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Originally posted by PHARAOH1133
Thermite Straps (Which were used to cut the I-Beams) (Not Explosive) (Super Thermite is explosive) Explosives were used in conjuction with Thermite not just explosive.
OA was used in the cutting of remainding beams. Geesh!
Originally posted by CameronFox
its at the bottom of the page...i provided a link that shows where the photos originate from.
hereisnewyork.org...
OA was used in the cutting of remainding beams. Geesh!
Originally posted by TruthSeekerMP
I'm not asking what the pictures are saying. You made a pretty "clear obvious statement" in your opinion that there was OA used to cut the remaining beams. I'd like to know the source where you got that information, rather than looking at pictures.
Originally posted by timeless test
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Here's a link to an angle cut beam photo.
www.european911citizensjury.com...
The problem with that photo is that it was taken after the clean up operation began and so we don't know what work had been done to the beams in the picture by recovery teams. Iam yet to see any pictures of beams cleanly cut at an angle like that taken before the clean up operation.
Originally posted by NoobieDoobieDo
Because of all the rubble and what not I doubt they were able to get the heavy machinery in there to make those cuts - IMHO.
Originally posted by CameronFox
Again, I am interesting in knowing what your opinion is as to what this gentleman is doing in the photograph.
Originally posted by Griff
I'm also interested in what that guy is doing also. Because:
1. Steel being cut by an OA torch gives off white smoke and not yellow smoke. Yellow smoke is from aluminum or copper. So, he is not cutting the steel in that photo. He is probably cutting the aluminum on the other side of the beam.
2. Why did he decide to cut part of the beam, then jump to the other face of the beam to cut a short distance, then jump to the back and start cutting? Wouldn't it have made sense to actually finish the cut on the side he's working on?
3. Look at the other column. What's that burn mark from? Why did he start to cut that column and decide "oh, well. I'll jump to the other column instead."?
Edit: A scenario that would fit what we are seeing is that those columns had thermite "duds" on them and didn't fully "melt" and fall. That would explain the half angled cut on the steel. It would explain why he's cutting the aluminum off the other side. It would explain why there is a mysterious burn mark on the other column. Not that I put all my faith in this theory but it does explain some of the anomolies seen in that photo.
Originally posted by whiterabbit
Originally posted by NoobieDoobieDo
Because of all the rubble and what not I doubt they were able to get the heavy machinery in there to make those cuts - IMHO.
It doesn't take any. All you need to cut those steel beams is a tank of oxygen and acetylene (both of which are roughly the size of a helium tank, although the oxygen is often smaller) and a really long hose connected to them. The end of the hose just has a little adapter on it with a trigger. It's not heavy machinery at all.
They also make mini-bottles of both acetylene and oxygen, small enough that you could amost put them in a backpack. They're small enough that a man can carry both of them around easily.
Originally posted by Griff
Edit: A scenario that would fit what we are seeing is that those columns had thermite "duds" on them and didn't fully "melt" and fall. That would explain the half angled cut on the steel. It would explain why he's cutting the aluminum off the other side. It would explain why there is a mysterious burn mark on the other column. Not that I put all my faith in this theory but it does explain some of the anomolies seen in that photo.
[edit on 3/16/2007 by Griff]
Originally posted by whiterabbit
You can see some other kind of metal wrapped around that beam, and where he's cut a square out of it. Whatever that is caused the smoke.
Not if he doesn't want that structure to collapse on his head.
Don't know. I'm sure it's nothing very interesting, though. Maybe he got started and someone told him to do the other one first, for whatever reason.
Originally posted by Damocles
im going to stay with the more mundane answer, i still think torch or lance.
Originally posted by NoobieDoobieDo
I highly doubt a small portable torch could cut those massive beams.
But I've been wrong before.
Also, what would the benefit / rush be to cut the beams ? There's so much other stuff to do - like look for the dead.