Black Caucus: Whites Not Allowed

logansrun I don't have to reread anything you think black people need their own groups such as this to level the playing field I just disagree I believe it creates seperation from the races there will always be racism as long as there is seperation.

Originally posted by Scrub
logansrun I don't have to reread anything you think black people need their own groups such as this to level the playing field I just disagree I believe it creates seperation from the races there will always be racism as long as there is seperation.

That is true. However, if you would read the posts you would understand the reasoning behind the need for the black community to have groups to further their interests. You are looking at everything for surface value. Not everything is black and white (no pun intended). For the record, I completely agree that separation fuels racism and bigotry. What do you suggest we do? Disband the NAACP and not allow a black caucus and all the black people living in poverty in run down, low income, under educated areas of town can just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?!?

Congressman Tom Tancredo (R) is suggesting just that. He wants to disband the black caucus and the Hispanic caucus. It's true that everyone has a little racism in them. No matter whom it is against. But I believe that the black caucus is extremely racist toward whites. Racism will forever be present in our culture unless we as people do something.

Fair is fair.
I vote for a White Caucus.
No other races allowed.
Let them have their Black Caucus and their Hispanic Caucus. I'm cool with that....
...but only if I get my White Caucus.
Equality for all races, right?

Originally posted by rocknroll
Fair is fair.
I vote for a White Caucus.
No other races allowed.
Let them have their Black Caucus and their Hispanic Caucus. I'm cool with that....
...but only if I get my White Caucus.
Equality for all races, right?

there's a difference
minorities are still recovering from exploitation and degradation
hell, we're hardly removed from the civil rights movement
and they are still minorities
the ones more likely to be exploited

i'll just sum it up
the majority shouldn't have a special caucus
they don't need it

it's quite simple

[edit on 1/26/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there's a difference
minorities are still recovering from exploitation and degradation

but many blacks portray the white man as evil
this is degrading me.....we degraded whites need a White Caucus
I'm sick of the current black generation blaming their current problems on my white ancestors who didn't even move into this country until well after their slave ancestors had arrived.

If you don't allow a White Caucus you are racist and discriminating.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i'll just sum it up
the majority shouldn't have a special caucus
they don't need it
it's quite simple

I don't agree, minorities are constantly attacking the majority.
I think the majority needs it's own special group.

Let me ask you something....
In the USA, if the minorities eventually outnumber the white man, do you think for one instant they'll allow the white man a special caucus? I don't think so at all (that'd be racist...even though the white man would be the minority).

[edit on 26-1-2007 by rocknroll]

Wow
Just because a group doesn't "need" something doesn't mean they shouldn't have it.
I find it funny the groups that fought so hard for equal rights would be so quick to deny the same for others.
As far as being "exploited" minorities routinly exploit other minorities.Ever hear of "black on black" crime?Why are the cities with the highest murder rates also the cities with the highest numbers of minority citizens?

Don't get me wrong;I see nothing wrong with helping out someone who is economically disadvantaged.To give someone special rights cause of the color of their skin is unamerican.
Dr. King,Malcolm X and others fought for equal rights not special rights.

Originally posted by shooterbrody
Just because a group doesn't "need" something doesn't mean they shouldn't have it.

Exactly! Who made a law that says a White Caucus cannot exist?
Show me the law?

Originally posted by shooterbrody
I find it funny the groups that fought so hard for equal rights would be so quick to deny the same for others.

I don't think it's funny, and I don't find it surprising either.

Originally posted by shooterbrody
To give someone special rights cause of the color of their skin is unamerican.

Amen to that! This special treatment **** has to end.
We're all equal. We all have the same opportunity to rise from nothing and become something. If you make the choice to not become "something", then that is your choice.

Originally posted by rocknroll
Wrong! They're rejected because scholastically they don't do as well in school.
If your grades suck, you don't deserve a scholarship. Check the Bell Curve.

The Bell Curve has been debunked, like, a zillion times. Go read a book.

"They don't do as well in school"? Ha! By the fourth grade, I was smarter than most of the highschoolers in the city, black and white.

(*still laughing at the crazy presumptions people make on the internet*)

Obviously, you know nothing about school funding because it's quite well-known that "white" schools receive more funding than "black" schools. So, yeah, how about we even out that playing field, and take some of the computers from their schools?

I didn't think so.

ps, I had to say something in response to this.

Amen to that! This special treatment **** has to end.

So now that you're no longer the recipient of the 'special treatment,' it has to stop?

How about, you deal with it, just like we did for 400 years? Equal treatment should go both ways, right? The good and the bad. So, when you start getting enslaved and lynched we can all jump in and do what white people did for all that time... Oh yeah, they were busying enjoying their special treatment. So, I guess, in this hypothetical world of full equality, I would sip a mint julip as you get beat. Enjoy!

[edit on 26-1-2007 by HarlemHottie]

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
So, when you start getting enslaved and lynched we can all jump in and do what white people did for all that time... Oh yeah, they were busying enjoying their special treatment. So, I guess, in this hypothetical world of full equality, I would sip a mint julip as you get beat. Enjoy!

There it is folks....
Thank you.

How about an Irish caucus? Do blacks, sorry, african americans realize that the Irish were the turn of the century "'n-word's" and that the slaves that the Irish immigrants died to free in the civil war were coming north after the war and taking the jobs from the Irish? Don't see them bitching now do you?

A black caucus is nothing but pure racism. Sorry.

[edit on 26-1-2007 by esdad71]

Originally posted by rocknroll
There it is folks....

There's what? A sarcastic response to unbridled ignorance?

I was using scarcasm to make a point, which obviously still stands.

You don't want true equality. You want black people to stop complaining.

Two very different things.

ps, nice dodge on the fact the your apparent source, The Bell Curve has been debunked.

[edit on 26-1-2007 by HarlemHottie]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Why in the world SHOULD a white guy be part of the 'black caucus'??

This is the second time today I have agreed with Nygdan, what's happening? But really, why would black people want a white person speaking for them? What is absurd is that people think otherwise. It would be different if blacks were the majority. Come on peeps.

AAC

does anyone understand the point of minorities getting a level playing field?

"whites" control this country
both politically and economically
even when they become a minority, they will retain the economic power
economic power also translates to political power

if the "white" man has the special privleges (such as better schools with more funding and resources)

remember, we're still only about a generation removed from segregation
which was definately an unfair treatment of one group by another...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
does anyone understand the point of minorities getting a level playing field?

"whites" control this country
both politically and economically
even when they become a minority, they will retain the economic power
economic power also translates to political power

if the "white" man has the special privleges (such as better schools with more funding and resources)

remember, we're still only about a generation removed from segregation
which was definately an unfair treatment of one group by another...

I believe we all start out with the same rights dont we?
You dont like certain schools....Move to better districts,or fight to make your districts better.
A generation removed from segregation...hmmm that means it legally no longer exists.Every one has equal rights.
Just about every ethnic culture can claim harm done to their people in the past;and to use that as an excuse is a diservice to those people.
I say it is a crutch.Rights in this country are not given by the color of your skin.
Asking for special rights because you are a certain color is garbage.Who more deserves a scholorship?A poor yellow child,a poor brown child,a poor red child or a poor white child?
How long is it going to take for people to realize what is important is not if your white,black,yellow,red,blue,purple...ect;what is important is that WE ALL are americans.

[edit on 27/1/2007 by shooterbrody]

[edit on 27/1/2007 by shooterbrody]

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
ps, nice dodge on the fact the your apparent source, The Bell Curve has been debunked.

It was debunked for a "reason".
The gap in achievement is about gap in attitude. Something the NYT won't mention.
Here's some reading for you:
www.nytimes.com...

www.nytimes.com...

web.archive.org...:/www.commentarymagazine.com/production/files/murray0905.html#_edn41

isteve.blogspot.com...

www.adversity.net...

www.amren.com...

www.vdare.com...

You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe.
Peace.


[edit on 27-1-2007 by rocknroll]

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
You don't want true equality. You want black people to stop complaining.
Two very different things.

HH, I'm not trying to be an ass, but equality means we're all treated the same. I've seen white people treat blacks like crap. I've seen black people treat whites like crap. I'm a gay celibate man and I've had straights treat me like crap. If we're all gonna be equal in eachothers eyes, then the complaining needs to stop? Make do and live.

There are lot's of successful black people out there. How did they make it? How do you account for this?

What exactly do you want, HH? List out what you want America to do for the African American. If you want us to relentlessly kiss your ass, it's not gonna happen? We don't even kiss eachother's asses. We complain too, about all kinds of things, and we don't always get our way.

I lost my job back in June. I have 22 years of experience in my field. I have been sending resume upon resume out. A couple interviews, but no cigar so far. Guess what? I'm white, and white people are beating me out of available job positions. And so are blacks and other minorities..............meh, my time will come. But, I'm not gonna sit around and blame someone else cause I have no work, or no one will hire me, or there's a conspiracy to not hire middle aged white men.


Grab life by the balls and go for it. You make of your world what you put into it.
As you sow, shall you reap.
Don't sow? Suffer and feel sorry for yourself..

[edit on 27-1-2007 by rocknroll]

Originally posted by esdad71
How about an Irish caucus? Do blacks, sorry, african americans realize that the Irish were the turn of the century "'n-word's" and that the slaves that the Irish immigrants died to free in the civil war were coming north after the war and taking the jobs from the Irish? Don't see them bitching now do you?

A black caucus is nothing but pure racism. Sorry.

[edit on 26-1-2007 by esdad71]

yeah nice language there. irish immigrants owned slaves too. where are the mods on this? you will never know what the black community went thru. irish may have been discriminated against, but to compare with what black people went thru, where do you get off? that is the stupidist thing i have ever read in my life. you sound pretty bitter toward black people based on your above post. yes, racism is still very alive.

Originally posted by rocknroll
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I lost my job back in June. I have 22 years of experience in my field. I have been sending resume upon resume out. A couple interviews, but no cigar so far. Guess what? I'm white, and white people are beating me out of available job positions. And so are blacks and other minorities..............meh, my time will come. But, I'm not gonna sit around and blame someone else cause I have no work, or no one will hire me, or there's a conspiracy to not hire middle aged white men.

well, we all have crap that happens, that isn't anyones fault. maybe you should change fields. for christs sake, i was a design major and now i work at a mortgage company. do i blame anyone? no. but as a white person, you already had an advantage. you may never understand that, but you did. i did too as i am a white man. and i understand that i had a better "leg up" than most people in black communities. am i proud of that? hell no, but i can do as much as i can to try to help the situation. this thread was about a black caucus that needs to remain black for the time being. people who are against this are not against it because a white man cannot join, but rather they all have their own prejudices or experiences that angers them with a minority group, perhaps even subconciously. this isn't about special treatment, its about repayment for centuries of institutionalized biggotry.

Originally posted by HarlemHottie


You don't want true equality. You want black people to stop complaining.

Two very different things.

[edit on 26-1-2007 by HarlemHottie]

well said!! i understand this as a white man, i wish more people could too. if you repeatedly hit a person and then stop, they cant just get up and think everything is fine. there has to be some consequences for what has happened. i am hoping within the next generation or two, this type of mentality will be wiped out. a lot of white people during the civil rights movement just wanted black people to just "stop complaining too", i cannot tell you how glad i am that they did'nt stop - they have every right to complain, and be outraged - through to this day.