On to something huge here! (UFO HOAX)

Originally posted by Xeros

Originally posted by AgainstSecrecy
latest with that you lost all credibility. Very childish like, in kindergarden.

Yes, I've lost all credibility because I have a sense of humour.

Lighten up dude, I'm not out to get anyone either, I just want to get to the truth

THIS statement in conjunction with your other... that's why I"m interested in YOUR responses to those questions as well...

I think you might be surprised...

BETEO
SPout

Originally posted by Southpaw11
XEROS>

Perhaps if we changed the line of questiong. Maybe that would do you some good.

Did you ask him what happened AFTER the sighting yet?

What about yourself. Did you see those "event" questions I'd left? I'm curious to see your responses...

Be Excellent To Each Other
BETEO
SP

I think that you have an interesting and valid take on things, but not every sighting has events prior, related to the viewers.
I've seen a few ufos, one which was very close, but did not experience things after (that I can remember).
I think that, if this was proven to be a truly paranormal event then these questions should definitely follow.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by Xeros]

Originally posted by AgainstSecrecy
Keep going frozen.


If they can't get you with one single handle, then they bring in some sockpuppets. Might those handles be new or a bit older, doesn't matter.

That is pure BUNK, there are no sockpuppets on this thread. This is the second or third time I've read you making broad brush accusations that are utterly false and or misleading. You'd do well to think about what you are about to type on this board a little more going forward.

Springer...



[edit on 2-16-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by JH80
I filmed this in the UK, I was staying near Norwich (Norfolk, East Anglia) at the time.

The aircraft would have been flying North, I think.

OK if that is the case and your is in England there is no need to even try. When you said similar I thought you were impliying it was taken in Ohio or around lake Earie which is not the case. Thanks just the same.

Hey JH80 where is the footage of it going over your head? I would like to see that

Here you go, still hot off the press...

youtube.com... [may not be live yet, please be patient!]

My other video (part 1) can be found on page 22 of this thread.

OK if that is the case and your is in England there is no need to even try. When you said similar I

thought you were impliying it was taken in Ohio or around lake Earie which is not the case. Thanks just the same.

Are you saying that Canada and the UK do not use ANY of the same aircraft? In my opinion the video I posted is still important, the fact is that it shows a plane doing a similar thing to the "UFOs" shown in the OP's video.

I have posted my second video (see above) which along with the first one all I have. I have given all of you all my data/evidence. I cannot do much more. Although I will continue answering any sensible and relevant questions.

I am intrigued by the video, I am just wondering Why did you post this video instead of the video that clearly shows it is a plane?

It's taken me a while to find the videos, I thought I had put all the videos onto a CD, I checked and there was no video of the plane flying overhead on the CD. I found it eventually, it had made its way into 'My Pictures' folder somehow. Anyway, I know it was a plane, it passed right over my head.

What did the footage you took the next day look like? were there more than two lights when it got closer? What did it sound like when it went overhead.

See the link above. Similar, although the plane was at a slightly different angle. You can just about make out three lights (look at the left light, and you will see). It is definitely the same object though. It even moves at the same speed as the object(s) in the OP's video.

If they can't get you with one single handle, then they bring in some sockpuppets.

Haha. I am certainly not a 'sockpuppet'... I like that word though.

Sockpuppets can indeed be used by using proxies.

Yes, a proxy will usually prevent you from identifying someone, but the Mods will know when someone is using proxy.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by JH80]

Originally posted by JH80

I think I have an explanation for the Lake Erie UFO video.

Nice one JH80. But I think we are telling Frozenthought nothing he doesn't already know. Despite the ovewhelming and irrefutable evidence that he has filmed nothing more than aircraft he still won't admit it publicly because it will devalue the footage and negate the veracity of any future UFO documentaries he is involved with. He still hasn't provided us with his 'house-sized orb entering the lake' video despite telling us he would do so. Such footage would at least claw back some credibility for him and give some credence to his claim that strange things are going on in the vicinity. I'm sure everyone remembers Ray Santilli's 10-year long unfulfilled promise to release verifiable frames of his 'alien autopsy film'. People waited and waited for something that didn't exist. Santilli knew they didn't exist and he knew his video would be valueless if the public found out. In the meantime we still wait and wait for Frozenthought's 'mind-blowing' orb footage!

So here it is, the entire state of the UFO field in one thread. How enlightening, and frustrating.

Someone interested in being part of something big, exciting, a quest for knowledge, finds a tiny bit of light in the sky, and comes onto ATS, proclaiming it to be a HUGE deal. Forget a second opinion, no need for peer review, this person has a critical piece of the puzzle we're all trying to solve (or so they want to BELIEVE) and they want to be important and respected. We're all supposed to bow down in awe of the AWE$OME footage, hey, it's on the FOX "news" channel, dammit, it's IMPORTANT.

Look, David Sereda, he's a RESEARCHER and a HERO, he says it's the bomb, man, it's REAL, it's a UFO. This is a guy with a personal relationship with Jesus, who has told him that any human can travel to Andromeda with their minds and hearts, screw the need for actual technology or the fact that the Andromeda galaxy is a paltry 2.2 million light years from earth. Dude, look at those UFOs, they come to Earth from everywhere in the Universe, ANYONE can do it. Sure - the planet of chocolate oceans and multidimensional nymphomaniacs is closed for the season, so everyone is coming to Earth for the burritos and awesome wrestling matches.

Some of us see this AWESOME footage, and decide, based on logic, data, expert observation, some basic analysis, and good 'ole intuition, that it's most likely, hell, definitely NOT a UFO. Looks like planes, see those lights to the left, that's an AIRPORT, but forget that, the OP says it's a UFO and David Sereda thinks it's a UFO, so shut the hell up, man, choose love over fear, don't crucify me, and BTW, I'm gonna be on Rense tonight, check it out. I'm the co-producer of Sereda's next awesome film, man, it's gonna be COOL, it has my AWESOME music, and my ACTUAL UFO footage I shot myself, it's the bomb.

And then starts the slinging. Someone states that they've seen similar things in the sky, so that's it, it's GENUINE, it's REAL, it's aliens.

Someone else chimes in and asks a long list of leading questions regarding abductions. Forget the sighting, it's about the anal probes.

Some more folks start to question the OP, asking some relevant questions about provinence, details regarding the sighting, trying to figure out what the deal actually is, and are immediately attacked and put down - in my own correspondence with Sereda, he inferred that I MUST be an NSA operative if I DARE question ANYTHING with respect to this footage. This coming from a guy who did a documentary about UFOs featuring Billy Meier footage mixed in with some genuine Mexican air force infrared UFO footage, along with some highly compelling Gordon Cooper testimony. Essentially, Sereda taints the useful evidence with crap, making the whole ball of wax less valuable, giving debunkers fuel for their work.

What a frikkin mess. It's pretty darn clear, thanks to the posts by folks like JH80, that these AWESOME lights are planes. Debate all you want. The earth is not flat, the moon is not made of cheese, these are not the droids you seek.

And the crap continues. OP is gonna be on the radio, so he's for real. He doesn't care what you think about this stuff, he KNOWS it's aliens and UFOs.

As long as the tone of the conversation is focused on ego, slight of hand, irrelevant noise and belief systems, we're not going to get any closer to the truth.

Michael Lee Hill, you might mean well, but this footage is bunk, and as others here have stated, I think you already know it. But you have an agenda, a biz deal with Sereda, and facts can't get in the way of the DVD release. And look at the cover of that DVD - FUD being used to sell a BS belief system, with your footage being used to add some sort of credibility to the whole mess. How sad, and thanks again for pissing in the pool of legitimate research, all on the name of your ego and a few shekels. I hope it's worth it to you.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by davidbiedny]

[edit on 16-2-2007 by davidbiedny]

Originally posted by JH80

Are you saying that Canada and the UK do not use ANY of the same aircraft? In my opinion the video I posted is still important, the fact is that it shows a plane doing a similar thing to the "UFOs" shown in the OP's video.

NO NO not at all. I know they both have planes. The only thing I was hoping is perhaps and I say only perhaps your video had been shot in a near by location in Ohio.

Your 2nd video was very clear it was an aircraft you can tell when you hear the engines and that was a well done job on your part, it takes the guess work out of the picture.

David, you have an uncanny way of summing things up. Thank you.

You have voted davidbiedny for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

You have voted davidbiedny for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Speaking with my votes.

WHoaaa, that was some kind of post there Biedny.


Unfortunately I'm going to have to agree :/

I still wouldn't mind seeing your other footage Frozenthought.

Thanks David. Glad to hear another open minded person with research credentials speak up. Might be falling on deaf ears though.

davidbiedny you would get a WATS from me, if I had any left
Good work

Originally posted by davidbiedny
We're all supposed to bow down in awe of the AWE$OME footage, hey, it's on the FOX "news" channel, dammit, it's IMPORTANT.

Look, David Sereda, he's a RESEARCHER and a HERO, he says it's the bomb, man, it's REAL, it's a UFO.

I like your ananlogy David.

You forgot to mention his announcment of his upcoming radio appearance$.

Kind of makes one wonder where his objectivity is. Making promises another viedo is on the way, yet it never arrives.

You have voted davidbiedny for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

Originally posted by JH80

Hey JH80 where is the footage of it going over your head? I would like to see that

Here you go, still hot off the press...

youtube.com... [may not be live yet, please be patient!]

My other video (part 1) can be found on page 22 of this thread.

OK if that is the case and your is in England there is no need to even try. When you said similar I

thought you were impliying it was taken in Ohio or around lake Earie which is not the case. Thanks just the same.

Are you saying that Canada and the UK do not use ANY of the same aircraft? In my opinion the video I posted is still important, the fact is that it shows a plane doing a similar thing to the "UFOs" shown in the OP's video.

I have posted my second video (see above) which along with the first one all I have. I have given all of you all my data/evidence. I cannot do much more. Although I will continue answering any sensible and relevant questions.

I am intrigued by the video, I am just wondering Why did you post this video instead of the video that clearly shows it is a plane?

It's taken me a while to find the videos, I thought I had put all the videos onto a CD, I checked and there was no video of the plane flying overhead on the CD. I found it eventually, it had made its way into 'My Pictures' folder somehow. Anyway, I know it was a plane, it passed right over my head.

What did the footage you took the next day look like? were there more than two lights when it got closer? What did it sound like when it went overhead.

See the link above. Similar, although the plane was at a slightly different angle. You can just about make out three lights (look at the left light, and you will see). It is definitely the same object though. It even moves at the same speed as the object(s) in the OP's video.

If they can't get you with one single handle, then they bring in some sockpuppets.

Haha. I am certainly not a 'sockpuppet'... I like that word though.

Sockpuppets can indeed be used by using proxies.

Yes, a proxy will usually prevent you from identifying someone, but the Mods will know when someone is using proxy.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by JH80]

Regarding part #2, The second video looks nothing like mine? At first you can clearly see there are three set's of lights? and when it is visable from behind the tree you can clearly see strobing lights and whatnot? This looks nothing like my video.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by JH80

I think I have an explanation for the Lake Erie UFO video.

Nice one JH80. But I think we are telling Frozenthought nothing he doesn't already know. Despite the ovewhelming and irrefutable evidence that he has filmed nothing more than aircraft he still won't admit it publicly because it will devalue the footage and negate the veracity of any future UFO documentaries he is involved with. He still hasn't provided us with his 'house-sized orb entering the lake' video despite telling us he would do so. Such footage would at least claw back some credibility for him and give some credence to his claim that strange things are going on in the vicinity. I'm sure everyone remembers Ray Santilli's 10-year long unfulfilled promise to release verifiable frames of his 'alien autopsy film'. People waited and waited for something that didn't exist. Santilli knew they didn't exist and he knew his video would be valueless if the public found out. In the meantime we still wait and wait for Frozenthought's 'mind-blowing' orb footage!

I guess you didn't see the thread where i wanted to share the single Orb video here with people at ATS but was convinced by other members to not do so because we would have to keep it jest between us for the time being because I promissed David I wouldn't release anymore footage until the film is released? ATS members convinced me that I wouldn't be able to contaol keeping it private.

If somebody can accept a large 93 MB file, I would think about sharing with a few ATS members if I get your word it will not end up on Youtube for the time being.

Oh please send it to Defcon 5 if you can win him over you can do anything!

Originally posted by davidbiedny
Some more folks start to question the OP, asking some relevant questions about provinence, details regarding the sighting, trying to figure out what the deal actually is, and are immediately attacked and put down - in my own correspondence with Sereda, he inferred that I MUST be an NSA operative if I DARE question ANYTHING with respect to this footage. This coming from a guy who did a documentary about UFOs featuring Billy Meier footage mixed in with some genuine Mexican air force infrared UFO footage, along with some highly compelling Gordon Cooper testimony. Essentially, Sereda taints the useful evidence with crap, making the whole ball of wax less valuable, giving debunkers fuel for their work.

What a frikkin mess. It's pretty darn clear, thanks to the posts by folks like JH80, that these AWESOME lights are planes. Debate all you want. The earth is not flat, the moon is not made of cheese, these are not the droids you seek.


Michael Lee Hill, you might mean well, but this footage is bunk, and as others here have stated, I think you already know it. But you have an agenda, a biz deal with Sereda, and facts can't get in the way of the DVD release. And look at the cover of that DVD - FUD being used to sell a BS belief system, with your footage being used to add some sort of credibility to the whole mess. How sad, and thanks again for pissing in the pool of legitimate research, all on the name of your ego and a few shekels. I hope it's worth it to you.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by davidbiedny]

[edit on 16-2-2007 by davidbiedny]

David, I personally answered every single question you asked me, I'm the one who filmed it, why do you still go araound saying you can't get any info on the footage? I answered everything.

And after that you made it a point to go anywhere people were talking about the footage and say how you could get no answers when I had already answered everything you asked? Kinda strange don't you think?

As Far as JH80 video, his second video where it clearly shows a plane, that doesn't look like my footage at all, You can clearly see three lights, right off the bat, the next time you can see it you can clearly see there are strobing lights all over it.

This 2nd clip that is being used to Debunk my footage doesn't even look like what I filmed, i don't get it.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
If somebody can accept a large 93 MB file, I would think about sharing with a few ATS members if I get your word it will not end up on Youtube for the time being.

93 MB file? Ya, like that's gonna fit on youtube. That is irrelevant to this thread anyway. We are speaking about your self confessed "mind blowing" video posted, remember? Can you at least try to shorten the file anyway and make a new thread? I'm sure someone here would be more than happy to make it viewable.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by Xeros]

Originally posted by CthulhuRising
Oh please send it to Defcon 5 if you can win him over you can do anything!

Uh, No, They can kiss my a**, sorry but after all the BS they have slung my way, I will not be doing them any favors, Anybody that has been a half way decent person towards me and talked about this in a adult like way even if you diagreed with me, I will share with them and they can report back to what they see.

The rest can wait until it's up on youtube...Mid April.