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...The major controversy among Christians of the beginning of the third century was framed in terms of the differing views of Arius, the deacon of the church in Nicomedia, and Athanasius, the deacon of the bishop of Antioch.
the doctrine of Arius seemed more vulnerable to the charge by pagans that Christianity worshipped more than one God. That difference was an important one, and the controversy raged during the first decades of the third century.
When Constantine became the undisputed ruler of the entire empire in 324 CE, his immediate goal was to politically unify the empire. His intended means was to use Christianity as the institution through which ideological unity would be achieved. However, Christianity was, itself, divided in its theology.
Constantine then decided to have this controversy resolved once and for all by convoking a general council of the church at Nicea (in what is now called Turkey) in 325 CE. Of an estimated 1800 bishops throughout the empire, about 318 attended the council. Their mandate from Constantine was to achieve a consensus about the Christian doctrine of the Father and the Son. Constantine himself arrived on the fourth or fifth of July and greeted the assembly, urging them to find unity and eliminate the discords that existed among them. Their problem was to determine how to reconcile the divinity of the Son with the belief in one God.
In the end, the views of Athanasius carried the day, and the creed that was accepted by all but the hard-core supporters of Arius became the cornerstone of the orthodox Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
The divisions between the eastern and western churches continued for another sixty-seven years, before the Athanasian view was finally dominant. In fact, there were periods in which the Arian view seemed as if it might once again become the established theology. It was not until 392 CE that Arianism was finally put to rest. Until that time it was quite uncertain which view would actually become the established orthodoxy.
We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning. This is the cause of our persecution, and likewise, because we say that He is of the non-existent. And this we say, because He is neither part of God, nor of any essential being. For this are we persecuted; the rest you know.
Originally posted by Nebankh
So don't believe anyone who tells you that anything outisde the Bible is out of date, or that 'Gnostics' or 'heretics' forged anything - the contrary is more true...the 'Bible' was forged by force, by those who wished to become more powerful and set the dogma in place that is still thought of as having being 'original' and 'fact' - far from it!!
Read everything you can get your hands on and make up your own mind why things were left out
Nebankh
Originally posted by eyes2see
I reccomend a site called sacred-texts.com
It's a fairly "neutral" site, good for just plain ol' research. It has many of the gnostic/apochryphal books, the supposed "lost" gospels, and wealth of info on other religious texts as well.
Like Rob said, I wouldnt go searching for some "hidden truth", but rather, just see why certain books didnt make the "final cut".
I'm afraid you need to do a little research beyond the crumbs you are meant to find. I think it would be wise to understand that the Gnostic writings are an attack on the truth and were written outside the circle of the apostles. And yet they have names like the Gospel of Thomas even though it can be proven that they were written later. In summary, they baited the hook and you bit hard. Wake up.
Originally posted by sun matrix
I'm afraid you need to do a little research beyond the crumbs you are meant to find. I think it would be wise to understand that the Gnostic writings are an attack on the truth and were written outside the circle of the apostles. And yet they have names like the Gospel of Thomas even though it can be proven that they were written later. In summary, they baited the hook and you bit hard. Wake up
Originally posted by Nebankh
Who baited any hook that I bit? Have you any idea of the research I have undertaken, or do you assume I have only read crumbs because you believe you've read a whole loaf that I am not aware of or capable of finding?
How very presumptious
I see your conclusion and understand its error
if you look in the wrong place on the crumb trail left for you, you will draw the wrong conclusion.
where can I find the Gospel according to Jesus
or even
the Gospel according to Nimrod
Originally posted by Nebankh
The Christian writings people are taught today were written yesterday by comparison to the original comparative and non-comparative texts that are still being translated today, and the current 'Bible' being published today was re-written many times by a small number of people with an agenda.
Even a bald listing of real and hypothetical documents along with dates is woefully uncritical.