or see images of crosses or the virgin Mary, and some of choose to believe as well....

It where we put our faith and why.



[edit on 9-3-2007 by Ashley_T]

ArMap, so for you, the existence of Jesus Christ is non-conclusive?
And regardless if you think the evidence out there is conclusive or not in regard to UFO's and ET's, (but it's my guess that it's conclusive enough for you to start up this thread on this topic) is it your belief that such phenomena is of the devil?
Is this why you see a parallel running between the topic of faith in God and the topic of UFO's, ET's, alien contact experiences and so on in that one represent the GOOD (faith in God) --
and the other represents EVIL i.e. UFO's and ET's are manifestations of Satan? Or, "they" are on his side and not God/Jesus?

[edit on 10-3-2007 by Ashley_T]

To Palasheea

I have believed in the UFO's for years. Before becoming A Christian and true believer of Christ, I would always try to research as much as possible. The idea that aliens are Satan's creation is possible, but I don't know if I fully think that as of yet.

Say you take somebody who is not a Christian nor has ever seen a UFO.

Show them a photo (or video) of the Virgin Mary appearing on the side of a building.

You then show them a video of a light in the sky believed to be a UFO.

The original thought I had was that the person would most likely but their faith in the UFO as being an extraterrestrial space craft as oppose to the image of the Virgin Mary being a sign from GOD.

Originally posted by ozmorphus
Ashley, I am a Christian also and I believe most "aliens" are really demons toying with us and trying to move us away from God.

Eventually the rapture will happen and millions of Christians worldwide will disappear in the "twinkling of an eye". Those left behind will be wondering what happened and then all of a sudden, for those who dont want to believe in the rapture or God, they will state aliens took them. I wouldn't even be surprised if world governments start dumping UFO info on the public then in order to show them that the "aliens" took their loved ones. There will be some who will believe this lie because the demons, who are pretending to be aliens now, would have fulfilled their mission into taking away the true reason why Christians disappeared.
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Note: Left out last paragraph to shorten above quote to save space.


Ozmorphus, just want to say that even if I do not agree with you on why you think UFO's and aliens are demons, I still honor and respect your viewpoint on this. Thanks for coming forward and saying straight out what your opinions on UFO's are. I admire your honesty on this.

Most people with your viewpoint on this phenomenon, rarely come out and say it, right off the bat, that they think such phenomena is of the devil in order to avoid ridicule, at least here in ATS, because a good many members are of the Nuts and Bolts (hard science) faction of the UFO community. Many of whom, question the existence of the God of the Torah or the Christian Bible.

So for reasons stated above, most people who think such phenomena is satanic, such as yourself, instead choose to pose as informed skeptics of these phenomena on forums like this where in fact, they are anything but that in that they definitely do believe that UFO's and Aliens are out there, but that such things are demons working for Satan and not things from outer space. By aligning themselves with those James Randi type UFO/ET skeptics in these forum's, even though they are only hiding under the guise of skepticism, at least they can accomplish their objectives which is to diminish the UFO phenomenon (as real UFO skeptics seek to do) because by doing so, they believe that they are doing the work of Jesus. It's sort of a Machiavellian approach to this issue but nevertheless, at least in such believers view, an honorable one as the end result serves God -- at least from their way of thinking.

I have faith in God and Aliens. Although not the Christian god...

Besides. Isnt it impossible for God to be anything but an Alien to us. Seriously. He can't be a human so what other option is left?

God = Alien. (think about that in other than an ET flying saucer mindset)

Originally posted by Ashley_T
To Palasheea

I have believed in the UFO's for years. Before becoming A Christian and true believer of Christ, I would always try to research as much as possible. The idea that aliens are Satan's creation is possible, but I don't know if I fully think that as of yet.

Say you take somebody who is not a Christian nor has ever seen a UFO.

Show them a photo (or video) of the Virgin Mary appearing on the side of a building.

You then show them a video of a light in the sky believed to be a UFO.

The original thought I had was that the person would most likely but their faith in the UFO as being an extraterrestrial space craft as oppose to the image of the Virgin Mary being a sign from GOD.

That's interesting, but as for myself, at least based on what I've seen so far, the vast majority of those who would scoff at say... at a marian apparition, would also scoff at a sighting of a UFO simply because both phenomenon's are too outside of their frame of reference. They psychologically go into 'denial-mode' because they are not emotionally and/or intellectually equipped to handle such information inputs.

This is why I think it's useless to try to convince such people that they did in fact actually see something that can't be explained through those normal mainstream channels as presented to us by science because they've already grossly distorted that information input where they are convinced that what they saw was something completely mundane. They truly believe this. It's a form of perception distortion.

It's got to do with the way their brains are wired more than anything else. Many people out there go into denial for all sorts of things and not just when it comes to confronting extraordinary phenomena face to face.

One example of denial are those denials by people who are alcoholic's who deny that they do have a serious drinking problem. So instead of recognizing this, they go into denial and come up with ridiculous and absurd reasons to explain why they drink where they truly believe that they do not even have this problem. Denial comes in all shapes and sizes. Shifting into denial-mode is a common psychological reaction when one is faced with things they, for one reason or another, are not able to mentally process because they simply are not capable of doing so on their own. They simply are not mentally equipped to 'handle' such information. When people rationalize things to the extreme like this, compassion and understanding are the order of the day where with proper intervention, some are able to see past their denials and from there begin to see things as they really are but this take a lot of time and patience.







[edit on 10-3-2007 by Palasheea]

Religeon is a joke.
Nearly every single religeon out there contradicts each other.
Also how come one day some one decided that there is just one god?
What happend to the Greek gods? Oh yeah it was easier to believe if there is just one almighty being LOL.

Well actually my self if god/s exist they are just EBE's, think about it, thousands of years ago people came from the stars. They could do things we had no understanding of. So we worshipped them as gods, or they took advantage of us.
Lets say we had a time machine and we could go back a thousand years, and lets say we took a torch with us, it is highly likely that the people would worship/be amazed at what you could do because they have no understanding of it.

Anyway i believe that we were just "plonked" on this planet by EBE's.
Also there is over whelming amounts of evidence that points out that earth has bee visited by EBE's for thousands of years- Google is your friend

Originally posted by xEphon
I have faith in God and Aliens. Although not the Christian god...

Besides. Isnt it impossible for God to be anything but an Alien to us. Seriously. He can't be a human so what other option is left?

God = Alien. (think about that in other than an ET flying saucer mindset)

Yes, a lot members here seem to have this viewpoint too (God=Alien). And it's by no means a stretch to consider this point of view. This is why the topic of this thread is a very productive and informative one because it's allowing us to honestly share our thoughts on rather or not these phenomena are somehow connected to some kind of cosmic intelligence out there. Be it God or Aliens from other galaxies... or demons, everyone's got their own take on things and it's interesting reading what other members thoughts on this topic are.

[edit on 10-3-2007 by Palasheea]

Originally posted by SKUNK2
Religeon is a joke.
Nearly every single religeon out there contradicts each other.
Also how come one day some one decided that there is just one god?
What happend to the Greek gods? Oh yeah it was easier to believe if there is just one almighty being LOL.

Well actually my self if god/s exist they are just EBE's, think about it, thousands of years ago people came from the stars. They could do things we had no understanding of. So we worshipped them as gods, or they took advantage of us.
Lets say we had a time machine and we could go back a thousand years, and lets say we took a torch with us, it is highly likely that the people would worship/be amazed at what you could do because they have no understanding of it.

Anyway i believe that we were just "plonked" on this planet by EBE's.
Also there is over whelming amounts of evidence that points out that earth has bee visited by EBE's for thousands of years- Google is your friend

I agree Skunk. I think a lot of what you are saying is not outside the realm of possibities. There are just too many gaping holes in those evolution theories presented by our scientists now to think that there's not more to all of this. So for this reason, I'm leaning toward the Creationist perspective but only in regards to the notion that there must have been some outside intervention from somewhere to get things up and running here on the planet Earth. The who,what's and where's of that intervention are still up in the air (pun intended)... Will we ever find out? I think we will and I also think it may be sometime soon.

Originally posted by SKUNK2
That looks very much like ball lightning. if any one can find a colour picture of ball lightning turn it too black + white, it looks exactly the same.

Exactly, all these idiots see that and immediately think its some sign of god. The zealots then fake a picture and then perpetuate a myth that it was the virgin mary and the proof is that a million people saw it.

Its like the same people that see something in the sky and think its proof of aliens rather than trying to rule out planets, planes, satellites etc. They just dont think rationally.

People are stupid, aren't they?

I am not a Christian but i went to church everyday and night when i was in boarding school~ and I felt so peacful when i was in Church.

My family and I belief in Buddhism. I turst becoz it has proved to me. Every year i will ask buddhism's master about my coming year prediction. He will not tell me everything but at least tell me a little bit of hints what is good to do and what is better not to do~ eg. few years ago~ a master just told me watch out on the road. thats all. at that moment, I was thinking i MUST not cross the road in red light~ that year October,(ten months later) i drove and i got car crushed.

I have read a bit about Philosophy of Buddhism, Zen and stars. they all related together. they are too close to science. it might be the point I have to believe.


I also believe UFO is out there, I have seen 5 times so far~ All picture still in my mind~~ but not sure about Alien??

Originally posted by roisu
I am not a Christian but i went to church everyday and night when i was in boarding school~ and I felt so peacful when i was in Church.

My family and I belief in Buddhism. I turst becoz it has proved to me. Every year i will ask buddhism's master about my coming year prediction. He will not tell me everything but at least tell me a little bit of hints what is good to do and what is better not to do~ eg. few years ago~ a master just told me watch out on the road. thats all. at that moment, I was thinking i MUST not cross the road in red light~ that year October,(ten months later) i drove and i got car crushed.

I have read a bit about Philosophy of Buddhism, Zen and stars. they all related together. they are too close to science. it might be the point I have to believe.


I also believe UFO is out there, I have seen 5 times so far~ All picture still in my mind~~ but not sure about Alien??

You do know right that if you hear voices in your head there is like a 99% chance you have a mental illness, i don't mean to offend you but it's true.

Ashley_T

Faith is the key word here. Everyday, I'm in thought at looking at our Worlds events.... I fear Man more then I do in making a mistake in either beliefs. I harbor both thought's, with hopes that whatever makes us Stop killing each other will prove that both exist.

My interest is of this, We sit on a piece of Rock that provides us with life!
We fail to take care of it for a short time goal. What is the point in trying to convince everyone with a Brain, that regardless of each of these interests, we will all go to the way side... Like Dust into the Wind. I'm uneasy with our Future.

Let's get on with the effort of living, and give a Heart for those that are trying, it's all for us to Share in our short stay here on Earth.

We waste more then we give.

Thanks for Sharing Ashley!!!

Jessemole

I agree Flyer to the point all prosaic possibilities must be investigated first -- good point.
I disagree with your statement:
"Exactly, all these idiots see that and immediately think its some sign of god".
I'm not offended by that statement, just a little pissed.

Dallas

Dallas,

I completely believe in UFO's . i don't think people who see UFO's should consider the lights to be God's miracles.

Originally posted by Ashley_T
I completely believe in UFO's . i don't think people who see UFO's should consider the lights to be God's miracles.

I don't think many of them do. I think that you are combining two categories of belief systems which is in turn making it seem to you that these people believe UFOs are 'God oriented'.

Many people who believe in UFOs also believe in God. Some of the people who you are talking about (which is a vast minority) DO believe that aliens are some deity - but again - MOST do not.

The only church / religious group(s) that I know of whom worship UFOs / Aliens are: Heavens Gate (defunct for obvious reasons), Scientology, and Raliens.

These groups are generally seen as 'cult like'.

I guess what I am trying to express is: Just because you believe in UFOs and Space Aliens does not mean you do not believe in a God - it just means you believe in life beyond earth.

There is no place in the bible or any other religious document that states UFOs or Aliens are not real. As a matter of fact - the Vatican itself says UFOs should be investigated (somewhere... I read about it a long time ago), and that perhaps life could exist among the stars...

So to answer your question "People have Faith in Aliens/UFO's why not God?" I would have to say: its two very different forms of belief - one deals with a deity and the other with scientific assertions that life could exist beyond earth. For the people who combine the two - its a whole different story and usually scoffed on by many researchers.

PS, I think the difference between a religion believer and a UFO believer is that to the former one it is the faith or belief itself that counts (subjective) while to the latter one the evidence is more of their concern(objective).
SO acturally, they think in differrent ways.