Mideast War - Isreal Is Getting Ready

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Murphs greetings,

Excuse my ignorance what is HR?

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That is not accurate, I already pointed out on this thread here regarding this issue (HR issues).

This is a joke right? or are you using words you just don't understand?

I can answer you in your own words - You prove to me that they are NOT developing nuclear weapons. Too many coutries, even those neutral in the political arena have voiced concern over a nuclear Iran.

Ok how on earth do you prove a negative???

It is like taking someone to court and accuring them that they are a murderer? when they say no give evidence then the jugde goes:
I can answer you in your own words -- you prove to me that you are NOT a murderer!!!
thanks for the laoughs

I myself had plenty of Iranian friends (being that I am of Iranian ancestry), hell I can even understand Persian. Iranians are educated people but then again these Iranians are the same people who left Iran when Iran became an Islamic state.

What? the literacy rate inside Iran is more than 90% and not all the people left after the reveloution. You are right a lot left but a lot more stayed!

Like I said, I am of Iranian ancestry so I do know of Iran's great civilization. Guess what, I am also of Afghani and Uzbeki ancestry so you do not need to lecture me.
But when Iran pays and trains people to kill children on a bus for the sole purpose of their being Jewish (which is exactly what Islamic Jihad, Hamas and Hezbullah does) then as I said Israel has every right to kick their peice of Shiite ass to Allah-land.

If you knew a little bit about Iranian history, you knew that Iranians are Persians first and then Muslims second.


Lots of those traits you are showing find their roots in old/ancient Arab culture which has nothing to do with majority of Iranians.

Persians were the first to declare the universal humans rights act. Their culture was based on mutual respect and understanding and equality for all the humans being regardless of sex, race or religion. This is the sort of state we achived 2500 years ago and yes we are working to getting to that again, h owever I doubt it that it can be achived by getting bombed!




Can you please stick to defending Israel and US? I think you are doing a great job and please never ever try to defend Iran or anything remotely attached to Iran.

Thanks

Chatori Zurvan,

I am individual who is eager to learn. I sat through the 7 clips and I watched and listened. It basically taught me nothing new.

The French were making a huge wad of cash off the Iraqis during the 80s. So were the Germans and most probably the Russians. But the US was to blame???

International politics is dirty. The US, as the French official described it, you need to choose between the terrible and the horrible. Why? because you need a steady supply of oil to run a nation and an economy in a stable fashion. If the middle east had no oil, the region would be regarded in a similar fashion as Africa is regarded (or disregarded).

My sympathy goes out to the Shiites who were not capable of creating an organized governing body to overthrow Saddam and, of course, the civilians who died as part of the effects of the Embargo.

The primary culprits of the devastation of the embargo is primarily Saddam's regime and not the US. Blaming the US for the suffering of the embargo is asinine since it was Saddam who let his people suffer while he lived lavishly and even provided funds for Palestinian suicide bombers and terrorist organizations.

US involvement in darker and shadier aspects of the war is mere speculation.

Your reference to Saddams coop backed by the US is again mere speculation. Saddam replaced his ailing predecessor. Saddam was the most powerful man in Iraq. Their is no indication the the US stood behind him. Saddam began secularizing Iraq and that ticked off the shiites in the country. Moreover Saddam kicked out Khomeini during his flee from Iran years earlier. Iran and Iraq were far from being on peaceful terms. The US and the USSR wanted Iran wiped and Saddam was happy to oblige.
You make it sound like Saddam was a CIA operative. Saddam did what he did for his own perceived good.

Zurvan,
Still for the life of me I cannot understand what

I for don't hate Israel, I hate their HR regimes.

means.

When the little red light lights in most western countries with regards to Iran's 'peaceful' Nuclear plan - I think that there is concern that should be addressed. A nuclear Iran is a danger to everyone. Iran is considered by many Arabs to be 'Magnun' (look it up) or in Persian 'devona' (I think you understand me.therefore I do not think that I need to prove anything much like the tax services come to audit you every once in a while you need to prove you are not a crook.

What? the literacy rate inside Iran is more than 90% and not all the people left after the reveloution. You are right a lot left but a lot more stayed!

I know that Persians are an intelligent nation. They scored very high in international high school tests (I think the highest - and I am assuming no foul play), but still, 4 million refugees left Iran!!! Their treatment of the Jews is deplorable - The only reason there are so many Jews there is that they are not allowed to leave!!!

If you knew a little bit about Iranian history, you knew that Iranians are Persians first and then Muslims second.

what this has to do with anything I do not know.

Persians were the first to declare the universal humans rights act. Their culture was based on mutual respect and understanding and equality for all the humans being regardless of sex, race or religion. This is the sort of state we achieved 2500 years ago and yes we are working to getting to that again, however I doubt it that it can be achieved by getting bombed!

The Persians you are referring to are not the same nation as the Iranians of today. The great scholars and scientists have become extremists who choose to finance terrorists in Arab states fighting Israel rather than saving their tattered economy. What's the inflation rate there today???? What about unemployment???

Maybe getting bombed will knock some sense into the the Ayatolla regime. Spend less on providing weapons to Syria, Hezbullah, Hamas and spend more on your own people.

I have no intention of defending Iran.

Suffice it to say that Saddam was used, and reused...until he said no. WMD's (including those supplied by the US) we're never a problem as long as they were being used on the 'right' populations.

Hussein became a rogue as he resisted attempts by the likes of the World Bank to bring Iraq into the fold of economically subservient nations. He understood the rules, and also the consequences...loss of sovereignty, and forfeit of control over one's resources.

The CIA supported coop in Caracas 2002, was just another example of this same attempt at US hegemony...only this time the target was Venezuela. Chavez denied the globalists, the coop was orchestrated, it failed...and now Democracy is breaking out all over Latin America. Under Chavez, the previously disenfranchised poor have begun embracing the political system as never before. The cat is out of the bag, and I doubt this will be changing anytime soon.


A couple of snippets from a recent piece by Englishman George Galloway:


"Much more is at stake than London mayor Ken Livingstone's welcome oil deal with Chávez, which will see London bus fares halved while Venezuela gets expertise from city hall and a bridgehead in the capital of the US's viceroy in Europe. Washington's biggest oil supplier is now firmly in the grip of a social revolution."

"He [Chavez] became a hero in the Arab world after withdrawing his ambassador from Tel Aviv in protest at the bombardment of Lebanon by US-armed Israeli forces last summer, and has pledged privately to halt oil exports to the US in the event of aggression against Iran." www.guardian.co.uk...


And John Perkins explains economic warfare: /ysx3pv

from JudahMaccabbi: If the middle east had no oil, the region would be regarded in a similar fashion as Africa is regarded (or disregarded).

Please don't interpret this as an attack on your general intellectual capacity JudahMaccabbi...you're obviously an intelligent person. However, to equate Africa with an oil-less ME, or to insinuate that Africa has somehow been 'disregarded', or is resource poor, is simply misguided.

In fact, Africa is both extremely rich, and highly regarded...and the continent is currently the focal point of global resource grabbing. The amount of recent investment in African infrastructure by the Chinese alone, in exchange for access to these resources, is massive. Exploitation, and competition is just beginning to heat up. Notice the US support of Ethiopian forces in Somalia recently...ultimately, this is about oil shipping lanes around the Horn, and resources...as much as it is about Islamic terrorists groups in the region. It's all sounding very familiar.

Blind statements like this, designed to lend support to a position, only serve to expose one's limitations, and to undermine general credibility...the African analogy was poorly researched.

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Please don't interpret this as an attack on your general intellectual capacity JudahMaccabbi...you're obviously an intelligent person. However, to equate Africa with an oil-less ME, or to insinuate that Africa has somehow been 'disregarded', or is resource poor, is simply misguided.

You are right, I should have been more specific. Africa is rich in resources. I was referring to areas like Somalia which is desolate and there seems to be little interest in assisting the locals. Famine and droughts are commonplace. World assistance is minimal and world disregard is compounded by the Islamic extremism in that country.

Major Jewish Peace Group Calls on Bush to Engage with Iran

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - March 12, 2007
"For a number of years, some organizations and members of the American Jewish community have taken a very public, leading role in pressing the Administration to pursue and escalate its current policy vis-à-vis Iran – a policy which, in our view, is inconsistent with the best interests of both Israel and the United States. As a well-established and respected member of the organized Jewish community, representing large numbers of Jewish, pro-Israel Americans, we believe APN has a responsibility to make clear that the American Jewish community is not united behind this policy" www.peacenow.org...


Though this announcement by 'Americans for Peace Now' doesn't address the possibility of an Israeli attack, or Iran's right to develop peaceful nuclear technology, I find it's sentiment both comendable, and rational. Still, I doubt that the Bush Administration will value APN's 'carrot & stick recommendation as an effective strategy.

Diversity of opinion on major issues like Iran, and Palestine exists within the global Jewish community itself. I feel it's important that we know this. As humans, we seem to have an instinctual proclivity to paint all of those from outside of our respective tribes with the same broad brush.

I would encourage any interested party to research such groups as; Bat Shalom, Gush Shalom, Jews Against Occupation, and others.
yellowcakewalk.net...

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

"Isreal Is Getting Ready"

the military and or Defense Forces are half the equasion, imho,
the Israeli civilian population is the other part...and here's what's doing in Israel as far as Prepping for war!

The government also recently approved construction of a public shelter underneath Jerusalem's new railway station to accommodate hundreds of civilians.

XXXX//www.thetimes.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1495080.ece

new source: (as the above one got canned)
209.157.64.200...

Story; from 'times on line' ="Bunker Mentality as Israelis prepare for nuclear fallout"

... hundreds of Israeli families are already installing bunkers in their homes...

...fears of a nuclear attack first surfaced in Israel during the Gulf war in 1991. In recent months it has become an obsession...

~Recent months~ refers to the 9 March 2007 date of the published article.

the gloom-n-doomers have swayed the Israeli citizens of today,
just like the USA had the backyard shelter craze in the 50s & 60s,

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Chatori Zurvan,

I am individual who is eager to learn. I sat through the 7 clips and I watched and listened. It basically taught me nothing new.

Khubam meci dadash damad garm. Kheli ba mehri.
eager to learn is great but are you also aware that you don't know everything and that there is a chance you could be wrong?

sorry if the video did not tell you anything new!

The French were making a huge wad of cash off the Iraqis during the 80s. So were the Germans and most probably the Russians. But the US was to blame???
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If the middle east had no oil, the region would be regarded in a similar fashion as Africa is regarded (or disregarded).

Ok the question of blame is something tricky if you ask me. In the past a lot of people have had their fingers dirty! that is why it is called a cycle of violence. So do you get the egg first of the chicken?

Everyone is probably to blame for what has happened in the past. I do not believe that at any point I have said it is all US's fault! But have they done some naughty things behind the scenes? sure they have.

and you comment about middle east shows how much you really know about the region and its history! have you heard the term "cradle of civilisation"

Do you think Persia would have been disregarded if it didn't have oil? well guess what it didn't have oil and it was not disregarded! well not much anyway. Have you heard of the Silk road?


Ok middle east as defined today has three main races in it(roughly).
1)Arab
2)Jewish
3)Irani(Well I can't say Persian+Kurd+Baluchi+Lor+Turk+...)

Ok, trust me if anything the oil has been a curse to Iran! Iran would have never been ignored if it didn't have oil.

Some pics for you to see:
Iran - pics

Tehran + Tehrani - Pics

Search for the history and the science and the technology that Iranians used to posses.

Zurvan,
Still for the life of me I cannot understand what

I for don't hate Israel, I hate their HR regimes.

means.

Funny I thought you wrote those sentences. Well mate I have no idea what the second sentence means either. HR though I think stands for Human Rights.

When the little red light lights in most western countries with regards to Iran's 'peaceful' Nuclear plan - I think that there is concern that should be addressed. A nuclear Iran is a danger to everyone. Iran is considered by many Arabs to be 'Magnun' (look it up) or in Persian 'devona' (I think you understand me

Yes there is reason for concern for whats happening inside Iran. For the fact that HR is getting trampled on on a daily basis in the country. Where freedom of expression, religion and opinion is not present.

This is what we need to fix, A federal republic of Iran will be fine with Nuclear Technology. If not good luck stopping it

To fight the fundamentalist Islam should be our goal and not Iran and its people who are mainly non Arab and quite moderate.

Don't let the fundamentalist old-Arab culture worshiping minority* that are currently in power f00l you. I am no Shia but shia to Islam on a majority level is like protestant to Christianity. Shias are quite open minded on average it is unfortunate that the fundamentalists have the power and are giving everyone a bad name.

I know that Persians are an intelligent nation. They scored very high in international high school tests (I think the highest - and I am assuming no foul play), but still, 4 million refugees left Iran!!! Their treatment of the Jews is deplorable - The only reason there are so many Jews there is that they are not allowed to leave!!!

Fare enough on all points you said here except the last one on Jewish people not being allowed to leave. Can you please provide some evidence on this? otherwise this is the first time I have heard that all the Jews in Iran are not allowed to leave the country ?????

No only the treatment of the Jews is deplorable but also of every other descent citizen! Women, secular and communist members. Have you heard what the did to Bahais?

If you knew a little bit about Iranian history, you knew that Iranians are Persians first and then Muslims second.

what this has to do with anything I do not know.

Well I think I have tried to explain myself above. But what I am saying is that Persians are not Arabs and the version of Islam they mostly believe is considered heresy by the rest!

read on
Khayyam
Hafez
sadi

The Persians you are referring to are not the same nation as the Iranians of today. The great scholars and scientists have become extremists who choose to finance terrorists in Arab states fighting Israel rather than saving their tattered economy. What's the inflation rate there today???? What about unemployment???

Yes 4 million left but there are still 70million in Iran and 51% are Persian!

Nope mate we still have the scholars and the scientists and believe you me a lot of them hate teh extremists more than you do!

Most of Iranians are pieced off that their money is being shipped to Arab countries while Irans economy is in a tail spin!

inflation is about 40% and unemployment around there too I guess**. You see no one really know as the stupid government manipulates the date to suite its agenda!!! how dom!!


*I know that a new Arab culture exists or that in the past probably they had different submissive cultures too
**I am not sure about the exact stats I am sure you could find some guesstimates on line and quite frankly I do not see the relevance to this topic!

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Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

Maybe getting bombed will knock some sense into the the Ayatolla regime. Spend less on providing weapons to Syria, Hezbullah, Hamas and spend more on your own people.

Mate who do you think is going to get bombed? I tell you it is going to be the people of Iran and not the @#$Q#$@#$%@^#% Mullahs!!!!

Did bombing change Saddams mind? if anything it will give them all the liberty to yet again quash all the civil society in Iran and rule with and Iron fist.

Do you not know that the fact that Saddam atacked Iran actually helped sement the Islamic regime in Iran? you know if you country is under attack it is very hard to stop and fight over human rights inside the country! it is very easy to make people disappear as traitors!

Have you heard of the Green belt? Green belt was supposedly desigend by CIA to contain Communism. You know what Green is the color of? or I should say what religion green is the color of? hint hint.

I have no intention of defending Iran.

I think I can see a hint of it


unless you have a plan that gurantees minimum civilian human and infrastructure casualty and gurantees of a proper working government structure in place and asap repair of any colateral damage, then I am against bombing Iran







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Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

Please don't interpret this as an attack on your general intellectual capacity JudahMaccabbi...you're obviously an intelligent person. However, to equate Africa with an oil-less ME, or to insinuate that Africa has somehow been 'disregarded', or is resource poor, is simply misguided.

You are right, I should have been more specific. Africa is rich in resources. I was referring to areas like Somalia which is desolate and there seems to be little interest in assisting the locals. Famine and droughts are commonplace. World assistance is minimal and world disregard is compounded by the Islamic extremism in that country.

So you are saying that Iran without oil would be just like that?

Originally posted by zurvan

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

Please don't interpret this as an attack on your general intellectual capacity JudahMaccabbi...you're obviously an intelligent person. However, to equate Africa with an oil-less ME, or to insinuate that Africa has somehow been 'disregarded', or is resource poor, is simply misguided.

You are right, I should have been more specific. Africa is rich in resources. I was referring to areas like Somalia which is desolate and there seems to be little interest in assisting the locals. Famine and droughts are commonplace. World assistance is minimal and world disregard is compounded by the Islamic extremism in that country.

So you are saying that Iran without oil would be just like that?

Are you saying it wouldn't? If so please enlighten me. Unfortunatly Westerners only care about themselves, thats why certain places in africa recieve little or no aid when things like genocide occur. The Middle East is swiming in oil so they obtain alot more attention.

Images of Iran -


have you heard of the history of Iran? what do you mean by enlighten you? maybe I have misunderstood you? what I think you are saying is that Iran without oil will be desert with no sign of technology or civilization where people are dying of hunger? please enlighten me if you are saying something else?

At the risk of being "flamed" and "hated" by everyone, let me through out an idea for discussion:

What if our extreme concern for civilian casualties is actually undermining the motivation for people to rise up and change their own governments? For example, if you are an average Iranian who wants a better government, why should you go out and risk death to change it? You can just suffer in silence and wait for the US or Nato or someone else to do it because they try not to kill innocent civilians. Sounds like a good deal to me - less risk of being killed and someone else does all of the dirty work. On the other hand, if you knew that the US would simply "wipe out" a country with no regard for civilians, you would be much more motivated to force change on your own.

Now before you banish me from ATS let me say that I am not advocating wiping out any country. I am just trying to think "outside the box." How do we help people, like the Iranians, rise up to change their own governments without encouraging them to just sit back and let us do it?

Originally posted by itguysrule
At the risk of being "flamed" and "hated" by everyone, let me through out an idea for discussion:

What if our extreme concern for civilian casualties is actually undermining the motivation for people to rise up and change their own governments? For example, if you are an average Iranian who wants a better government, why should you go out and risk death to change it? You can just suffer in silence and wait for the US or Nato or someone else to do it because they try not to kill innocent civilians. Sounds like a good deal to me - less risk of being killed and someone else does all of the dirty work. On the other hand, if you knew that the US would simply "wipe out" a country with no regard for civilians, you would be much more motivated to force change on your own.

Now before you banish me from ATS let me say that I am not advocating wiping out any country. I am just trying to think "outside the box." How do we help people, like the Iranians, rise up to change their own governments without encouraging them to just sit back and let us do it?

Hello itguysrule...I was inspired to re-post your comments...taking a little editorial liberty....


"What if our extreme concern for civilian casualties is actually undermining the motivation for people to rise up and change their own governments? For example, if you are an average American who wants a better government, why should you go out and risk death to change it? You can just suffer in silence and wait for the Russians or Nato or someone else to do it because they try not to kill innocent civilians. Sounds like a good deal to me - less risk of being killed and someone else does all of the dirty work. On the other hand, if you knew that the Russians would simply "wipe out" a country with no regard for civilians, you would be much more motivated to force change on your own.

Now before you banish me from ATS let me say that I am not advocating wiping out any country. I am just trying to think "outside the box." How do we help people, like the Americans, rise up to change their own governments without encouraging them to just sit back and let us do it?"



You're kidding..right?

The term 'collateral damage' is a military euphemism, or doublespeak for dead people; civilian men, women, and children. The civilian death toll in Iraq easily exceeds 100,000 and rising, with most estimates being much higher...imagine the number of wounded.

Collateral damage aside, l guess my primary point is; what business is it of ours to decide which countries in the world require our glorious intervention?

Perhaps a foreign nation should have taken it upon itself to liberate the victims of institutionalized slavery in this country...torn apart our system of government...restructured it to their liking...and while they were at it, why not privatize our natural resources to the benefit of their corporatacracy? (new word)

No offense itguysrule, but imho, you're entire premise seems out of touch...maybe step back into the box a bit.

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1


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Originally posted by St Udio
the gloom-n-doomers have swayed the Israeli citizens of today,
just like the USA had the backyard shelter craze in the 50s & 60s,

Israeli's strategic planning never planned or prepared for a nuclear threat. Nuclear threats were dealt with on an intelligence level and handled 'before' it ever became a threat (Iraq 1981).

Now with a nuclear threat being more tangible (terrorist organizations, Iran and guess what - Saudi Arabia as well) Israel is prepping for nuclear threats as well. That is what we are seeing today. Underground structures will be converted to nuclear bomb shelters.

Originally posted by itguysrule
On the other hand, if you knew that the US would simply "wipe out" a country with no regard for civilians, you would be much more motivated to force change on your own.

If we live in a world that a country is prepared to just wipe out another one then I tell you we are not far of anarchy?

How does civilisation, intelligence and common sense come into it?

I knew that Americans had enslaved people and got rid of races( native americans) in the past but somehow I thought you guys have moved on from that

“The 5500 Year Suppression of Ages”
To know is immortal

The Greatest curiosities upon our selves, is simply to know our selves and the mysteries of our Self being and Universe so vast. What grand purpose do we have here and why so much cruelty and suffering upon ourselves.

Because we don’t know ourselves and we don’t truly have the freedom to attain that goal for the formations of environments around us and through medias.

Sins, we know plenty of, and we know why… money and power, two of the greatest sins, for all, there is no power in us as there is in our Galactic Father, or God as you know him, though you know him not, and know not how to reveal Him for his true manner of being to convince us that He Exists.

Because they want to convince you that God is Money and money exists.

The existence of money and power for luxuries and perversions, above all, have distorted our very conception of well being, histories and spirituality, for evil always seeks to take away your spirituality to weaken you.

Hence conformed and implemented Corruptions of Propaganda.

We see it every day and every where, both in the human kingdoms and animal kingdoms.

Because of Our Stain.

This Stain will be 5480 years old on December the Tenth of this year, two thousand and seven, in the year of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, for all, on a worldwide level, though their religions are different and many, they all know in generality.

The core of our Histories, more or less, has always been focused around the Mediterranean, where we are also watchful for the histories of Egypt because of their great monuments left behind for us to witness and their records in temples of worship.

Many have asked and still debate the great mystery of the Pyramids and the Wisdom of yesterdays Scholars, and why it is that we only know the history of Egypt to roughly 3100.bC to a time of a First Pharaoh, and what are the mysteries of earlier Pharaohs, like Narmer, or Scorpion King and hints of other preceding Pharaohs. Pharaohs, who reach the day of light to 4000.bC from the provenance of the Palermo Stone which I believe was “broken” on purpose to hide older facts of our Histories, especially around 3500.bC, or before Christ.

The Bronze Age is capped around this time also, and the rest of the Mediterranean doesn’t seem to “wake up” until after 2000.bC, By 1000 aD, most of the Western knowledge was altered and hidden to favor the East.

In All, part of the great 5500 year suppression of Ages which all changed when they abandoned Our True God, who is Father.

But who can say, who is Father? What evidence can they sustain to convince us of Father other than words of hope and wisdom?
Who can say whose religion is proper when God has anger with 7 Churches that are in Asia?
For this reason, their very own revelations, shall be revealed unto themselves, for to alter God’s name is a revelation unto thyself of thine own doings as it has been for 5480 years.

For this reason they changed your calendar to Zero, and glorified themselves with riches and have hidden the truth from amongst our selves to gain the promise of the “broken one”, as they have glorified themselves with our true hidden knowledge.

For this reason, the Library of Alexandria fell to Pergamon, where they themselves, say the seat of their abomination also resides near the perch of The Ark.

Strange, for the Ark has been perched for at least 5000 years also, or since the First Pharaoh as you know him, Pharaoh Menes.

You know Menes, but you don’t know the Secret of Mn, which is part of a Royal Family of Wisdom and Time.

Nor do you know the Secret of our True Histories as Atlanteans, because our truth bears no academic standing in our schools of wisdom, if you can call them such things for all their falsities mediated by families of Zero.

So, to tell a Great Lie, is Great Truth, such as to portray Atlantis as a mystical underwater Disney movie, is burnt into the deepest neuro-logic memory banks of our minds.

Such as spending money or slaying our neighbours for crazed manias of distorted beliefs and hidden rages brought on through thought control which evolves into our maturities and family functions.

In other words, gross injustice and negligence upon ourselves through medias of corruption to the level of accepted tolerance and disfunction.

So, in truth, we are innocent as to why, but not as to have known why and still do.
Part of this corruption is also bred on purpose to distort forms of gain, such as religions, God or personal growth or our true histories. A prime example is we often see Crosses, God, Jesus Christ, Bibles and other religious purposes portrayed along side evils on our televisions, such as the The Excorcist and Linda Blair……when she was a child of 13 years of age for her demented movie role.

Again, focus is on Corruptive Power where the mentality of God and religions reaches a point of rejection because they themselves, the followers of Zero, blame God for our injustices and misfortunes and label him a murderer to have wiped out our Earth by a Great flood for his resentment of us.
Or, Priests, Bibles and God, will end up harming us with a “Texas ChainSaw” or “Silence of The Lambs”.

It was not God, the reality is it was Mr. Zero, whose abomination formed from the evils of your Sins upon ourselves, just as the Purity of God forming from the goodness of your deeds upon ourselves.

So, every Earth like planets with humans, also have their Gods in other Galaxies where the Law of One justifies Air and Water and comfort to sustain our lively hoods.

For example, most of us cannot look at a naked body without thoughts of lust if desired or detestment and embarrassment if resentful, for lack of beauty and spirituality of the complexity at hand.

A good example, is that in ancient times, fat big butted goddesses, were looked upon as beautiful because they were closer to God, in ancient times, before we abandoned him for the power of Zero.

The key word is Power, because the Power of Purity or God, and the Power of Zero, were the battles of our life forces to sustain provenance of kingdom, or our Earth, which sadly we see in our medias, families and futures, reflected by the power of zero.

Only problem is, the the followers of Zero, who are leading our very destruction, have no Mr.Zero, to further perpetrate their cause of evil doings and puppet governments.

The reason for this is that the 5500 year suppression has seen the light of day, and the truths of ourselves and our histories has been revealed.

The benefits of this is in the message of World Peace and Prosperous Growth for All of Us, no matter where we stand on this Earth.

Religion has stood the test of time and will always stand the test of time because there is no greater glory than Spiritual growth for us to continue in our next phases of development if we preserve our very well being…

That is, our Souls.

This was the Tragedy of Zero, to please you for your Souls so he could grow further than his 7 light years size within our very energies around us.

Imagine if we were to become that abominations energy?

That is the same purpose of those in Power, to be like the Gods.

Tragic that they shall become the Gods of misfortune in the world of the greys or their souls evaporated into the bowels of Sekhmet and Orion, or Osiris and Isis if you like.

Because it is to Egypt that we are thankful to know the truth of our Histories and God, and to reveal unto us this 5480 years of Suppression, that and a mysterious land known as Africa.

It is to Africa that we owe it to ourselves to be thankful for the truths of our histories, to some extent. Our Scientists discover our oldest bones there, and trace our DNA roots to around the lands of Tanzania, Africa and The Old Duvai Gorge of Ethiopia. Our knowledge base has grown to a level to understand Dinosaurs or Continental plate theories, or wonderful machines that marvel our imaginations and transport us around this entire globe, or magnificent displays of human effort with our Cities or sacrifices of countless of lives for Wars of distortion and greed and false religions.

A 6000 year old war that continues to this day and terrifies our very existence

Call it systematic genocide if you like, for the purpose of the yellow race who glorifies themselves for their 100 years of breathe here on Earth.

It is also to Africa, that we owe ourselves the hidden knowledge of Atlantis and Atlanteans, as it was revealed not only in Sais, Egypt around 570.bC,, but also by our scholars of yesterday who memorized the Atalantean and Atarantean cultures of Africa (see Herodotus Histories).

But who is one man, to convince us of these great truths and why should we accept these truths as provenance.

Because the evidence has been collected to reveal our hidden histories and truths of not only ourselves, but of God and his grand purpose here for us all to be free of corruptions and live in peace and prosperity and to grow in a positive manner.

Perhaps, when we too realize our God, and return to Him as we once did prior to 3250.bC, then we too can build Pyramids with God, like our Atlantean forefathers of TA, the ancient name for our Earth, which became Atlantis or Atalantis if you prefer.

Sadly, we changed it to Earth, from our Suppressions upon ourselves, for here too, evil arose out of Egypt and stained Africa, Arabia, the Levant (Phoenicia) and Phrygia…

Then, it spread throughout our world by the followers of Zero.

Some knowingly while others unknowingly, to support the grand purpose of broken oracles, or promises, unknown to themselves.

Rich they became in the physical, but poor they become in the Spiritual.

In ignorance of their selves, but not in ignorance of their perversions.

True, a man may be King, or President or Wealthy in Riches, but is he wealthy in respect and rememberance? We only need to read about Croesus and Plato to understand the meaning of this.

The True meaning is what we all seek to understand.

To further the purpose of our cause, the meaning is simple for our 5500 year suppression.

Without lay of blame, for lack of knowledge, this meaning in the deepest sense becomes only two.

Jesus The Christ, and Judas The Anti-Christ.

I say this in a different sense of understanding, rather than what we commonly accept because we need to understand truly the purpose of the two.

Judas, we understand that he betrayed Christ who was murdered by the families of Eleazar, the black hooded priests of the 72.

For here is a land where they claim self glorification to justify that Wisdom, Knowledge, our English Alphabet, God, His Son and Mr.Zero all reside?

And here is the Holiest of Holies and the root of our Holy Bible, the Book of Constantine the ByZeroTine.

The root of this word is “Roma”, for they have been influencing our religions for 5500 years also with their cries of “Thou Shalt be put to Death”!! In fact, we can discover that this is 3000 years of influence for 1000.bC was when the Phoenicians reached Western Europe and Africa, and 1000.aD, was the apex of “Roma” integrations.

This “Roma” is also the root of degrading Christians and Catholics alike and setting down the foundations of our beliefs today, such as we also perpetrate everything to Sanskrit or Indo-Europeans without any regard or teachings of virtue for our true histories.

Then you wonder why they also hide Linear A or Atlantis.

When the Wisdom of the West Fell, such in case as The Great Library of Alexandria, the Wisdom of The East also arose and has been manipulated and contorted for their personal gain.

Such as they are known for Serpent cultures or forked tongues, which is also represented by their writings such as the chicken scratches of cuneiform for Darius or early Sumerians or The Tower of Babel and Babylon.

For truly, if you you believe in them, then they shall prosper from you. Just tally up the monetary gain of The Holy Bible or claim of the God and The Holy lands.

But how are we to truly understand all this?

Simple.

To read The Book of Atlanteans is more dangerous than reading the Bible.

Because, the Book of Atlanteans will reveal to you the Truth of Our Histories and not a conformed book of our legends and myths or garbled bits of scrolls accumulated to a magnificent story of misfortune, such as The Battle of Troy or The Illiad, or The Holy Bible.

To study Atlanteans is to understand our World Cultures as they were and interacted until that fateful day of December 10th, 3474.bC when Zero worship transpired from Snoferu and Khufu.

For this reason 150 years of Darkness fell upon Egypt and The Temples were closed, and Khufu, like his father, murdered millions.

Since then, or after Pharaoh Den, the Stain of Egypt has effected us all for from Egypt it carried into Arabia and Phoenicia, Phrygia and into Europe, and today worldwide for China and Japan are also corrupted.

The Secret of The Golden Calf, or The Slaughter of The Bull, is The Greatest Sacrifice.

The Slaughter of The Son of Man, which was also portrayed again, by Jesus Christ.

Then we have to ask ourselves, was this betrayal on a par with the followers of Zero Worship?

Did their secret books of evil rights know in advance the coming of Him?

We can also view this as the secret rights who keep an eye out for Atlantis, because they know the truth of Atlantis will reveal their falsities upon us.

Jesus Christ died around Zero to our Calendars, because he was chosen.
Jesa Christ died December 10th,3474.bC at 8:08am, because he was pure.
Christ today lives because he is both impure and pure.
For this reason the Evil ones didn’t see his coming and missed their opportune to revive Zero.
Because Christ today, has rid thee of Zero and the Evil ones will suffer the revelations.
Only the followers of Zero remain for the Wisdom of God to justify their sins of ignorance.

In part, the great concealment of those Zero worshippers will be revealed because today, they also try to tell you that the Anti-Christ, or Judas, had good intentions and was related to Christ and they fabricate false shows or papyrus to marvel the weak and monetary slaves.

The other concealment, is that God has revealed himself, His Wife, His Son, His Daughter, and His True Garden where he recreated us after our Great Disaster caused by Mr.Zero who has also been trying for 5480 years to attain the Soul of His Son as he ascended into the Heavens with God.

But now, this great entity of spiritual energy has been released by the Wisdom of God upon ourselves.

For truly I say, that I have no intentions nor purpose to perpetuate such things either amongst myself or others, but rather that these works are in fact the mysterious works of a God we once knew and abandoned.

All because I gained a passion to reveal the truth preserved by Plato, because of the truth preserved by my earth father.

My father’s truth was the Royal history of our Family of Mn, which so far I have traced to Queen Lenor of Portugal around the 12th century, and not actually Atlantis as some people think.

Although, true in the sense of Atlantis being our old name for Earth and what our ancestors were calling themselves like we say “Humans”.

True also in the sense that Menestheos is a remembered King as are Pharaoh Menes, or Atlantean King Mneseus of Sicily, Crete and The Cyclades or Minoan cultures.

Also true in the sense of Min, the Father of Egypt and true in the sense of Man and Woman.

All Secrets of the Royal Family of Mn.

Now the complexity of all this is simple if we understand that when we use the term Christ, such as it is in the word Christian, that we are in fact referring to The Blood of The Son of Man, who is the First Born Son of God, our Father.

Throughout our time, which we know at least 250,000 years ago to our pinnacle of brain development, or 50,000 years ago to the height of our genetic race types or cultures, that many embodiments of The Son of Man have come and gone for us in our world histories.

These, like the Great Flood stories, we preserve in our cultural legends and myths.

Legends, that have been purposefully altered throughout our 5500 years of suppressions.

Legends that start with Snoferu and Khufu circa the said 2700.bC, although 885 years are missing from the reversion to Solar Calendars from Lunar when they closed the Temples and erected the new Sun Temples and the worship of Osiris, Isis and Horus based on the rising star of Sirius and Orion, which makes the Jackals and Hounds of Egypt run in fear of their shadows and howl all night long and the crocodiles are restless to fulfill their laws of Draconian malices.

Since then, systematic subjugations for this worship of Judas have effected the Nine Bows of Africa as Sesostris circa 1682.bC also slaughtered the countless throughout Libya, Arabia, The Levant and even to do battle with the Greeks with the merger of Indo-Europeans around this time, whereupon the Hyksos retaliated and also became crazed with the countless slaughters of many and subjugated Egypt in return and reverse the role of Egypt to that of Mesopotamia.

For they all came out of Egypt and circumcised themselves as Egyptians, and placed Arks on their altars as Egyptians and glorified themselves with knowledge of Egyptians, Religions and Architectural buildings.

The temple of Todd in Phoenicia (Sidon, Byblos and Tyre) exemplifies this transition period as The Ramses Kings of the middle ages also unified the bond with Phoenicia and Egypt, since they have been trading from at least 3000.bC.

When the Phoenicians traveled to Western Europe and Africa, they gained much knowledge and our histories where today our schools of teachings, falsely conform to us that linear b, is the father of our alphabet when in reality it is like Atlantis, the hidden Linear A or basic roots of speech and hieroglyphics.

Just as they have hidden the knowledge of Atlanteans and our True Father who is JA and His Son that they took away from him and concealed His Temple and His Holy Garden.

The answers I have for you, the wisdom to know and witness, I also have for you.

They are not fabrications nor are they desires of distortion or perversions for monetary gain.

If they were, I would have kept silent like an aspiring author and published a “get rich quick” book for you all to read like the Da Vinci Code whose work had already been laid out by other authors.

Then again, you have to wonder why they made a movie for Dan Brown.

Because they know how to distort your truth with lies as they do your religions and history books.

But let me Strengthen your disbeliefs, for 2700 years have passed since Hesiod and 2500 years for Herodotus.

Nary a one has revealed to you for all this time of Secret of Hesiods Greek Muses or Herodotus’ nine books of our Histories….tho they be 10 for the Hidden Book of Mylo.
For this reason, The Greeks forgot their histories around Homer.

This is authenticity of my works and visions for us all to verify.
The Secret of Mylo and The Books of Herodotus by Riven. 2006.aD. (8488aJA.)
9:05 PM 1/12/2006

Herodotus of Halicarnassus.
440.bC.

Book 1) Clio
Book 2) Euterpe
Book 3) Thalia
Book 4) Melpomene
Book 5) Terpsichore
Book 6) Erato
Book 7) Polymnia
Book 8) Urania
Book 9) Calliope

Book 10) Where is it? Someone has it.

Herodotus was writing in the era of memory of the 10 Kings (after 1500.bC,Deukalion), and he definitely was not writing about the Ennead....
Please return the book to us,It belongs to Man and Woman.
You can no longer hide the lies.

The Secret of the Books of Herodotus by Riven.

Clioeuterpethaliamelpomeneterpsichoreeratopolymniauraniacalliope.

Epoillacainaruainmylopotareerohcispretenemoplemailahtepretueoilc.

Epo- illa- caina- rua- in- mylo- potare- ero- h(ae)cis- pretene- moplema(Mopsus)- ila- hete- pretueo.


Epic by that way fallen (Vulcan?)to waste/sorrow into this MYLO > Mysian/ drunken wanderer with his faults, to lie before the Oracle broken Secret Society greatly prized here.

Translated with Cassell's New Latin Dictionary, 1959 edition....from Ja.

By SaJaRa Riven Jan 12,2006.aD (8488aJA.)


RETURN THE 10TH BOOK OF MYLO....Please, it is a piece of our History, along with the Books of Alexandria....Thankyou.


Immortality is attained through the Heart and not the Eyes or Ears.

Had I based my research on The Bible, you would have never known your truths.

Now you know.

For it is as it has become….

To Know Is Immortal.

To Know Is….

Save these Works to Be Immortal and Purify our Distortions.

In time you will understand why and the clues I have provided for you from God our Father in search of my family roots. Though you disbelieve me and think I fabricated the photos or wisdom..
You will come to understand that these are not the writings of a book nor personal gain, but virtue of wisdom for ourselves and a great message of World Peace.

And you will come to know our Father and His Secret of Creation as witnessed in His True Garden.
You will come to know the true ascension of His Son and the Carina Nebula Star System Secret.

The Glory of All of Us.

King of The Double Falcons.

MN

Men of Wisdom and Time

[R]…SaJaRa- Paulo J.Tx.Mn…[R] March 15th, 8489.aJA. (2007.aD.)