Bin Ladens 'Trial'.

Just suppose the United States got their hands on Osama Bin Laden. In which country do you try him? I think he is actually a Saudi or Yemeni or something but most people believe he is an Afgani. Where would he be tried?

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I think that he would just be killed when he was found. Either we would kill him, like by bombing the location he was located at, or he would come out shooting and get killed that way. I think he would choose suicide over a trial, plus by choosing suicide by attacking us would be the way he would want people to see him go I would think.

Originally posted by superpaul55
Just suppose the United States got their hands on Osama Bin Laden. In which country do you try him? I think he is actually a Saudi or Yemeni or something but most people believe he is an Afgani. Where would he be tried?

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Try him for what? The 1998 Embassy bombing?

www.fbi.gov...

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

USAMA BIN LADEN



CAUTION

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

You're living in a dream world if you were talking about a trial for something a bit bigger.

I'm not living in a dream world. The Americans have to capture him and give him a trial. They need to prove themselves more just and ethical than their enemy. Its not a dream world by any means. To be honest I don't really understand what your getting at? Could you explain a bit further please.

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Bro, they would never take him to trial because they're afraid of what he would say, like incriminating certain high US officials who he used to work with in the 80's. If you believe OBL attack US soil, you need to change the direction of your inquiry to find out the real truth. Please.

AAC

Let's face it. The gov't knows where he is. He is living "fuel".

They have facial recognition apparati, and they admittedly bombed a group that was performing what they thought was terrorist activity (turned out to be a wedding). This was located by a drone craft.

I remember some CIA twit getting on the news when the hunt began saying they couldn't even do proper number estimates on a crowd of people. They were then inundated with free code from interested parties that did just that, and then some.

It's my belief his whereabouts are known, he is monitored, and he "provides" the necessary "turning of the wheels" for the War Machine.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I'm not living in a dream world. The Americans have to capture him and give him a trial. They need to prove themselves more just and ethical than their enemy. Its not a dream world by any means. To be honest I don't really understand what your getting at? Could you explain a bit further please..

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I asked you a question first, Paul; Try Bin Laden for what? September the 11th? You can't even indict him for that, let alone bring Trial.

Look at the F.B.I link I posted. Do you not notice something missing?

If Americans need to capture people and give them a trial, then why do they keep bombing their suspects from the sky? Prove ourselves more just and ethical than the "enemy?" I thought you said you weren't living in a dream World? America, Britain, Israel, and several others have proved that they are just as unjust, unethical, and foul as any 'Enemy' that has ever existed on this Earth.

Wake up!

They would prefere to capture him than kill him. I am awake. You suggest they don't have evidence to try him, that really isn't the issue at hand. It is quite obvious they do or will. He is a 'leader of terrorism' and you can hang for that. May I ask you, for what crimes did Saddam hang? We all know the real crime he commited - he opposed the United States.

I will tell you what Bin Laden CAN be tried for, whether it is true, false or justified is totally irrelevent:

September 11.
US Embassy Bombings.
Supporting Terrorism.

and in addition:

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

If you believe this is not enough to 'try' him on then you my friend live in a dream world. I catagorically have no interests in the various conspiracies surrounding the 'war on terror'. Where would you try him.

I have noticed the FBI consider him a Saudi Arabian.

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Originally posted by superpaul55
He is a 'leader of terrorism'

Heh. "and he attacks us because he hates our freedom!"

Originally posted by superpaul55
May I ask you, for what crimes did Saddam hang? We all know the real crime he commited - he opposed the United States.

Uh crimes against humanity, much? How about gassing his own people and destroying parts of his own country? Using chemical weapons on Iran and executing POWs.

Loads of nations are opposing the US at the moment, I don't see them being invaded. Saddam actually did some real bad stuff lol if you think 'opposing the United States' is bad you should check up on what else he did!


As for Bin Laden, yeah they could try him and kill him for September 11th, but that doesn't mean he actually did it!

Originally posted by superpaul55
You suggest they don't have evidence to try him, that really isn't the issue at hand. It is quite obvious they do or will.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's not me suggesting that they don't have evidence against him, it's the F.B.I.

The FBI confirmed in a recent statement (July 2006) that "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on the Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because "the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"

Originally posted by superpaul55
I will tell you what Bin Laden CAN be tried for, whether it is true, false or justified is totally irrelevent:

September 11.

Just stop right there.

Rex Tom, FBI Director of Investigative Publictiy stated in this regard that

“The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

It would seem that whether the accusations are true, false, or justified does hold some relevance after all. How can he be tried if he hasn't been formally indicted or charged? Do you even understand the laws of your own Country? (I presume you're a Yank?)

Originally posted by superpaul55
and in addition:

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

Impersonating the F.B.I is a Federal offense.

Originally posted by superpaul55
If you believe this is not enough to 'try' him on then you my friend live in a dream world.

You are again quite mistaken. In the case of the Embassy bombings, yes, there is a case for trial. But concerning September the 11th -- neither you, the F.B.I, nor the D.O.J have got anything -- by the F.B.I's own admission.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I catagorically have no interests in the various conspiracies surrounding the 'war on terror'.

Obviously you do, because you're sitting here on abovetopsecret.com making threads asking people where they think Bin Laden should be tried. It doesn't matter whether you still somehow think Bin Laden and his band of CIA trained Terrorists are responsible, or whether you think another group should be held accountable, as it's a conspiracy either way. Look the word up in a Dictionary if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by superpaul55
Where would you try him.

I have noticed the FBI consider him a Saudi Arabian.

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Why is it even remotely your concern where I would try him? Why is it relevant? All that matters is that he's not tried alone as a scapegoat for an act that he clearly has not orchestrated himself. I've seen far bigger, uglier Fish out there.

Turn your mind control device off (commonly referred to as a 'Television'), put your glasses on, think for a damned minute -- and you'll see them too. I promise.

"Why is it even remotely your concern where I would try him? Why is it relevant?"

Because thats the topic of the thread? That could possibly be why, couldn't it?

I don't enjoy talking or having a discussion with you. You think you have some sort of intellectual birdseye point of view on everything. This viewpoint is at such high altitude the clouds you are surrounded with have rendered you unable to see the question written on the ground. I understand you can see the picture I supposedly cannot. Stop yelling at me telling me facts. I'm not interested in facts, just like the politicians aren't.

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I love the movement of truth and the hatching of minds into reality. You guys rock!

OBL should not be tried on principle. Transportation Sec Mineta's testimony offers some of the only solid evidence for perpetrators, and it points to Cheney.

I have to agree with the others who say that he will not be found alive. Most likely, were we to find out where he is, a bomb would be dropped. Dental records and DNA would show the match. Makes much more sense than sending in a squad through a cave or village in the middle of Pakistan teaming with hostiles. After Tora Bora, I don't think that the US will rely on help from local soldiers under the guidance of Green Barets to get the guy. A missle from the drone will do the job nicely, thank you.

Originally posted by superpaul55
"Why is it even remotely your concern where I would try him? Why is it relevant?"

Because thats the topic of the thread? That could possibly be why, couldn't it?

My reply was obviously aimed at the topic of this thread too, not just your repeating of this question aimed specifically towards me several posts later.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I don't enjoy talking or having a discussion with you. You think you have some sort of intellectual birdseye point of view on everything.

I'll bet you don't, Sir, I'll bet you don't. Despite my best efforts to contain myself, I'm generally not an overly pleasant person. I'm a negative, drunken Creep, and I'm stoned. I'm a catastrophic failure. I have failed at every single level -- except for my Writing. I never fail with my writing, even when I blatantly plagiarize Kurt Cobain on a popular conspiracy discussion forum.

"But why? Why do you reveal this to us now? Why this unexpected, self-pitying digression?"

Because this isn't about me, that's why. You have ignored everything I have presented and you have turned this into a deal about me.

Originally posted by superpaul55
This viewpoint is at such high altitude the clouds you are surrounded with have rendered you unable to see the question written on the ground. I understand you can see the picture I supposedly cannot. Stop yelling at me telling me facts. I'm not interested in facts, just like the politicians aren't.

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You're not interested in facts? How do you know my 'intellectual birdseye point of view on everything' is wrong if you're not interested in facts? Dare I ask you if you prefer fiction instead? I don't want to turn this into a thread about you now, but my question has certainly been deemed necessary to the topic due to this somewhat self incriminating development.



-- Que warnings of 'stay on topic' by certain aggravated persons within the Moderation. --

If American forces got hold of Laden then he would be dead and not kept alive for trial.

Held aloft as a trophy and a warning to all other terrorists that they are not safe either, thats how I reckon it would go.

Why would you want to give your most wanted terrorist a platform to become another martyr, why want to parade him on world tv just so he can propagate another 1 million people to join the terrorist army, thats my reason for killing him when and wherever he is found...........if he is still alive that is ????

Wolfie

They'd try him at Gitmo - wouldn't release that footage.., or would they?

Leadership doesn't happen because someone desires a position and creates it but because a popular void or need creates someone to fill it.

For all the figure-heads that have come and gone and grace our history books and public squares with their rhetorical hyperbole and set-jaw stares - baby, you're just over-blown.
lol

I really don't want anybody to prove this is a conspiracy to me, thats why I'm not interested in your 'intellectual birdseye point of view'. I actually don't want to know if its a conspiracy. Simple. The majority of the population don't believe it is, George Bush is aware of this, so where would he try Bin Laden.

I don't think they would try him in Saudi Arabia personally. They would need to find some small foreign country in which he had commited a crime. Possibly one of the countries in Africa.

Originally posted by superpaul55
Stop yelling at me telling me facts. I'm not interested in facts, just like the politicians aren't.

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This staement is why you are getting zero respect on this thread. You act like you don't want to see something that is su gigantic that it's practically sitting on your face, instead of recognizing the suffication, you try to peak around the corner and ask a ludicrus question that has little to go on.

Are you just expecting other people to be like you and ignore the obvious, so that you don't have to surrender to the fact that your government is nefarious?

I am seriously blown away by your position.

AAC

Look, I don't believe my government. Not a #ing word. I was told that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. And he doesn't. I have absolutely no idea how much further these lies go, Bin Laden could be a damn reptile for all I know. I haven't come here to be enlightened through the religion of conspiracism.

I am trying to have a guess how America will stage manage the trial of Bin Laden and asking for some opinions.

What position are you blown away by. I said the majority of the population believe Bin Laden is evil etc and it wouldn't be hard to try him. I am trying to figure out where in which country he is guilty and would face trial. Not whether he will be caught or not. I said if he is caught.

I think you could try him in the hague or something possibly.

Originally posted by superpaul55


I have noticed the FBI consider him a Saudi Arabian.

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Bin Laden was born in Saudi Arabia.

If the US captured him and decided to bring his to trial, I am sure his legal council would challenge his capture as being illegal.