UFO's: Shoot at them till we down one of them!

Oh, one more thing my wife reminded me of... didn't we shoot at them during WWII?

the battle of LA - couldn't shoot the sucker down.

AND YES - us Americans like to shoot things... stereotypes - no... its the truth.

If you come to America, we walk around shooting tin cans and objects in the streets. Most of us have hidden bunkers for the apocalypse and have hidden passages that tunnel under our cities that go to MEGA shooting ranges.

"The bigger the gun - the more the fun" - anonymous American.

(hey, this is a fun thread).

Okay, let's say you shoot at a UFO and you actually hit one and it crashes and kills the occupants... How do you know you got the right race?

Supposedly there are a dozen or more alien races visiting earth, and suppoedly it's the greys that are abducting people, but what if you just fried a Nordic craft with a scientific team or some honeymooners aboard?

And even if it is a craft from the offending race--for which you have no proof to justify your actions--is it right to kill members of that race for what others have done?

Isn't this the same undifferentiated argument you heard after 9/11 about "Just nuke the Arabs"? Should we still be killing Germans on sight because of WW II?

Originally posted by gottago
Okay, let's say you shoot at a UFO and you actually hit one and it crashes and kills the occupants... How do you know you got the right race?

Hehe, now wait a ufo-downin minute! Got the right race? I think given the premise of the OP, I'd be happy to settle for any race at all. And so would most other people even if they don't agree with the way we nabbed em.

The point is, end the controversy of the existense in the first place. We've done asked all the questions. Time for some answers.

Someone figure out a way to down one of those suckers and we'll find out what the deal is.

Your actually assuming that THEY (the people in the appropriate positions of power who actually have accesst to the resources and knowhow to actually develop super advances weapons) haven't deveoped this capacity as yet...... and subsequently all of your posts are based on this assumption.

But if for arguments sake and for the purposes of illustration if you adopt the reciprocal assumption I.E. that clasified and advanced weapons (of which you really know nothing) have suceeded in this endevour (I.E. shooting down a ETV) then you would have to agree that this has had no baring on wheather or not the average joe knows the true nature of the phenomenon or not only really in increasing the body of information to which the public at large are "necessarily" excluded from for "national security" reasons...
I.E. These weapons programs are super super covert (and rediculously expensive.. running into the trillions of dollars) but so is details relating to the E.T phenomenon..... I.E they are super super classified....

Secondly it is arogant, ignorant and presumtious of you to think we would realistically stand a snowflake's chance in hell of denting one of these things without "their" grace.
I.E. even if we did suceed it would only be because they have allowed us the liberty of "playing with matches".... like stupid kids who must burn them selves before they learn....

If they wanted to get nasty they could elliminate every last human on the planet with out even blinking (hell even we can do this)......
They could no doubt do so with any number of methods.... they could disrupt the weather..... divert a few asteroids and drop them down on us.... engineer a disease that would spread like the flu and kill everybody.... there are any number of ways..... they could even modulate the gravitational fields around our cities and reduce every structure to rubble in seconds???????

There is no E.T. War .... because they have been here from the beginning....
The only war is the the one the establishment is having with its own fear....

Despite what the establishment would have you believe the nature of the E.T. phenomenon proper is not predominately a negative one.
99% of the bad PR is being engineered for propaganda purposes......

I saw this doco.... recently on cable about the propaganda techniques employed by the british during WW2 and how the americans started their own propaganda units (based on these) at this time and just how effective they were durring ww2 ETC.... good doco.....
These guys are pros... no one understands PR and the media like the amerians they are the PR masters........ Dont under estimate them.

My question is: Can thease 'alains' wot you want to kill explain why men have nipples? If they can, surely they deserve to impart this information before they meet a gun happy yank?!

Originally posted by morphonius821
Your actually assuming that THEY (the people in the appropriate positions of power who actually have accesst to the resources and knowhow to actually develop super advances weapons) haven't deveoped this capacity as yet...... and subsequently all of your posts are based on this assumption.

Actually, while that's a good attempt at insight, that's not the case at all. Whether the bloated black budget has achieved a weapon able to down an ETV, and done so or not, is inconsequential to the need to find out on our own. Which is the underlying theme of the thread. How do we know that the military wasn't responsible for the shootdown of some of these UFO's? We don't. The point is, they aren't about to tell us either way, except to deny, deny, deny- a popular choice of action on the issue for over 60 years now.

But if for arguments sake and for the purposes of illustration if you adopt the reciprocal assumption I.E. that clasified and advanced weapons (of which you really know nothing) have suceeded in this endevour (I.E. shooting down a ETV) then you would have to agree that this has had no baring on wheather or not the average joe knows the true nature of the phenomenon or not only really in increasing the body of information to which the public at large are "necessarily" excluded from for "national security" reasons...

Yeah, so how does that help the average joe find out what the real deal is? Whether they shot one down or not remains a mystery to the unclassified. Again, inconsequential to the underlying point of the thread.

As to the rest of your post, you act like they, if they exist, are so technologically superior there is no chance for a simple man with a high powered rifle and AP round, say, to take one down. How do you know that the ship may operate in certain modes that are more vulnerable than others? For all we, the common man knows, they could have to drop some shields to suck up water from a lake, for instance- a phenomenon seen more increasingly.

The bottom line is unless someone does something, all of us here are going to our graves without knowing for sure, unless you have Top Secret clearance and know something we don't. Live with it, or start UFO huntin.

I'm sure all of you have read the posts with videos of Worm-Like UFO's over the past couple of weeks. These things fly so slowly that it should be easy for an investigative plane or helicopter to swoop up to one of them and capture it with a big net or noose. I can't find the thread now, but last week, there was a video that was allegedly taken from a NASA camera showing one of these UFO's gracefully passing overhead. If NASA is tracking them, you know that other agencies have to be also. Why the heck aren't interceptions being made? So far, not a single report of any man-made craft approaching one of these slow moving UFO's. Strange...
-CWM

For those who believe in the UFO research stories, the russians supposedly tried to shoot down UFOs quite often. And it is claimed the UFOs blew up russian rockets in retaliation. Then there are the abductions.

So in my book the UFO drivers are not some really nice, understanding beings. I feel they are here for their own agenda and it is not in our best interest. If it were otherwise I think we would be aware of it by now.

If someone brings one down, more power to them. It would be interesting to see what the government would do after it happened.

There should also be a marksman award to be given to the shooter.

Originally posted by Slickinfinity


No person on ATS can prove with certainty that aliens are hostile and no person has proved they truly exist but one sure way or scaring them away or causing further delay to disclosure would be agressive actions taken by us.

I disagree. TrueAmerican raises a good point that it would assist Disclosure, by trying to shoot them down ourselves.

If we were hostile to them, then I think that it would HELP Disclosure. Escpecially if someone did manage to bring down a scout ship and slay the pilot.

However, it wouldn't be a 'friendly' Disclosure. They might come back in numbers and take revenge.

This is exactly what the government wants you to think. ET's are bad, its all an illusion they created. So they can then clutch their fist around the people harder to give them power and more control over you.

[edit on 18-3-2007 by DarkCyrus]

Actually I once read an amusing account of an encounter of a duck hunter with one of those huge black triangles (sorry no link, it was a while ago). The thing was looming overhead and the panicked hunter blasted away at it with his shotgun. Then a hatch opened, a head popped out and yelled something like, "Hey! Knock it off, buddy! This is government property!"

why do people keep saying they abduct us. we don't even know if they are real.

what if (given that there is a distinct possibility that intelligent extraterrestrial life may exist) they simply wouldn't care if we're aggressive towards them or not? they might not even be able to recognize our aggression as negative. isn't it folly to ascribe human emotions, motives and rationalizations to beings that might or might not exist? or is this just an exercise in pointlessness?

come to think of it, wouldn't they consider all the bullets and missiles we send their way as metallic offerings or a cascade of metal -- in the same way as some cultures in other parts of the world might offer a garland of flowers to a visiting dignitary?





[edit on 20-3-2007 by toreishi]

[edit on 20-3-2007 by toreishi]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Im not allowed to quote..

Im not allowed to reply either.

DAMN IT.

Originally posted by toreishi
what if (given that there is a distinct possibility that intelligent extraterrestrial life may exist) they simply wouldn't care if we're aggressive towards them or not? they might not even be able to recognize our aggression as negative. isn't it folly to ascribe human emotions, motives and rationalizations to beings that might or might not exist? or is this just an exercise in pointlessness?

That's an interesting thought. Although given the pattern of life and nature as we know it, it would seem that any organism with intelligence, and probably a limited lifetime, will understand the concept of harm in some form. If something hard like a bullet or worse were to bounce off or penetrate their ship, some kind of reaction could likely be expected. Of course what that would exactly be, who knows.

I am just saying that is likely, though not necessarily the way it really is. Who knows what universes may exist in the great beyond, and the unique secrets of life they may hold, completely unaffected by us and this rendering of life as we know it in this "universe"?

come to think of it, wouldn't they consider all the bullets and missiles we send their way as metallic offerings or a cascade of metal -- in the same way as some cultures in other parts of the world might offer a garland of flowers to a visiting dignitary?

Yes, a metallic offering, right up the kazoo. A titanium trojan horse.

But let us not miss the forest and get sidetracked by a tree. The real issue is no one seems to want to take any action against these flying pizza pans, and seems content to wait. For what? One to land in your front yard? Or for government to come clean? Bah.

It would be cool if this was a poll, i'd be interested in seeing the results. I'd recommend to anyone that shoots into the sky to say you were bird hunting. And if your only available weapon is a crossbow or rock or something, don't attack the UFO right over your head!

Originally posted by MrAndy
... And if your only available weapon is a crossbow or rock or something, don't attack the UFO right over your head!

they should put this disclaimer on rocks and crossbows:

These items should not be used to attack UFOs or any other flying objects of a nonbiological nature.

Considering the tech that aliens have to travel with in the solar system let along accross the galaxy there is no convential wepon or nonconvential weapon made by human beings which would be able to sucessfully target, track and make a direct hit against an alien craft.

If you read about other threads on ATS where there are reports of nuclear weapons being sabotaged while in their silo from an outside source this fact alone should be proof enough that as humans we can not bring one down.

Further more, the discussion about governements admiting the existance o alien life forms visiting our plant will never happen.

The religious bodies around the world would never allow to have this information released as it would completely prove that there isn't a "God" which created the universe and earth n 6 days.
Religion in general was created to control and propgandize the minds of the poorly educated masses. If there was an admission that alien life forms existed in the universe relgion would have no way of controling the outcome of history as it has done so for the past few millenia.

Arcticnull

Originally posted by Arcticnull
The religious bodies around the world would never allow to have this information released as it would completely prove that there isn't a "God" which created the universe and earth n 6 days.
Religion in general was created to control and propgandize the minds of the poorly educated masses. If there was an admission that alien life forms existed in the universe relgion would have no way of controling the outcome of history as it has done so for the past few millenia.

Arcticnull

Exactly and precisely true.

You and I need to sit on a distant hill, lock and load a few RPGs and aim high. If we bring one down, we'll drag the contents to every church we pass and ask them who their Daddy God really is and what else it has been making on it's seventh day of rest!

Originally posted by tezzajw
If we bring one down, we'll drag the contents to every church we pass and ask them who their Daddy God really is and what else it has been making on it's seventh day of rest!

Aight.

But what's to stop the aliens from repairing themselves and dissapearing into another dimension along with its toys, while you're tryin to lug em up a church aisle?

This might be a possibility among others that you might want wanna be prepared for... hehe