What are the most elite special forces?

Japans Self Defense Forces all the way.

In my Opinion, the Best special forces unit is Airforce Pararescue. They may not have the hardcore crap that Delta or Force Recon or whoever has, but They deserve the most respect because they do their job every day knowing that their only responibility is to save the live of their target, not kill them. If people end up getting killed in the proccess, so-be-it. They are willing do a HALO Jump into the middle of enemy territory and risk their entire team to save as little as the life of one pilot.

They train at all the same hardcore schools, like SERE as the other guys, but they also have to learn how to do the work of a doctor in the middle of a combat zone.

No offence, but I think JTF-2 is the best, cause Im from Canada lol. But honestly, all spec-ops teams are the best at what they do, from the U.S. Delta Force, Navy SEALs, GSG-9 just to name a few. Just being selected to join the ranks of these shadow warriors is an honour.

SAS

simple as that.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
I don't read Clancy much anymore, is he still farming out all his novels under his name? His first stuff was great, but when he started relabeling all his work it sort of went downhill.

I dont know, only book of his I read was R6 and that was like 10 years ago, only book Ive ever read I think all I know is that a bunch of action games keep coming out under his name

Hey Forestfire,

You are right. The AF Paramedical rescue are the most respected SF group. My sister is engaged to a career one. i can tell you for a fact that SEALs, Delta, Army and Marine SF guys will always clear room at a crowded mess table for a Paramedical guy.

Most branches hate all other branches but the AF paramedical rescue guys can go anywhere and not have to worry about anybody starting stuff with them, they are that well liked.

Also, a marine gunny seargent is also somebody that even hardened SF guys don't mess with. you usually don't become a gunny seargent cause you're a woosie.

I personally like, maybe because I have friends who are in this community, the Marine SF Force 1st Recon. They are americas Storm Troopers and Shock Troops. They have almost all the same training and do cross train with the SEALs but have the attitude of young marines.

They were used to out shoot ambushers as the tip of the spear and were the northern most US military unit during the Iraqi War. They can shoot their way out of most messes, have a low casualty rate, and are respected by most other SF groups too.

They are basically what would happen if the Army Rangers were made up totally from hardened best of the best marines, with even more training to operate alone in small units away from any help or as part of a ranager sized group to mow over their opposition and take airfields and stuff.

Although they prefer hop and pops & sneek and peeks as opposed to shoot n loot tactics. Although they are payed for their results not thier methods andthey are marines after all so they'll do what ever it takes to kick ass in the name of the american people.

The most elite special forces are the most experienced at the time. Period.
Combat hardened veterans is what 'Elite' means.


[edit on 9-3-2007 by Smack]

1.SAS
2.SBS
3. OZ SAS
4.DELTA
5.NAVY SEALS

I say Z-Force, operation Jaywick is my favourite.

Originally posted by Amazon Lights
Me and my friend were talking and he told me that there are some guys 'called nuclear dudes' not the real name but thats what he said. I told him it was Delta force. Which is the most elite one out there? The ones with the invisible suits like predator..

Each Special operations forces have a different role to play. Each one fills a niche. Each group can be considered as the best at the role they were designed for. Each community respects the other for their accomplishments. They do not get into pissing contest with each other over who is the best, so why should you?

If you really want to find out what neat gear they get to use, go to your recruiter and sign up. Until you do that quit guessing/speculating on this stuff. It shows how much you dont know.

I'm telling you guys the most secret and hardcorest special forces of all time are GSS-129 DET. GreySock. Trust me. you guys have never heard of them because you need super majestic clearence to get info on them. It's True.

The best of the best? A Cavscout, damnit!

We have to "master" more combat and specialized skills than anyone in the US military. Just read the link below. We are " flexible, intelligent, resourceful, courageous, and crave danger." You know, like Chuck and Rambo! I heard a nasty rumor that Rambo wanted to be a scout didn’t have a high enough GT score.

And, we are just so damn good looking!

I have heard that even the devil himself will stand at attention when he sees a cavscout. Good thing for him we don’t go to hell like the infantry and marine (see Fiddler’s Green below.)

To be a Cavalry Scout is to be the commander’s eyes and ears of the battlefield. To do this requires a unique soldier. He must be flexible, intelligent, resourceful, courageous, and crave danger to do the unique job of Scouting. Their units are tightly woven groups, able to depend on one another at any time, irrelevant of rank, which is critical to their survival. They take great pride in both their history and traditions. They must still earn their spurs and it is not an uncommon site to see the occasional black Stetson and saber worn for certain events and occasions.

The number of common and specialized skills that they are required to know, even at the lowest rank, outnumbers any other job on the battlefield. The job of gaining and maintaining contact with the enemy without being spotted, mounted or dismounted, and reporting all this intelligence to the commander so he can mass his forces to defeat them requires this tremendous amount of knowledge.

Because the Cavalry Scout is such an invaluable asset on the battlefield, he is not usually used in the traditional combat role. He fights as a last resort and rarely as a combat multiplier, but has a tremendous amount of combat resources available to him to insure his survivability. It is not unusual to see a young Cavalry Scout coordinating both direct and indirect fires to decisively engage and destroy the enemy because he is the one with the eyes on the target. The term " Recon** out front " exemplifies the dangerous job and continuous threat of exposure to the enemy while working on or behind enemy lines.

CAVSCOUT

FIDDLER'S GREEN

Halfway down the trail to hell
In a shady meadow green,
Are the souls of all dead troopers camped
Near a good old-time canteen
And this eternal resting place
Is known as Fiddler's Green.
Marching past, straight through to hell,
The infantry are seen,
Accompanied by the Engineers,
Artillery and Marine,
For none but the shades of Cavalrymen
Dismount at Fiddlers' Green.
Though some go curving down the trail
To seek a warmer scene,
No trooper ever gets to Hell
Ere he's emptied his canteen,
And so rides back to drink again
With friends at Fiddlers' Green.
And so when man and horse go down
Beneath a saber keen,
Or in a roaring charge or fierce melee
You stop a bullet clean,
And the hostiles come to get your scalp,
Just empty your canteen,
And put your pistol to your head
And go to Fiddlers' Green.

Originally posted by cavscout


"masters" of " flexiblity"

That is all I got out of that post. So just what kind of "elite" are cavscouts.

Hooyah

Originally posted by ultralo1

Originally posted by cavscout


"masters" of " flexiblity"

That is all I got out of that post. So just what kind of "elite" are cavscouts.

Hooyah

If you were in the same room as me, id spur you in the eye for that!

on another note, here is the story of how a couple of cavscout SCARED AWAY AN ENTIRE ISLAND OF GERMANS SOLDIERS WHILE ARMED WITH ONLY A KNIFE ON D-DAY!
And, while doin seal type stuff!

www.cavhooah.com...

At 0430 Hours 6 June 1944, elements of Troop A, 4th Squadron and Troop B, 24th Squadron landed on the St. Marcoufs. Sgt. Harvey S. Olson and Private Thomas C. Killeran of Troop A, Sergeant John W. Zanders and
Corporal Melvin F. Kenzie of Troop B, each armed with only a knife, swam ashore to mark the beaches for the
landing craft. These four troopers became the first American soldiers to land on French soil that day. As the other troopers charged from the landing crafts, only a deathly silence greeted them. The islands had been evacuated.

Good thing those cavscouts screwed up and were seen or there would have been more bloodshed on D-DAY then there was.

[edit on 13-3-2007 by cavscout]

If you were in the same room as me, id spur you in the eye for that!

How did I know some cavscout would want to use spurs on me??

Yeah that sounds a little kinky. Scouts wear spurs? Look what you dress like and do on the weekends are your business. Ewwwww.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
Scouts wear spurs?

Yes, CAVALRY Scouts wear spurs. When we travel to distant, ancient cultures and kill people, they even give us our "golden spurs." Mine are made from actual melted down Iraqi artillery shell brass. I was a gunner on a hummer, standing up, so when my driver was bad I would spur him on the shoulder (yes, I wore them in Iraq.) That or I would just kick him in the back of the head.

You should have seen me, spurs all a jingling and janglin down the street in Sadr City, Stetson with cavalry cord on my head, cigar hanging out of my mouth. Man I was so freakin cool!



You know, one of those skill tasks that a cavacout must have is the ability to successfully hijack any thread or conversation about SF crybabies!




[edit on 13-3-2007 by cavscout]

Still sounds kinky. Although, I'd like to kick my choufer in the back of the head sometimes. He takes the turns too fast and I sometimes spill my Crown Royal. Not cool.

Seriously tell us more about what the Calvery scouts do. I know you gave a brief description and I'm too lazy to go ask mr. google. Are you guys similar to Marine Recon Scouts?

IMHO I think that 1st SFOD-D is probably one of the best, simply because they are "extra special forces".

If you want to be 1st SFOD-D, first you have to join the regular army.
If you want to be 1st SFOD-D, you have to make green beret or ranger (already extremely highly trained soldiers)
Finally if you want to be 1st SFOD-D, you have to be hand selected from the 75th Ranger regiment or the Green Berets. 1st SFOD-D only consists of a thousand people, of which only about 250 are involved in combat missions.

You have to be hand selected from a group of highly trained soldiers who were already selected from a group of well trained soldiers.

Conclusion:
1st SFOD-D consists of the 250 most highly trained soldiers in the entire US army.


The russian Spetsnaz is probably up there too simply because of the way they train. If you do something wrong they dont call you "you unorginized pile of civillian (blank)" they hit you in the face with the butt of an AK-47 and tell you that if you dont get up the next shot will be somewhere where it hurts a LOT more.


[edit on 14-3-2007 by BlackWidow23]

Originally posted by BlackWidow23

If you want to be 1st SFOD-D, first you have to join the regular army.
If you want to be 1st SFOD-D, you have to make green beret or ranger (already extremely highly trained soldiers)
Finally if you want to be 1st SFOD-D, you have to be hand selected from the 75th Ranger regiment or the Green Berets. 1st SFOD-D only consists of a thousand people, of which only about 250 are involved in combat missions.

You have to be hand selected from a group of highly trained soldiers who were already selected from a group of well trained soldiers.


[edit on 14-3-2007 by BlackWidow23]

Actually, there's no prerequisite to be Ranger or SF in order to join. You must be E5 or higher, male, have nothing derogatory in your record, have a GT score of 110, pass the PT/Swim test, security clearance(I'm not sure if you have to have an interim clearance before starting or just be able to have one due to no derogatory background info), and pass the SFOD-D selection. If one is selected, they then go to the operator trainer's course. Once in Delta, at some point(3yrs if memory serves me), you have to go through the SFQC(the 18 series MOS i.e. Special Forces) or 11 series(infantry) for career development reasons since you're still maintaining your old MOS while in Delta.

While the exact figures for manning isn't known, the basic structure for Delta is 3 Squadrons of operators, and Delta support.