BBC News Reports Building 7 collapse 23 Minutes before it collapses.

Maybe or maybe it would have just proved what the pictures, eye-witness reports, blue-prints, science and computers have already said and we wouldn't have needed to find a hangar large enough to store it all in. :-)

He still hasn't answered the many scientists out there who can show exactly how thermite can end up in rubble and no explosion ever took place.

Watch the video I posted a few post above with Dr. Jones dicussing his findings.....you might learn somthing.

Well I have to scoot across town.

This has been enlightening and educational.

Have a great weekend. :-)

Originally posted by Identified
Okay most of that comes from someone said something in some magazine or newspaper with the exception of the congress quote. Not exactly proof or evidence.

But let's accept it....

Amazing how some things that the government says is gospel but other things are more government lies. :-)

Still doesn't go to prove anything about WTC 7???

So what if China got it all? We were selling and they were buying.

Identified, I've only been on this board for a few hours but already it seems to me as though ChicagoFreedomFighter got it right. Your method of "discussion" is remarkably similar to that of those whose only purpose for being here is to muddy the waters and to sap people's energy in pointless discussion. That's 2 people in a short space of time arriving at the same conclusion - and not because we're seeing something that isn't there, but because of YOUR behaviour. Either discuss or go away and research. You stated earlier that you don't know a huge amount on the subject so instead of supposedly trying to learn by asking endless questions in such a negative way, why DON'T you go and do some research? And then, when you at least have some knowledge to back up the questions, people won't think you're the troll you actually look like! There's a reason people get paranoid about trolls - it's because they exist, as Don Rumsfeld has admitted himself when he asked for the funding. So stop pulling every single point people raise apart with semantics otherwise I expect there to be a mass-ignoring session kicking off - and THEN who will answer all your innocent questions?!

For your information, ANYONE who accepts a single thing ANY government EVER has EVER said as gospel needs their head examined. If you want to assume that people selectively believe things governments tell them, then your perception is all wrong. People use what governments tell them to hoist them with their own petard, but no-one with any sense actually BELIEVES those things.

And what would it take to prove that 9/11 was an inside job to you? An admission from GWB? Well sorry, that ain't gonna happen, so make like the rest of us and spend a couple of years or so doing some heavy research. Start here; David Ray Griffin is one of the more balanced and hard-to-argue-with supporters of the "conspiracy theory" that it was an inside job.

www.globalresearch.ca...

[edit on 2-3-2007 by Illuminze]

Still goin' on about thermite, eh?

How did anyone get thermite, or thermate, which are, as you know, powdered materials, to burn horizontally through steel columns? How did that happen?

Anyway, to get back to the point of this thread. So, the BBC reported that the building had collapsed before it actually did. Boo Hoo! If you'll all take a stroll down memory lane with me, you'll recall that the very first reports on that day were incorrect. You know, the ones that said that a small civillian plane had crashed into one of the towers. Mistakes get made, and wrong things get said. This was one of the most frenzied news days in the history of the business, and during "heat of the moment" telecasts, like this one, things that are wrong will make it to air. Does anyone remember the Sago mine disaster? The fact that the BBC reported the collapse of building 7 before it happened is proof of nothing much.

[edit on 3/2/07 by savage99]

Originally posted by savage99
Still goin' on about thermite, eh?

How did anyone get thermite, or thermate, which are, as you know, powdered materials, to burn horizontally through steel columns? How did that happen?

Before you make comments like that you really should do a little research.

Ill help you out. Open the video in the link and watch it....it shows exactly how thermate is packaged in what are called cutter charges and placed on steal beams for demolition at about a 45 degree angle.

www.supportthetruth.com...

[edit on 2-3-2007 by etshrtslr]

This story is now the #1 video on youtube !

The floodgates are open!!! repeat The floodgates are open!!!

Identified you seem to be the only person who doesn't think this is main stream worthy?

I mean surely this story has more credence than Britt or Anna?

Illuminize,

I appreciate that you're trying to keep up the standard of debate however I also think that sometimes if you have people who are adamant skeptics or playing devils advocate then the standard of debate rises as any sloppiness is jumped upon, and prevents the reinforcement of false beliefs.

RE: BBC and YouTube...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And more info from BBC regarding the 9/11 broadcast...

www.bbc.co.uk...

PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE

The level of proof required to prevail in most civil cases. The judge or jury must be persuaded that the facts are more probably one way (the plaintiff's way) than another (the defendant's).

www.lectlaw.com...

John Gross a NIST engineer says the fires in buildings WTC 1,2 & 7 not hot enough to melt steel.
video.google.com...

Physical evidence of molten steel from the WTC 1,2 & 7.
www.supportthetruth.com...
911research.wtc7.net...
video.google.com...

Evidence of thermate used to demolish WTC1,2 and & 7
www.youtube.com...[/url[url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm
portland.indymedia.org...
www.supportthetruth.com...

Evidence that the BBC and CNN knew before hand that WTC 7 was going to collapse.
www.prisonplanet.com...
www.informationliberation.com...

If the preponderance of the evidence is taken as a whole.

NIST engineer says fires from jet impact and other material not enough to melt steel.

Then you have physical evidence of molten steel weeks after 9-11.

Then physical evidence of thermate used to demolish WTC 1,2 & 7,

And then at least two major networks reporting that WTC 7 collapsed before it actually had and refusing to identify who provided the information that WTC 7 had collapsed or was going to.

I ask you as the jury to render your verdict!



[edit on 2-3-2007 by etshrtslr]

I did not always know about bldg 7. I first heard about it here I think, but don't remember. Since I first heard about it, I have wondered if the plane that got shot down/crashed in PA had not been intended to crash into bldg 7 before it was demoed. Just a theory I had.

that plane was heading back to DC and that is why, in my mind, they shot it down.

Originally posted by Crakeur
that plane was heading back to DC and that is why, in my mind, they shot it down.

I think it was shot down too. Didn't Cheney even slip up once and admitted as much?

Why is it that people will swallow everything fed to them by the government and media, yet scream like banshee's when proof of counter claims arise?

Identified, I've only been on this board for a few hours but already it seems to me as though ChicagoFreedomFighter got it right. Your method of "discussion" is remarkably similar to that of those whose only purpose for being here is to muddy the waters and to sap people's energy in pointless discussion. That's 2 people in a short space of time arriving at the same conclusion - and not because we're seeing something that isn't there, but because of YOUR behaviour. Either discuss or go away and research. You stated earlier that you don't know a huge amount on the subject so instead of supposedly trying to learn by asking endless questions in such a negative way, why DON'T you go and do some research? And then, when you at least have some knowledge to back up the questions, people won't think you're the troll you actually look like! There's a reason people get paranoid about trolls - it's because they exist, as Don Rumsfeld has admitted himself when he asked for the funding. So stop pulling every single point people raise apart with semantics otherwise I expect there to be a mass-ignoring session kicking off - and THEN who will answer all your innocent questions?!

For your information, ANYONE who accepts a single thing ANY government EVER has EVER said as gospel needs their head examined. If you want to assume that people selectively believe things governments tell them, then your perception is all wrong. People use what governments tell them to hoist them with their own petard, but no-one with any sense actually BELIEVES those things.

And what would it take to prove that 9/11 was an inside job to you? An admission from GWB? Well sorry, that ain't gonna happen, so make like the rest of us and spend a couple of years or so doing some heavy research. Start here; David Ray Griffin is one of the more balanced and hard-to-argue-with supporters of the "conspiracy theory" that it was an inside job.

www.globalresearch.ca...

[edit on 2-3-2007 by Illuminze]


Have you guys ever used teamspeak. i have a paid server ,

if anyone wants the detals let me know.

No don't show me anymore!!! I might have to face the facts!!!!

Originally posted by Identified
I am well aware of who Dr. Jones is. And I am sure the 100 other scietists who worked on the investigation have just as glowing as credentials.

He still hasn't answered the many scientists out there who can show exactly how thermite can end up in rubble and no explosion ever took place.

Why? Because all anyone has to hear is that thermite was found and they assume that it was a result of demolition. When it doesn't need to be.

It wouldn't serve Dr. Jones' interests to get out a chalkboard and science book and teach us all a thing or two about Thermite.

And I am still not even sure that Dr. Jones found any such thing. He can say whatever he wants and what proof has he offered?

These are all things that one must take into consideration before making any educated guess regarding what went on on 9/11.

Damn those pesky 45 degree cuts in the beams.......
It was going so well too Identified.

I suggest you check in with your "superiors" for a new angle.
This ones all worn out.

[edit on 2-3-2007 by shindigger]

Originally posted by pesky george
Why is it that people will swallow everything fed to them by the government and media, yet scream like banshee's when proof of counter claims arise?

Good question. Until I looked at the evidence about this I believed the official version for the most part, but I know things that weren't ever discussed and had questions of my own. I at least went looking with an open mind. I haven't liked what I've found out, but it does make more sense with some of what I had already known. And it explains why the government never wanted to talk with me and why my evidence was destroyed.

double posted somehow

[edit on 3/2/2007 by Jessicamsa]