US war crimes:

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Evidence for future trial.

This is a war crime.

Execution of disabled and wounded enemy soldier.

What they were supposed to do is to take him as P.O.W. and give him medical treatment, but instead they shoot him dead and commint a war crime.



How can these #s live with themself?

Come on Fulcrum, didn't you know war crimes only apply to those against the US. The US NEVER commits war crimes. That guy was an obvious threat to thoses soldiers well-being.

shows it all, the bad thing is, they showed it on cnn, can u imagine what more is going on that they dont showww..like yesterday i just stumbled on this www.newsbutcher.com...
Dont know if its reliable..but bad it is..

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Wounded or Sick Troops

In essence: If they're wounded or sick, HELP THEM! The first Geneva Convention addresses the issue of injured or otherwise debilitated troops (as well as medical personnel and chaplains), and takes the humanitarian stance that as soon as a soldier is no longer able to fight, that person ceases to be a target. And beyond that, there is a call to action: Regardless of which side the wounded individual was fighting for, medical attention must be given. This includes actively administering treatment and allowing the Red Cross to administer treatment.

In the blanket protection of wounded or sick troops, medical personnel and chaplains, there is the assumption that these people are unarmed (or, in the case of troops, not able to use whatever arms they may have on them). In the case of medical personnel and chaplains, this raises the interesting paradox that these people are not actually prohibited from bearing arms in order to protect themselves; but if they do arm themselves, they give up certain aspects of their protected status. So in order to be fully protected from attack under the laws of war, they must be vulnerable to attack.



That Iraqi soldier or guerilla killed there was injured and was unable to even stand, and unable to use weapons.

This was a war crime.

Even according by over simplified US how-the-stuff-works pages.

This is true..

There was a way back a whole topic about this subject..

"US soldiers driving bulldozers, with jazz blaring from loudspeakers, have uprooted ancient groves of date palms as well as orange and lemon trees in central Iraq as part of a new policy of collective punishment of farmers who do not give information about guerrillas attacking US troops."

I was being sarcastic Fulcrum, I don't agree with that crap. Read my other posts and my position on allthis mess will be evident.

Originally posted by mooseofterror
I was being sarcastic Fulcrum,

Yes..

I could see that..



I just posted some more info on the matter of treatment of wounded enemy soldiers.

It wasnt directed to you but for those that later take look at this and try to claim that im full of shyte..

Jesus Christ. Those #ers should be court martialed.

I wonder why the US demanded that their soldiers have immunity from prosecution in the International Criminal Court

Originally posted by Paradigm
I wonder why the US demanded that their soldiers have immunity from prosecution in the International Criminal Court

This is why

As they cant have total control over every trooper (all the time), and they know that even soldiers of US Army do these things.
(war crimes..)

There is no way that they can prevent these from happening.

Yet they dont want to see US personel tried for these crimes.

For the crimes that they do.

If this trooper here would be tried, there would not be anything 'political' about it, this was clearly a war crime and theres nothing more to it.

(main reason US admin says it doesnt want to be in this International Criminal Court is that they claim that their troops
[or they..] would be sued for political reasons..)

Originally posted by FULCRUM
(main reason US admin says it doesnt want to be in this International Criminal Court is that they claim that their troops
[or they..] would be sued for political reasons..)

You know what's funny? All the reasons (political lawsuits,violates constitutional due process etc.) the current administration doesn't want to join ICC are bunk.

Former U.S. State Department Legal Advisor Monroe Leigh has said: "The list of due process rights guaranteed by the Rome Statute are, if anything, more detailed and comprehensive than those in the American Bill of Rights. . . . I can think of no right guaranteed to military personnel by the U.S. Constitution that is not also guaranteed in the Treaty of Rome."

www.hrw.org...

The conclusion we can draw from this is then:

US just doesnt want its bad guys tryed.

They want the to roam at free.

They think that war crimes are ok, unless commited against US/ALLIES/FRIENDS.

For me, I would think that it would have less to do with the Geneva Convention and more to do with SIMPLE RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.

If these murderers were not in the army, they'd be back home killing people or beating the hell out of their wives.

Straight to hell with these turds. And you'd better believe this got more play in the Arab world than it did in the West.

Shooting someone like this is not only murderous but it's the ultimate act of cowardice. These troops should be tried and convicted of first degree murder and let the Iraqis figure out what to do with them once the Iraqi legal system is up and running.

Sick sick sick.

jakomo

Is this just an example of the insidious racism that is rampant in the Corps or is it more an "army brainwashing the troops to hate" thing?

Originally posted by FULCRUM
This is true..

There was a way back a whole topic about this subject..

"US soldiers driving bulldozers, with jazz blaring from loudspeakers, have uprooted ancient groves of date palms as well as orange and lemon trees in central Iraq as part of a new policy of collective punishment of farmers who do not give information about guerrillas attacking US troops."

have missed that then, indeed its horrible to use force in this way, and why......

well, it was the soldiers, not the country. they do need to learn to respect other humans lives.

fulcrum, if 2moro the US cast some magical spell on north korea and transformed it into rich and fantastic place to live..... im sure u'd be against that aswell.

Originally posted by GeniusSage
well, it was the soldiers, not the country. they do need to learn to respect other humans lives.

fulcrum, if 2moro the US cast some magical spell on north korea and transformed it into rich and fantastic place to live..... im sure u'd be against that aswell.

1. These soldiers must face the penalty for these crimes, they must not escape the justice.



2. actually, isnt Japan like that? I have no ill feelings for them/their goverment. Japanese respect other peoples and nations.

I do not want the US in the world court, anymore than I want US soldiers serving under the UN.( the same UN that wants stronger gun restrictions in the US, the same UN that wants a national ID card for US citizens)

Soldiers who commit crimes, while in foreign countris should be tried by a Military court, or a civilian court in the country where the crime took place.

Fulcrum, Jakomo both of you need to grow a set a balls. This is WAR people die. That Iraqi was going to die anyway, they did the guy a favor by putting a few more bullets in him. That Iraqi would have killed the US soldiers without a second thought. It is kill or be killed. They are trained to kill. They were probably excited because it was the first time they were able to put their training to use, that is why they were yelling. Do you want a bunch of pussies like yourselfs defending this country?

If you were taking hostile fire would you go out of your way to save that iraqi who was shooting at you 20 seconds earlier?

Both of you are little puss y arm-chair jockeys. You'd wet your pants if you had to deal with combat or anything close to it. Sheltered little babies.

How can you live with yourself fulcrum?

Almost hate to say it but I pretty much agree with Fulcrum here.
The guy was down he was not a threat to the marines behind the wall. Whoever fired on him should be court marshaled. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior.

Actually..



And: "How can you live with yourself fulcrum?"

I can live with myself just fine, as i know that isnt my country men there commiting war crimes.

And what comes to the killing of that Iraqi man..

Well i would most likely to that same thing if i was those marines.. and it would be my country that was invaded.

However, there marines are the invaders on a killing spree!

Fry2,

"There is no excuse for this kind of behavior."

If there were soldiers who acted inappropriately or illegally then the United States needs to take the proper action, remove them from active duty and do whatever else is necessary based on a trial. If you self righteous little #s would listen to yourselves for a moment you'd realize the stupidity of what you write. Apparently you feel it's proper to hand down a harsh punishment to the soldiers no questions asked. Why? Because they're American soldiers. Period. If they did something wrong, they should be punished as wrongdoers. That's all there is to it. # you and your little "oooh americans never do war crimes" statements.

Day by day you destroy your credibility with your own words. Even when you bring up a topic that you may be right about you ruin it with your snide judgemental remarks. I don't understand why you refuse to allow yourself to look intelligent.