Jews in Wall Street - Rude Awakening For Me

Originally posted by zeropointtruth
Please tell me if I am wrong.

You are wrong.

I would leave it at that, but I'm not allowed to post just one line, so I'll add that I can't help but wonder if you had an agenda for posting this. You claim not to be anti-Jewish, but my goodness, it sure seems like you are.

I am a newbie and I apologized already for how I wrote my thoughts. I should have been more careful and sensitive. I overestimated the folks at ATS and stupidly thought that we try to understand the OP's perspective (however horrible they may express themselves) but I was wrong.

Having said that, I responded in defense that I make 40 times more than ONE poster when someone said I am unsuccessful and blaming the jews for my ability to ascend. That is not true. I actually manage one of the difficult people who happens to be jewish. I consider myself successful, happy with an ascending career path. I never said jews have prevented me from ascending. Like I said, I have plenty of jewish friends. I grew up in a jewish neighborhood. I can say a bar mitzvah "bar hue et adonai ha movah rah..." This is NOT meant to bash the jewish people.

I simply stated that I naively never noticed a special relationship that exists between jewish people - a very strong support network. This is not necessarily related to business. One of my jewish friends goes to an all jewish gathering for singles. How great is that? Do they support eachother in other ways? Absolutely. Not every jew does it but the majority seem to have a different smarter way of thinking - one that I envy and respect. I tell fellow non-jewish friends that I wish we could have better cooperation and support. I believe the japanese people have this advantage too. But for the rest, we are busy trying to screw eachother as opposed to benefiting from an association.

So please relax people. I apologized already for how my post was conveyed. At the same time, take a deep breath and try to hear what I was intending to say. Forget my grammar and my non-political correct statements. My intention was to expose a powerful network on wall street that jews exhibit. I find it quite unique to this specific group only. I admire it. it is analogous to those on ATS. We are busy fighting eachother and attacking eachother. In reality, we have the same cause which is to understand the truth. I wish we could apply the same jewish thinking to ATS. If we did, this could be a supportive not attacking group in which people become enlightened not humiliated from making another post ever again.

Originally posted by zeropointtruth
We are busy fighting eachother and attacking eachother. In reality, we have the same cause which is to understand the truth.

Amen to that. Don't let the subsequent chaos upset you. some of us use humor as a method of lightening up an ugly situation. We did so, not in response to your post but, rather, to another member posting about the jew police. And some of us attempt to be armchair psychiatrists and we can dig into comments that probably should be left alone.

All is good on my end zeropoint. don't let this thread taint your image of the site.

Crakeur

What truth are you looking for pal ? seems to me that you wont debate serious issues like the control of the media and who its owners are and what their agend is. Seems to me any topic no matter what if there is the possiblity that some one of Jewish ethencity is involved the subject imediately becomes tabboo and anyone enquiring is labelled an Anti-Semite.

I want to impress the concept of Anti-Anglo, as its pretty obvious we don't enjoy the same rights as minorities anymore and have become the marginalized group. I will take it further and write a book and call it the Terrah and the precipe of it would be all other races are inferior and can be used as cattle.

Then I would use our considerable wealth to ensure no other racial group could break into our cliche, then take over all the media groups so we could proffess our side of the story. Anyone in opposition or challenges our flavour will be called an Anti-Anglo and will never find work again in our Countries ever again. We will start up groups like Aapau ( Anglos against people agains us ) who will persue leaders of our outspoken critics and create new laws to jail them without fair trials....then anyone who actually challenges our existance we will call a conspiracy theorist and label them crackpots .

I'm sorry mazzroth, please show me where in the torah it says that non-jews are to be treated as cattle.

jews are like everyone else. some are tolerant of others, some are not. In my opinion, the group with the largest percentage of people who are less tolerant to others is actually not jews but, rather, christians. might be because they are simply way more outspoken about their distaste for jews or blacks or whatever the hate du jour might be.

it is always better to try and solve a problem or work around it than to simply point fingers and blame someone else (whether they are to blame or not).

you idiots are still going on about this? he IS NOT anti semetic. i just joined ATS, and it looks like I am going to leave it soon as well. This is just stupid. This guy came out to talk about a touchy subject, stating he is not a racist.
goodbye morons. i am done with this crap, back to lurking.

Crakeur

Read these statistics mate and tell me what you think ok.

www.ifamericansknew.org...

I would like an honest comment and not some sarcastic dribble.

Originally posted by mazzroth
Crakeur

Read these statistics mate and tell me what you think ok.

www.ifamericansknew.org...

I would like an honest comment and not some sarcastic dribble.

For starters, let me state that I don't necessarily agree with all the tactics used in the Israel/Palestine conflict and I don't think either side behaves well.


That said, Israel doesn't hide in schools and hospitals, they don't hide amongst housing so as to bring more damage to the public etc.
The palestinian way of waging their war is one that draws the public into the fight. Israel has little choice but to go after the targets, even if they are in the midst of civilian areas.

They also tend to show little mercy when sometimes a little mercy is called for. I once had the opportunity to attend a private dinner with Ariel Sharon in NYC. There were about 30 or so people at the dinner and Sharon sat and ate dinner with everyone and then he started talking about the conflict and what I got out of it was that he basically felt that the palestinian fighters behaved like animals based on the tactics mentioned above and that they should, therefore, be treated as such. It was not a pleasant talk and my wife and I were not alone in the thinking that the road to peace would need a more open minded thinker.

Then the fat man hit on my wife.

Mazzroth, take a peek at the numbers in Iraq. Similar type situation. They operate in public, dress in civillian clothes etc. You're going to cause far more collateral damage that way and they want that. In their eyes they see it as bringing more eyes and more help to their cause.

It doesn't work, which is clear.

Originally posted by Crakeur


Then the fat man hit on my wife.

LOL What a non-animalistic gentleman.

Originally posted by phi_man

Originally posted by Crakeur

Then the fat man hit on my wife.

LOL What a non-animalistic gentleman.

somewhere we have pictures of him ogling her as she hands him a piece of cake.

It was hysterical.

Is she hot?

Can I see

Ummm Cake

of course she's a looker. what kind of guy would say "no, my wife's a real pig"


personally, I think sharon was more interested in the cake. In the photo he has one hand on her shoulder, one hand on the plate of cake and he's facing her but his eyes, oh his eyes are on the cake.

So the conspiracy is in the cake, yes yes I knew it all along.

It was the cake that did yes- of course!! I should have known. He was allergic to peanuts and the baker who happened to be his old schoolmate made sure that traces of the nuts were used in the receipe.

Oh Magoo you've done it again

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Originally posted by corsig

Originally posted by carslake

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How can we square this long record of familial and ethnic nepotism with the public insistence of Jews on equal opportunity and merit? While most would surely point to the long Jewish tradition of social idealism, a more practical reason may be found in the disproportionate benefit Jews derive from a meritocratic system.

The Jewish Daily

And do you agree that this kind of partisan attitude is part of the reasoning(if you can call it that) for the persecution of the Jews, I've read how the Nazi's used this as justification for their persecution.

I wouldn't go so far to say that the Nazi's had any justification to kill 6 million people for any reason though.

No there can never be any justification for the killing of 6 million people. That doesn't stop ideologies(Nazi's) using this kind of sectarianism as a way to create consent for persecution though.

I think zeropointtruth's observation is valid. And in truth we have to admit 'ethnic nepotism' does exist in many cultures. I'm just surprised that people here aren't willing to see it. I can understand Jewish people's reluctance to admit that networking in this manner promotes cultural inequity. As the admission of this lends a cause to the reinforcing of cultural stereotypes and ensuing racist mentalities.


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nobody denies that there is a sense of nepotism with all groups. if there are two totally equal people for the same job, the only difference being one is more "like you" than the other, odds are you will take that person.

unless the other person has a great set of legs.

(I'm kidding)

i read all 6 pages and have to say it was quite one sided. But i am impressed with the power and or leverage that the jewish culture has gathered

The fact that jewish ownership represents three of the largest television networks and film studios as well as the biggest newspaper seems like quite an accomplishment and one worthy of discussion. The only fundamental reason i can think of that many people of jewish culture do not like the topic to be brought up is that their is some sort of trauma that rings a bell in the mind which associates being focused on as a group as something that was at one time very threatening.

but mazzorth's post was thought provoking and there exists a very powerful self serving system, people can make jokes and try to reduce the conversation to nonsense but I think any time a certain race or a certain group can ascend to a very dominant position wether it is in sport or industry that it is worthy of discussion and some latitude must be given to keep a conversation.

I appreciated the comment that a poster made concerning the opinion or personal account of how the parents make sure education is strongly instilled in a child and often i think a healthy sense of competitive spirit would be invoked. But there has to be more , dare i bring up books like the bell curve without being name called. Is it possible some people's of a certain culture are "smarter"? could i be considered a decent human being and comment that some ethnicity's are more athletic? could the tactic of giving one of your own a job be some how perfected by certain cultures which also give broad use to a word implied to define a racist when simple critque is being given?

Could a civilized serious thread be constructed which looks at the phenomena in a way in which critical thought is praised and latitude is given ( and name calling isn't)


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reply to post by Crakeur

But, don't some Jewish people use the term Goy or goyim when describing gentiles??
I've heard it used before.
I've even been to a bah mitzvah in Fla. when I was young. No denigration from anyone.
But, aren't there different 'sects' of judaism?
There are differences between the Talmud and the Torah.

Let me say this again.



Don't be concerned. I'm not laughing at you but at the situation.

I was born and raised Mormon although I switched to something else. My Business Partner is a Jew. Neither one of us give a rats behind what the Faith is of who we conduct business with. That is why this struck me so odd. Being from a Faith that is routinely lied about and totally misunderstood I have an affinity with another Faith that is also a victim of clichés.

When you get an idea in your head it can greatly alter perception. It happens to me all the time and like others I have to actively suppress those thoughts and stick with what is the real truth. Perhaps your perceptions are showing in your body language and you are making people uncomfortable?

Originally posted by Crakeur
I'm sorry mazzroth, please show me where in the torah it says that non-jews are to be treated as cattle.

I think he means the Talmud, if not then I'll name it, and it says a great deal of other interesting things about the treatment of gentiles. zeropointtruth I think you'll find a pretty decent mix of opinions here at ATS on the subject, it gets pretty heated but this is one of a few sites that doesn't seem to shy away from the issue, and I have a great deal of respect for this site because of that. I've got one on the Kosher Racket you might find of interest, and I'm glad you put it in the Secret Societies section, it always draws the squares.

Crakeur, you were right, I wouldn't bring up Money or Media ownership in their defense, some of us really do our homework you know.

oops. mispost. sorry.

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