Secret labs found in Iraq

Here...explain this away also.....
"Iraqi bio-scientist breaks silence" (the woman dubbed "Dr Germ" and even "toxic Taha)



Link:
news.bbc.co.uk...

Excerpts:
"Dr Rihab Taha was head of Iraq's biological weapons programme for seven years, until 1995.

And she is top of the list of scientists the UN team want to interview.

I asked her if she was ashamed of her past work.

"No, not at all," came Taha's answer. "Iraq has been threatened by different enemies, and we are in an area which suffers from regional conflict. It is our right to defend ourselves." ....................

While she acknowledged research and development into biological agents, she insisted the regime never weaponised the bacteria it developed.

"We never intended to use it," she continued. "We never wanted to cause harm or damage to anybody."

But the facts are undeniable. Dr Taha's team grew 19,000 litres of botulinum toxin, a food poison that swells the tongue and suffocates its victim.

Two thousand litres of aflatoxin were produced, which causes liver cancer. And they also prepared gas gangrene, which causes skin to melt away.

UN weapons inspectors discovered munitions filled with these agents dumped in a river, proving they had indeed been weaponised.........

When a son-in-law of Saddam Hussein defected in 1995, the UN learned the truth about what was going on at al-Hakem.

But they have been unable to account for 8,500 litres of anthrax and large quantities of growth medium to culture germs.............

The inspectors want to talk to Dr Taha about small-scale biological production she is believed to have pioneered after the destruction of al-Hakem.

Intelligence sources believe small stocks of agents are held in laboratories hidden in lorries and trains.

An Iraqi defector recently told Panorama that he fitted out special "clean rooms" for biological weapons manufacture, describing filtration systems and confirming "everything is mobile now".

In the event of war, the labs could produce large stocks of agents to fill munitions.

These could be used against Western forces or even the Iraqi people if an uprising threatens the regime..................

Dr Taha rejects Hans Blix's assertions that there are gaps in the document, notably a failure to account for missing anthrax.

"We have been very transparent... It's just psychological propaganda to throw doubt on Iraq."

She was vague on why the UN and Iraqi accounts do not agree, saying that the inspectors calculation of the amount of anthrax they produced is unrealistic..........."


regards
seekerof

I don't want to sound like some glorifier of the Republican president, because I'm not...

Now that I've stated my disclaimer here's what I have heard from extremely reliable sources - and if you review any of my previous posts you'll see I am not one to just pass along rumors.

According to sources in both Special Forces and USAF intelligence, WMD's by the metric tons have indeed been found and are continuing to be found.
The findings are kept secret and will be released at an appropriate time - which tells me the release date of the information is based on political timing... there IS an election coming up after all~

Am I a gullible fool?
Time will tell.....

Originally posted by FULCRUM
What do you think about this?

Makeshift drone carriers?[Edited on 16-12-2003 by FULCRUM]

With the right long-range missiles, good technicans and ready-to-go bioweapons this could have been probably maybe perhaps true

There is a little truth in every story, I doubt what US media made of Saddam but his army was undoubtly equipped with more than a few AK-47's.

Originally posted by Seekerof
When a son-in-law of Saddam Hussein defected in 1995, the UN learned the truth about what was going on at al-Hakem.

But they have been unable to account for 8,500 litres of anthrax and large quantities of growth medium to culture germs.

I read several articles, even on FoxNews(biiiaas(tch) etc(I can't be arsed to recover those now :wow that the son really claimed that Iraq produced more than 10.000 litres of anthrax...which is what the US wanted to see destroyed

BUT

it is said that he also told the US that those litres have been destroyed shortly before he left the country - this 2nd part of his interview was made public last year or so. Somebody reminds that or knows a link to an article?
US media always feared those rests of anthrax but probably they were already destroyed.

Originally posted by intelgurl

Am I a gullible fool?
Time will tell.....

I trust intelgurl over both Saddam and Bush Jr.

She(?) hasnt lied to me yet once (at least i think she? hasnt..)



Time will tell.

Gotcha

www.commondreams.org...

Kamel said Iraq had not abandoned its WMD ambitions. The stocks had been destroyed to hide the programs from the U.N. inspectors, but Iraq had retained the design and engineering details of these weapons. Kamel talked of hidden blueprints, computer disks, microfiches and even missile-warhead molds. �People who work in MIC [Iraq�s Military Industrial Commission, which oversaw the country�s WMD programs] were asked to take documents to their houses,� he said. Why preserve this technical material? Said Kamel: �It is the first step to return to production� after U.N. inspections wind down

That's why I have always been against the last war on Iraq. They just used Kamels first comment that Iraq has produced thousands litres of anthrax but US media and Govs left out that he said it has all been destroyed.

I agree that keeping the blueprints ain't a nice deal as well

Edit: Article above is orginally from NEWSWEEK

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by shoo]

Well if the Anthrax and Botulism were just developed as reasearch, WHY SUCH A LARGE QUANTITY??? What did Dr. Taha think they were developing and using these things for? Camel food? Certainly not to harm anyone oh no...? I have never understood that argument! We made some agents just because we could and just because we made enough to decimate the population of **insert country here** we weren't REALLY going to use them!

Shoo, thanx for the information, but that report does not cover what has been found since...does it?
Does it explain the UN and Marine testing and reports concluding that Bio cmeicals were dumped into the river Euphrates? Does it explain away any of the still documented UN/UNSCOM reports of "unaccounted for" WMDs?

On a more humorous note:
Does it explain way what was found in Saddam's Brief Case:
(comedy relief)





regards
seekerof

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by Seekerof]

Where is Dr. Taha now? Anybody seen her?

She may have already passed away...she did have a diagnosed case of liver cancer.


regards
seekerof

LOL!!!!

Yeah, I'm sure they're saving their "discoveries" of WMDs till a better time. Haha! That's rich!

And oooh, omigod, they have Blueprints for WMDs! Dude, you can get some on the internet RIGHT NOW if you wanted to.


Bottom line, NONE HAVE BEEN FOUND. You're desperate to think that you haven't been totally misinformed by your lying government, but you're stretching sooo much. Kinda funny to watch.


j

Originally posted by intelgurl
According to sources in both Special Forces and USAF intelligence, WMD's by the metric tons have indeed been found and are continuing to be found.
The findings are kept secret and will be released at an appropriate time - which tells me the release date of the information is based on political timing... there IS an election coming up after all~

I can see this being true and quite typical of how things are done. What I don't get is the reason for such deception.

Why keep a secret that allows public support to drop, only to expose it later in hopes of regaining the support you already had?

By coming forward at the begining with proof of the claims being valid there would have been public support from the begining about the actions taken and no need for any last minute disclosure of evidence?

In fact, besides the Political-Mind Games you mention being sickening all on their own by creating unrest within your own homeland. It also leads to more questions about it's validity simply because it's been used in "Political Hidden Agenda" propaganda type ways. Evidence to support Military Invasion that comes almost a year late leads to ideas of it being Planted After the Fact to Justify a wrong move. This among other reasons seems to be pointless when it could all have been avoided in the first place and without losing support that now needs to be obtained all over again.

What am I missing???

Originally posted by Jakomo

LOL!!!!

Yeah, I'm sure they're saving their "discoveries" of WMDs till a better time. Haha! That's rich!

And oooh, omigod, they have Blueprints for WMDs! Dude, you can get some on the internet RIGHT NOW if you wanted to.


Bottom line, NONE HAVE BEEN FOUND. You're desperate to think that you haven't been totally misinformed by your lying government, but you're stretching sooo much. Kinda funny to watch.

Considering the way public support for President Bush and the war in Iraq have gone south, it's not surprising that they might hold this information until a little later. After the holidays are over, when the President has to give the State of the Union address, he can use this "news" to push forward on some new initiative, leading headlong into his campaign for re-election in 2004.

This is how politics works, Jakomo. It's not necessarily the actual events that matter, but the timing of those events.

Intelgurl is absolutely right about this. Whether you like it or not, that's how these things work when politics and politicians are involved.

Originally posted by mOjOm
What am I missing???

Look into the history of the current president's father's administration - He won the Persian Gulf war, had resounding popular support but it faded just in time for the election - enter the Clinton administration.

Now if Bush Jr were to go to any political analyst and ask what could be learned from his father's presidency and subsequent election loss - any political science buff would tell him;
it's all about timing to insure high popularity at the time of the vote...

Devil's advocate here: It may be partly politically motivated, but also they may be in the process of confirming for a fact that what they have found is indeed what they were looking for. They may also be hot on the case for more. We don't know what stages of this they are in. It may be premature for them to say "We got-em" ("em" referring to WMD's not "'im" referring to Sadam or whoever) without confirming stuff. Who really knows?

-P

Originally posted by mOjOm

Originally posted by intelgurl
According to sources in both Special Forces and USAF intelligence, WMD's by the metric tons have indeed been found and are continuing to be found.
The findings are kept secret and will be released at an appropriate time - which tells me the release date of the information is based on political timing... there IS an election coming up after all~

I can see this being true and quite typical of how things are done. What I don't get is the reason for such deception.

Why keep a secret that allows public support to drop, only to expose it later in hopes of regaining the support you already had?

By coming forward at the begining with proof of the claims being valid there would have been public support from the begining about the actions taken and no need for any last minute disclosure of evidence?

In fact, besides the Political-Mind Games you mention being sickening all on their own by creating unrest within your own homeland. It also leads to more questions about it's validity simply because it's been used in "Political Hidden Agenda" propaganda type ways. Evidence to support Military Invasion that comes almost a year late leads to ideas of it being Planted After the Fact to Justify a wrong move. This among other reasons seems to be pointless when it could all have been avoided in the first place and without losing support that now needs to be obtained all over again.

What am I missing???

One thing my Political Science professors always told me was that people have a short political memory.

-P

Originally posted by intelgurl

Originally posted by mOjOm
What am I missing???

Look into the history of the current president's father's administration - He won the Persian Gulf war, had resounding popular support but it faded just in time for the election - enter the Clinton administration.

Now if Bush Jr were to go to any political analyst and ask what could be learned from his father's presidency and subsequent election loss - any political science buff would tell him;
it's all about timing to insure high popularity at the time of the vote...

Seek, i know al these 'facts' and i never said that iraq never had wmdz..i just said, they not there..i know what the commision said and i read what blix said now..but what does it tell us, that they just tell the people whats convenient at the moment, if its true or not. Lets be honest, really nothing is found, these pics you show are just two pictures and then someone writes that its this and that and comes from iraq..The usa has wmd's, iraq had em and there are much more, iraq sold em maybe or really destroyed em, maybe 'they' hide em, or maybe the aliens took em but they not there..till i see em

This biogirl is more a joke i believe, never saw anything of what shes supposed to be able of :] i mean, stuff like that people grow in their fridge at home...


[Edited on 16-12-2003 by jozuph]

Originally posted by intelgurl

Originally posted by mOjOm
What am I missing???

Look into the history of the current president's father's administration - He won the Persian Gulf war, had resounding popular support but it faded just in time for the election - enter the Clinton administration.

Now if Bush Jr were to go to any political analyst and ask what could be learned from his father's presidency and subsequent election loss - any political science buff would tell him;
it's all about timing to insure high popularity at the time of the vote...

No better way to put it. It's all about keeping the "good news" fresh in the public's mind.

Holding this news for a few weeks gives him momentum entering the State of the Union Address, which should set the tone for his re-election campaign. Releasing the info now, it would be lost in the rush of the holidays.

His father's popularity faded because Desert Storm ended too early for it to carry him through a year and a half of lead-time to the next election. Having a stream of new info of a positive nature regarding the outcome of this war would better his chances for re-election.

There's less than 11 months until the election now. By the time the State of the Union rolls around, there's less than 10 months.

In some ways, this batch of Democrats looks like the one that Clinton rose from. Let's face it -- the media has protrayed these guys as a bunch of also-rans for the most part, just as in the lead-up to '92.

Some would say that Bush (41) lost to Clinton because of a "What have you done for me lately" attitude voters have. The current President would benefit greatly from a slow but steady stream of positive reports.

[Edited on 12/16/2003 by TheDemonHunter]

Very nice explanation!! By both Intelgirl and postings. That does make sense now.

I keep assuming that the general population thinks for themselves and use good decision making skills involving cross checking recent events which have been deliberately stored in their memory. I forgot that the majority of people only store things paycheck to paycheck and disregard anything older to make plenty of room for the "New Season Lineup" of Instructions to be followed, courtesy of The Corperate Caretakes as usual.

It makes sense though when you take things into account I guess. A little risky IMO but nobody seems to understand the way I think usually anyway. I'm guessing it will be along the lines of New Year Celebration to erase last years memories of suffering. Followed by the Bush Administration Term in Review Show which Highlights all the Neatly Organized Patriotic Moments we've all shared with Dubya over the past 4 years. Special attention toward Bringing Freedom to Iraq and Catching the Boogeyman Hussein. Then the final touch of Late Breaking News Coverage of WMD's found and the Successful Ground made in the War against Terrorism, both at home and abroad. Leaving just enough storage space to slip in a few final Re-Elect 2004 slogans as the final touch.

Awwwhhhh.....Psycho-Political-Programming is such soothing feeling isn't it!! Yessss......Thank you masta.....

Or something like that........

Well, back to blissful Consumer Living Now. Break Time is over....Gotta skip off to make them tax dollars again...See ya all next week......

Let's all just hope it's not lumped in with a conveniently timed mass "terror attack" before the election.