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Does making things up qualify as a valid argument nowadays?
Originally posted by dbates
The Phylum that humans are in also contains buzzards, catfish, and even hippos. Still there are no fossil records or any ties that can show an intermediate state or a common state between a buzzard and a catfish. The differences between other phyla are even more extreme. There is no macro evolution, only mico changes within a species.
Sudden appearance and stasis. That is the essence of the fossil record that we have. These creatures appear, and they stay basically the same.The only natural selection is in the selection of fossils that scientist place side by side to try to prove this philosophy called evolution.
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by Dock6
WHAT was the very beginning of absolutely EVERYthing ? Has 'science' provided the answer? Nope.
Nothing comes from nothing. 'Science' knows that, but it doesn't stop 'science' from pronouncing nonsensically and illogically.
If EVERYthing began from one tiny spark ----- ask 'science' to tell you from whom, what, where, that spark emerged? But of course, 'science' CANNOT provide you an answer.
So until it can, 'God' (or whatever term you prefer) is still very much a contender. In fact, at the moment, 'God' is the ONLY explanation.
It may BE that the Multiverse and everything it contains (the 'scientific Theory of Everything) had its beginnings in one tiny bit of excreta expelled by something, somewhere.
Yes, our entire Enormous Everything may be no more than bacterial decomposition taking place within one nugget of poo that fell from the backside of something totally beyond our comprehension.
'Science' is still struggling to come to grips with the common cold.
I'm not expecting 'science' to arrive at anything near a believable explanation for the origins of All ----- not for quite a while at least.
:yawn:
Well, we can agree with something. Science probably won't come up with a 'theory of everything' for some time, if ever.
The rest is just a rant against the MOST powerful tool to understanding the real-world we have. Yes, science makes mistakes; yes, we don't not know everything; yes, we work at the boundaries of ignorance which means evidence does change our knowledge.
When private spiritual revelation can actually answer anything useful, then we might question its power.
As for god being the 'only explanation', it is actually a non-explanation.
Originally posted by Cuppy
reply to post by john_bmth
Yeah, that seems pretty reasonable. Better then the universe appearing for no reason and no matter to make it from.
Now you're just insisting on insulting people until they give up and you can boast a victory.
Originally posted by Cuppy
Originally posted by dbates
The Phylum that humans are in also contains buzzards, catfish, and even hippos. Still there are no fossil records or any ties that can show an intermediate state or a common state between a buzzard and a catfish. The differences between other phyla are even more extreme. There is no macro evolution, only mico changes within a species.
Sudden appearance and stasis. That is the essence of the fossil record that we have. These creatures appear, and they stay basically the same.The only natural selection is in the selection of fossils that scientist place side by side to try to prove this philosophy called evolution.
Wow. Best way to put it I've seen yet.
No argument has been put forth to explain why these creatures have not changed in any way except for passing of small bits of knowledge, such as chimpanzees making spears. Any one want to shed some light on this?edit on 24-5-2011 by Cuppy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
Do you believe the Zombie Lord's dad (Pappa Zombie Lord) instead created the universe?
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
Do you believe the Zombie Lord's dad (Pappa Zombie Lord) instead created the universe?
I believe a higher power (external outside force) initiated the creation of the Universe which in turn initiated the creation of all you see.
B.T.W. thanks for ignoring my questions. I see you are not here to debate but mock... So I will be ignoring you until you grow up.
Originally posted by uva3021
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
Life is the culmination of the differential aggregation of Hydrogen over 15 billion years.
Originally posted by uva3021
So the creation of Hydrogen requires a force infinitely more complex than the universe?
Originally posted by uva3021
Seems rather superfluous, and contradicts the evidence.
Erroneous observations and theories would be ignoring science because of personal disbelief. You are just making grand assumptions. Again, everything is Hydrogen. There is no reason to think anything existed before Hydrogen, otherwise, and you have probably heard this argument many many times, you reach an infinite regress of creation. Which is unnecessary and superfluous.
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
What evidence? You mean erroneous observations and theories?
Originally posted by john_bmth
Q: You believe that the entire universe just appeared out of thin air (figure of speech), from absolute nothingness for no reason at all?
A: Reason is a very human phenomenon. I do not believe there is a "reason" for existence in any shape or form, I believe you are anthropomorphizing the nature of the universe.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Q: You believe in magic, but not a magician.... You believe absolute nothingness can pull a non-existent rabbit out of a hat made of nothingness....
A: Your analogy is ridiculous as your argument is circular. "The universe was created, you are therefore stupid for not believing in a creator. My proof of the creator is the fact that the universe was clearly created".
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by Cuppy
reply to post by john_bmth
Yeah, that seems pretty reasonable. Better then the universe appearing for no reason and no matter to make it from.
Now you're just insisting on insulting people until they give up and you can boast a victory.
Insulting? If my phrasing sounds ridiculous, that's because it is. People who rise from the dead are called 'zombies'. Christians believe they drink the blood and eat the flesh of their Zombie Lord. Don't be insulted by my words, take it up with the Bible.
But in any case... no, I do not find the idea of Pappa Zombie Lord magicking the universe into existence to be in any way plausible.
Originally posted by uva3021
Erroneous observations and theories would be ignoring science because of personal disbelief.
Originally posted by uva3021
You are just making grand assumptions.
Originally posted by uva3021
Again, everything is Hydrogen.
Originally posted by uva3021
There is no reason to think anything existed before Hydrogen, otherwise, and you have probably heard this argument many many times, you reach an infinite regress of creation.
Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Really... so what is the reason magnets attract and repel? What is the reason light travels so fast? Oh wait, I guess I am anthropomorphizing the nature of the universe now.. forgive me....
Originally posted by john_bmth
No YOUR analogy of a bearded man in the sky snapping his fingers was ridiculous... My analogy, which was mocking your ridiculousness, was the ultimate question of the entire Universe and science, which is a paradox and inherently circular by nature.... You should know this... it's a shame you do not...
You seriously believe that something came from nothing... and that is beyond ridiculous and much more ridiculous than thinking a higher force or power was involved (conscious or not).
I never once said "you are therefore stupid for not believing in a creator", nor did I say "my proof of a creator is the fact that the universe was clearly created" ... What you just did was completely make up a false and highly prejudice assumption of my beliefs and my argument from thin air, similar to how you think the universe came into existence.
If you want to even try to debate me I suggest you don't make up things from thin air and accuse me of saying them.
Yes, I will now continue to ignore you as I see a debate with you is not going to end well.
Originally posted by dbates
The Phylum that humans are in also contains buzzards, catfish, and even hippos.
Still there are no fossil records or any ties that can show an intermediate state or a common state between a buzzard and a catfish.
The differences between other phyla are even more extreme. There is no macro evolution, only mico changes within a species.
Sudden appearance and stasis. That is the essence of the fossil record that we have. These creatures appear, and they stay basically the same.The only natural selection is in the selection of fossils that scientist place side by side to try to prove this philosophy called evolution.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Christians believe they drink the blood and eat the flesh of their Zombie Lord. Don't be insulted by my words, take it up with the Bible.
Originally posted by john_bmth
But in any case... no, I do not find the idea of Pappa Zombie Lord magicking the universe into existence to be in any way plausible.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
That's not what that would imply. It would mean that the common ancestor is found in the step above that classification of the phylogenetic tree. There is a common ancestor, it would be an early vertebrate...of course, you'd have to go damn far back to get there.