High school is pointless

And who is going to give a kid that can barely handle high school money to start an engineering company from the ground up???

I do understand that you are working for someone and, naturally, defending your believes, by saying that starting a business is all but impossible, no one will give you the starting capital, that businessman work much longer, etc. , so its better do 'as told' for 7 hours a day and get a fixed wage. All this is correct from your - employees - point of view - "give me money, and I'll do as you tell me".

While an employer, an entrepreneur, thinks completely differently. The money - having the starting capital - does not make you an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs are the ones how make money.

While employees keep bragging about need of a starting capital, successful entrepreneurs keep saying that your mind, your ideas are your capital. Did you hear Bill Gates using a starting capital? Nor did Branson, Jobs, Dell, etc. They all started with their passion and ideas, not capital.

If you are starting a business, you're going to work a helluva lot more than 9-5 in an office.

One the already three times mentioned Branson was asked, when is he planing to retire, so that he won't have to work, but would be able to do whatever he loves and have fun.
Never - he answered - my work is the greatest fun I can ever imagine.

You see entrepreneurs are doing what they love, what is their passion. Spending time in the office is fun for them. But could you say the same about employees?

I also did drop out of school when I understood that it is not giving me anything and that those who were say 'study hard, son, it would pay off in the end' were mostly poor, broken, narrow minded people with whom I did not want to have anything in common.

I came up with a great idea for a mobile phone game and, as I did not have money to pull it off, I approached a company that already had experience in that field, offering them to make a 50/50 joined venture. Yeah, right, they said, 20/80 at most. And so we did it! While working with them I had learned how this stuff works, how this games are distributed, and my 20% were just enough to hire a coder to create a new project. Then another one. Now I am running another project, giving work to artists, coders and writers and have to more, bigger, projects in mind. While some of my peers are still in collage, being supported by their parents.

As for me, I can assure you that I evaluate coders and artists by their portfolio, by what they have really done and are capable of doing. Nothing else really interests me. I had artists sending me long CV with all sort of diplomas, etc. , but most of them were unable to draw even a basic character.

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I also did drop out of school when I understood that it is not giving me anything and that those who were say 'study hard, son, it would pay off in the end' were mostly poor, broken, narrow minded people with whom I did not want to have anything in common.

While some of my peers are still in collage, being supported by their parents.

Heh, if you stayed in school, you probably would've learned how to spell "college."


To all those who say high school, or higher education is useless - it's obvious why.

Yes, true, there are plenty of VERY successful people who made it BIG without college and some even without high school. But seriously, look at the stats. Look at the income, life expectancy, even probability in ending up in jail - all point to college as the obvious right choice.

Using Eminem to point out "success" without college is absolutely ridiculous.



[edit on 17-2-2007 by k4rupt]

I think everone who is currently in high school is going to think its pointless, but as you grow up you will most likely change your mind.

high school is a place 2 make ppl feel bad. i feel bad cuz my grades succs and im late every morning cuz i cant go up that early and that letter u get on your papper is how smart u are in other ppls eyes if u got a D like i got then im not smarter then that i cant get a good job im 2 dumb and that sucks so your whole life depends on have your doin when your young. fucc schools, fucc the government and fucc the police



like the rapper dead prez said school is like a 12 step brain wash camp that make u think if u drop out u aint got no chanse 2 advance in life

im in high school and i say fucc high school i know its the most importent thing in the world if i wont get an A,B or maybe C im fucced. when i was in 6th class i didnt thought that money was importent cuz i was 2 young 2 realise it so i didnt know what the meaning of school was so i stoped reading home works and go 2 school every day but know when im older i realise i should have been a A student or else im fucced. so im fucced i wont get a good job so its dumb that your whole life depends on how u was in school when u was just a little kid

Originally posted by dahl
im in high school and i say fucc high school i know its the most importent thing in the world if i wont get an A,B or maybe C im fucced. when i was in 6th class i didnt thought that money was importent cuz i was 2 young 2 realise it so i didnt know what the meaning of school was so i stoped reading home works and go 2 school every day but know when im older i realise i should have been a A student or else im fucced. so im fucced i wont get a good job so its dumb that your whole life depends on how u was in school when u was just a little kid

Well your English is below the standard of a fifth grader, so... Do you have any mental disabilities?

Studying and working is part of doing well in school. Sorry, but it's not really about being smart, it's about putting in time and effort. That's why you're sitting there, babbling about "fucc the police" while you're doing badly in school.

Originally posted by dahl
high school is a place 2 make ppl feel bad. i feel bad cuz my grades succs and im late every morning cuz i cant go up that early and that letter u get on your papper is how smart u are in other ppls eyes if u got a D like i got then im not smarter then that i cant get a good job im 2 dumb and that sucks so your whole life depends on have your doin when your young. fucc schools, fucc the government and fucc the police

Wow, high schools have obviously failed us. I can't even understand what this guy said. I think this is all once sentence too.

like the rapper dead prez said school is like a 12 step brain wash camp that make u think if u drop out u aint got no chanse 2 advance in life

They.....Dead Prez are a duo. And yes, the educational system is, in general, a brainwashing program. But they do teach you to read, and use proper grammar. You have to give them that.

Originally posted by bratok

I came up with a great idea for a mobile phone game and, as I did not have money to pull it off, I approached a company that already had experience in that field, offering them to make a 50/50 joined venture. Yeah, right, they said, 20/80 at most. And so we did it! While working with them I had learned how this stuff works, how this games are distributed, and my 20% were just enough to hire a coder to create a new project. Then another one. Now I am running another project, giving work to artists, coders and writers and have to more, bigger, projects in mind. While some of my peers are still in collage, being supported by their parents.

[edit on 17-2-2007 by bratok]

Say, what game is this? I'm curious as to what kind of idea would make companies bite.

Given the fact that there is a clear coloration between levels of education and having a successful career; I would have to say that high school is too easy and to short and is very important. American kids are dumb as so as it is when compared to other countries. School needs to be more rigorous indeed!

[edit on 17-2-2007 by MooneyBravo]

I hated high school when I was there, but it taught me the most important skill I will ever have in my chosen field of work - how to play office politics. It also taught me that life isn't fair and sometimes you have to do things you hate to get ahead.

I didn't enjoy any of these lessons at the time, but they serve me well now and I'm glad I stuck it out (which I almost didn't).

Ok, so we all know that people's ability to spell and write are not perfect.
i can see this just reading your posts.
but really you guys, WHO CARES. as long as i I can get what your trying to say, I DONT GIVE A S***.
Those of you who are constantly correcting each others spelling need to GET A LIFE.

If we could all choose between learning how to have Excellent spelling, or math skills, as apose to curing CANCER, what would you choose?

this is my whole point. We limit our success with the lesser good.

These days, If i want to know somthing, I ...Dont be too shocked... SEARCH FOR IT ON THE INTERNET.

in order to qualify for my job, i may have to take a class that involves math. I Hate math.
I dont not need to calculate somthing that i can esimate using HUMAN ABILITIES.
those who cant do that are restricted in some sence to evolve whatever they do.
And given that LAW i have just created, i am also restricted because of my hatred from math. there for i need LEARN.
But, high school interupts all of this with its Requirments.

instead of having a strong spot, you have to have an all around excellence.
That is why We as a human race will not spike with discoveries.
instead we will Develope ideas in a constant pace.

its like this.
say on a scale of 1 to 10, we measure the BRAIN FACTOR of people for all the subjects.
school tends to make this happer
_\/_______|__________ 10__this is what the world needs
_8_ 8_____|__________10_7
78_78____|_______6___10_7
78678____|_______655_10_7
78678____|_______655_10_7
passing___|______________BUT, not passing high school

whatever.
I hope it makes sence to you

a person Having very high strong points with equally low weak points is not going to do good in high school.
what does educational system help accomplish?




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In my opinion the High school certificate is just a piece of paper, there's people that have got 98 points on their UAI(Universities Admission Index) but i see they don't have the knowledge or are smarter than someone that doesn't even have a UAI.

For example i was talking to a university student that was studying primary school teaching, only knew bits and pieces of the Australian history, she hardly knew her times tables, she didn't have a clue when man landed on the moon and had no idea where Chile(South America) is, and that's only an example. So you think for a sec. are these the teachers that are educating our sons and daughters?

Ladies and gents,
having a higher school certificate doesn't make you smarter than anyone else, it only gives you a more sound possibility getting a proper job or choosing a better career in college and/or university.

Say, what game is this? I'm curious as to what kind of idea would make companies bite.

It was a remake of Alley Cat ( a DOS game of the 1980s ), called Mobile Cat.



If I'd have a change to do it over again, I would have done it on my own, so not only keeping all the profit, but I'd also use a different marketing strategic, make a version for Symbian, etc.

[edit on 18-2-2007 by bratok]

Seconding what Bratok says..

It's about mindset. Some people feel happier working within an organisation, earning an income in exchange for their time. Others feel happier directing their own efforts, and risks associated with faliure are seen as acceptable when compared to the increased rewards of success.. (and I don't mean just financial rewards, but the personal satisfaction gained from independence, the control over their own destiny and how to spend their time)

There's no right or wrong, but by and large the education systems are designed for people in the first group.. in part because all the people working in the education sector are by definition IN the first group, and have no experience of the other side of the coin.

For some of course, highschool still feels like it's not suited to them, and yet they don't see them selves as entrepreneurs either..(yet)... in that case, it's still not a problem.. They can still be just as successful, as long as they have something to offer an employer... hard work, reliablity, common sense etc... Anyone who can offer these things will be welcomed as a junior/apprentice etc in any number of practical trades... add 10 years of experience and they will be be in just as good a position by the time they are 30 or so, as the college graduate..

Unfortunately, the education system does brainwash people into believing academic qualifications are the be-all and end-all... The smartest "entrepreneurs" figure this out early, but I do feel for the average kid who, while being more than cabable of running their own small business, be it a something a simple as paper deliveries or selling hotdogs, are disuaded by a system that makes them feel inadequate or stupid if they're near the bottom of the clase..

That was my experience anyway.. through all of school, my main aim was not to be at the very bottom.. If someone in the class got a lower score than me, it at least made me feel like there wasn't something wrong with me and if I could just try a bit harder, I might pass for average.. I knew I was good at some stuff of course.. I loved art and technical drawing, but those subjects were never taken seriously, and I was constantly reminded that they wouldn't help me get a real job.

So I was disillusioned at school.. dropped out of college, and spent a year or two making music in a band with a mate..and THAT, it turned out, was by REAL education. I learned about the record business, about working in a team to create a product, and having to promote it and sell it. I learned how people in the real world thought, I learned about business, about using computers as creative tools....
.. but most importantly I learned that if you can concieve of something... if you can see yourself achieving something in your minds eye, then it's something you CAN achieve... And once you believe yo can do something, and you want it badly enough to apply every waking thought, to strain every living fibre of your being in a concerted effort in the direction of you goal.... you WILL achieve what you set out to do..

In the ensuing years, I actually chose to return to college, this time studying media producton, came TOP of the class with First Class Honours, worked in tv, film ending up as a senior visual effects artist on some of the last decades biggest movies... so when my eyesight started to deteriotate, and I realized I couldn't do that job anymore..did I look at what else I could do with my degree? Nope....I fell back on my now unshakable belief that I could do ANYTHING I wanted, as long as I could clearly see myself doing it... so now a few years further on, I'm an independent stock/dervatives trader( and STILL rubbish at maths!), working for myself...getting up at noon if I like.. taking time out when I like.... not trying to brag here, and I mean that... but just hoping to inspire a few people who may be in the position I was in 20 years ago.. brainwashed, demoralised by the "system".


anyhoo... back to highshool, my feeling is that if there's something else you REALLY feel would be a batter use of your time right now.. then drop out and go do that instead..but you'd better have FOCUS. For most though, those who either don't feel like entrpreneurs, or don't yet have a clear view of the alternative (as most don't whe they are young and have little real workd experience), then staying on at school is probably the best option, UNTIL you decide what you really want to do.



[edit on 18-2-2007 by nowthenlookhere]

Sometimes we need to do things we don't want to, in order to be come the person we want to.

School can be a real pain in the ass. We are at a time in our life when we are being told to cherish every moment, take every advantage, because our childhood only comes once. With that, we are told to go to school, get good grades, go to university, and make all of these decisions that pertain to our future. So, we need to take advantage of every moment of our innocence and childhood, yet spend countless efforts striving towards our future?

When we are young, school is in the way for a lot of people.

I am at a point in my life where I love school. I've graduated from high school, completed almost all of my Arts degree, and now moved onto another secondary institution, and I absolutely love to learn. Every book, every page, every character, I want to read and learn and understand. For me at this point, it is not about making the grade. I am making A's, but it really doesn't matter to me. What matters is the content, and what I am taking in. The material is relevant to my goals in life and I fully understand that everything I put into it is going to come back to benefit me in the future.

I've finally reached a point in my life where I really want to learn. It scares me to think of something I might be missing out on.

Knowledge is power!

I'll share a true story from my own life, from a time when I had no ambition to learn. I was in my Arts degree, and it really was not for me. I knew of nothing else to do with my life, so I thought I may just drop out and enter the work force. But at the same time I knew that if I began to work, I may never go back to school. So I began to ponder some options. An uncle of mine who lived in Alberta (Canada) had always told me of this pig slaughter house out by his house. There were some real horror stories coming from this place. So I decided that is what I would do. I would take a summer, move to Alberta, and work in the worst possible job I could think of.

I had to be up at 4AM, I worked in a bitterly cold setting with almost 20,000 hogs passing through in any given day. I worked with every possible race on the planet and 75% of the place could not speak English. I worked there for four months and then returned home for school.

Suddenly having to get up and go to school, read a few books, and do an assignment was a piece of cake.

Sometimes we begin to see school worse than it actually is.

[edit on 20-2-2007 by chissler]

I remember the first day of college.. My professor toldme to forget everything I learned in High School... nuff said

On my first day of college, my very first class was Journalism 101. The professor entered the hall, took his place at the podium, and asked us if we knew the difference between high school and college. Nobody answered.

"In college," he finally said, "you can smoke in the halls." Which was true at the time.

And, for the most part, that's the only difference I ever saw between high school and college. Even so, college back then (in 1979) was 10 times more demanding than college today. Today the actual knowledge imparted is minimal, while the social engineering (read brainwashing) is given priority.

From '79 to '82, I majored in Journalism with a focus on political coverage, and it was like un-learning all of the creative writing crap that public schooling had dumped on me for 12 years. I had to learn specific writing styles that conveyed factual information as efficiently as possible, and it wasn't particularly easy. I remember my Journalism profs (3 of them) extolling the virtues of brevity, clarity, and tact — that is, a good journalist should know when to spare somebody the pain and humiliation of publicity, and just walk away from a story sometimes.

Wow, imagine that. Compassion and respect for others...in Journalism! It was an age of high ideals and higher standards.

Over the years since then, I've seen the quality of Journalism cheapened and degraded to the point that it's currently no better than the creative writing crap in high school. That's affirmative action for you, lowering the bar so that any imbecile can graduate college today.

Seriously, the worst writing I've ever seen now appears regularly on the front pages of metropolitan newspapers around the country, written by products of modern collegiate Journalism. My point is, if you're planning on going into professional Journalism these days, you might as well save time and money and forego taking it in college — believe me, high school has already taught you all of the sappy, stupid, insipid writing techniques you'll ever need.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 2/20/2007 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by WINGxZERO
Hi, i would just like to state that high school is really overkill.
Everthing about it is set up to be a pain is the butt.
I really question the need for all this extra "education".
First, school starts too early. studies show that people, especially young people should be sleeping until 11am. most schools start at 8am.
Why should you sleep this long?? well, it helps with concentration and focus, along with memory. All things that we don't need when it comes to school.
Then, There is things we dont need to learn. becuase The USA is falling behind Europe in education standards, public schools are stepping everything up. how? by requiring more classes to graduate. giving more work, and even less sleep.
nothing the school systems do is completely thought out.
the thing that makes me the most mad is how they act like you need to be good at high school to be good in anything else.
I am not an A+ student. But that doesnt mean I am not smart. You see alot of people with A grades, and they end up mixing with the wrong people and doing Drugs. Grades have almost no connection to inteligence.
I get C's and B'c, and I am alot smarter then some of the people with higher grades then me. I'm not just saying that to brag or anything.
I know what i want to do for a job in my life. And i see nothing but hoops to jump through when i look at school. The work I have to do is totally unrelated to what i would like to do.
The problem is, i have to do good in all of it if i want to do What i want to do as a job.
I see alot of people drop out, not because they are not smart, but because they just feel that this is not needed, and it isnt needed. but in this day and age its the paper that counts that gets you your job.

school is nothing more then a filter for success.

There are soo many famous and inteligent people that didnt finish high school. So what makes it worth so much of everyone's time?

I understand The material we study is meant to give us a taste of different area's of education, but then why is it soo heavily graded?

To me, the only work I picture this educational system relating to is some office job in some building, working for some CEO, and " I want those papers on the desk by 5 O'clock on friday..". says the manager

or maybe being a.... SCHOOL TEACHER.


[edit on 16-2-2007 by WINGxZERO]

It's called conditioned to gain capitail for your controllers
Welcome to the real world!

[edit on 21-2-2007 by seridium]

"garbage in, garbage out"

"what you give is what you get"

school is what you make of it

If you want to stick it to the system, get a's, and a scholaship to college , then get a fancy job in an ad company and run anti school ads

Man I wish I would have finished high school.Now I am 38 and I have spent the last 20 years making pizza.It pays the bills,but what am I gonna do once its time to retire?I'm screwed.So high school sure does help in the long run.