Million doller question...

I hope this is posted in the right foum..

I just spent about half an hour typing this and it didnt post for some reason so i'll try again and I hope im posting in the right forum..

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are of where everything came from.. planets, suns, etc.. etc.. ok theres the theory of the big bang but where did everything that was put into the big bang come from? and if you believe it started off as something very very small that expanded and expanded... what created that first spark?...

Also... we know that the universe is expanding.. but what is it expanding into? does space go on forever and ever? I know space doesnt have any matter but surely this cant go on forever? or can it? and if it can.. how and why..

I dont expect many answers to this but id be interested in hearing any thoughts from those who read this.

two main theories, either the universe will keep on expanding until it just grows cold and all energy is expended or it will recollapse on itself.

Here is a good website with a lot of universe Q&A.


Cosmology Q&A

If you are really interested then you may want to invest in a few Stephen Hawking books





[edit on 15-1-2007 by kokoro]

Good grief, I wonder about this all the time!

Forget optimism (Glass half-full)
Forget pessimism (Glass half-empty)

Let's be realists (What the hell am I drinking???)

I always ask the Big-bangers and creationists this kinda stuff:

To the Big Bangers: What was there 5 minutes before the Big Bang?
And: If the Universe is constantly expanding, what's 5 feet past the farthest point?

To the Creationists, I ask this: What was God's recipe? Did we turn out good? Are we REALLY the intended dish? And, again, what was there BEFORE the cake (us) went into the oven?

Both parties tend to agree on this. They both tend to say "Nothing".

NOTHING!?!?

SOMETHING had to be there, my mind can't wrap itself around "Nothing".

It's something that completely flabberghasts me.

I did ask Michio Kaku on his MySpace page, but alas, no answer yet.

Ohhh to know the truth of that little tidbit.

Cuhail

Cuhail,

I am a big banger and a creationist, wrap your mind around that!

Gonna watch this thread closely

Those are definately questions that are interesting to think about.
I'll answer in order, with what I consider to be what's what.

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are of where everything came from.. planets, suns, etc.. etc.. ok theres the theory of the big bang but where did everything that was put into the big bang come from? and if you believe it started off as something very very small that expanded and expanded... what created that first spark?...

The stars and planets developed through stellar evolution over
billions of years.

There was'nt anything put into the big bang, rather some form
of matter, some particle poppedinto existance and created a
massive chain reaction that started the big bang which created
all the Matter, Dark matter and everything else in the universe.

I don't think anything created the spark, rather it just happened,
now obviously when you think about it, the chances of something
just popping into existance seems astronomically small, however,
consider that the emptiness, that is what existed before the matter
universe existed for a timeless interval, so it was the eventual
outcome.

Also... we know that the universe is expanding.. but what is it expanding into? does space go on forever and ever? I know space doesnt have any matter but surely this cant go on forever? or can it? and if it can.. how and why..

Honestly, I have no idea, it's something that I've thought about
for a long time, what is beyond the universe.

I believe that the universe is infinently large, but at the same time
is a finite object, imagine a ball that's say a 5 foot sphere measured
on the outside, but the inside is much larger, even infenently large
inside.

Space has matter, space is made of matter, in fact there is no true
vaccuum in space, as that would require there being no molecules,
atoms or particles, but even in deep intergalactic space there are
some atoms and molecules.


I honestly don't know if I'm right, but it's what I think makes the
most sense compared to the excepted theories, it may be that the
universe has always existed, and this is just one of the many forms
it has taken over time.

[edit on 1/15/2007 by iori_komei]

Originally posted by Cuhail
I did ask Michio Kaku on his MySpace page, but alas, no answer yet.

Michio Kaku has a MySpace page?

Wow..

Am I like the only person that has'nt created one?

dude i beleive in a multiverse now thats head popping lol

Originally posted by kokoro



two main theories, either the universe will keep on expanding until it just grows cold and all energy is expended or it will recollapse on itself.

Here is a good website with a lot of universe Q&A.


Cosmology Q&A

If you are really interested then you may want to invest in a few Stephen Hawking books

[edit on 15-1-2007 by kokoro]

Ahhh great link(Completely sincere)! It leaves me believing I have to stop wondering about Universal Theories and stick to M*A*S*H re-runs!


You get Murphy's "Answer of the week" award!

Next question (half-silly, half-sincere):
If you are in a spaceship going 5MPH slower than the speed of light, and you put your arm out the window and shoot a pistol ahead of the ship, will the bullet EVER leave the Gun?

...

How's that for a noodle-scratcher, smarty pants?

(Well ya came up with such a great answer on the above subject, ya might get this one off my back as well!)

Thanks!
Cuhail

Originally posted by iori_komei

Originally posted by Cuhail
I did ask Michio Kaku on his MySpace page, but alas, no answer yet.

Michio Kaku has a MySpace page?

Wow..

Am I like the only person that has'nt created one?

Yes, I believe you may just be,
and Yeswww.myspace.com... " target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Michio Kaku MySpace Profile



Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail
If you are in a spaceship going 5MPH slower than the speed of light, and you put your arm out the window and shoot a pistol ahead of the ship, will the bullet EVER leave the Gun?

Ok, I know, it was'nt asked of me, but it would speed up untill it
was going 99.9999% the spedd of light, so it would look like it
went and exceeded the speed of light, but it's just going slightly
under it.

Atleast that's how I've had it explained.

But...follow me here, I've never condensed this from thought to words, so:
We'll say, for arguements sake, an atom, a (I could be flipping them around) proton with an electron orbiting it is the "Bottom" of a ladder and as you go up the ladder you simplify to that example, while going larger in scope.

Earth= Planet with moon orbiting it
Solar System= Star with planets orbiting it
Galaxy= Center cluster of stars with star systems orbiting it
Universe= A center with galaxies orbiting it


Why would it not continue as such with something BIGGER with Universes orbiting it?
And so on, and so on, etc.

Am I way off here in my wonderment?

Cuhail

Im a muslim believing in a multiverse.

Originally posted by Cuhail

But...follow me here, I've never condensed this from thought to words, so:
We'll say, for arguements sake, an atom, a (I could be flipping them around) proton with an electron orbiting it is the "Bottom" of a ladder and as you go up the ladder you simplify to that example, while going larger in scope.

Earth= Planet with moon orbiting it
Solar System= Star with planets orbiting it
Galaxy= Center cluster of stars with star systems orbiting it
Universe= A center with galaxies orbiting it


Why would it not continue as such with something BIGGER with Universes orbiting it?
And so on, and so on, etc.

Am I way off here in my wonderment?

Cuhail

This is part of my question of.. 'what created everything'

These answers are really interesting btw..

I know it goes smaller and smaller and smaller but there must be a limit to how small it can go.. ?

I believe we are trapped in the lower 3 dimensions of a much larger set. Much like a leaf floating on the ocean, we are only aware of the 'surface' of existence, when in actual fact there is much more that we cannot comprehend, below and above us.

I believe that in 3 dimensions our universe is infinite and loops back on itself. It is a self contained area that is impossible for us to escape from in our 3D form. We exist on the equivalent of the surface of a giant 4D balloon.

I believe in the big bang theory, but that it was a created process. I also believe that humans play a much more important role in this universe than we give ourselves credit for. I believe we are more than 'meat'.

I believe that because the requirements for the universe's existence are so 'in tune' and specific that it is more than an accident. Its almost as if it was created to exist. If not, then there must be infinite other universes with slightly different variables, because the odds of our universe existing right now and being the only one are basically impossible.

Originally posted by Cuhail
Next question (half-silly, half-sincere):
If you are in a spaceship going 5MPH slower than the speed of light, and you put your arm out the window and shoot a pistol ahead of the ship, will the bullet EVER leave the Gun?

Well no, becasue your arm would have been torn off when you stuck your arm out of the window long before you could fire the gun

Originally posted by Cuhail
Why would it not continue as such with something BIGGER with Universes orbiting it?

Been discussed in science many times before, and yes, there's a strong belief in multiple universes. Now... where and how they exist is something else (multiverses, brane intersections, etc, etc.)

This reminds of the question i asked as a child which was "how did everything come to be". The answer i got was god. God made everything, but then i asked who made god. The answer was "he has always been". Not a very good answer but about as good as any answer to "where did everything come from". I dont belive in god and i dont have a clue how anything came into existence. I guess i can accept that all matter in the universe just was but its such a simple answer to an huge question it doesnt feel right. its perplexing when trying to think about what is beyond the universe. What is beyond the universe? Is there anything beyond the universe? Is it never ending? Are there parallel dimensions? The million dollar question only creates more questions and the answer to most of them is we will probably never know.

Here is my theory:

At the beginning there was no material, just thought.
Thought was shifting around the void.
Actually, thought is void.
Thought was very fast and thus no material existed.
Suddently, for some reason, thought started slowing down, slowing down,
slowing down untill, froze and made the particles.
-...,
-quarks (i don't know about spelling),
-electrons,
-atoms,
-moleculs,
-chemical combinations,
-tangibly objects,
-asteroids,
-planets,
-universes,
-...

Question:Can you tauch an atom?
Answer:No
Question:Can you see it?
Answer:No
Question:What Schrondiger saw in his equation? Material?
Answer: Waves not material
Question: What is wave?
Answer:force
Question:What is force?
Answer: Force is an influence, a thought. Something intelligible. We cannot see it, just understand it through emotions, thoughts

But thought is spinning and along with thought, time is spinning. Sometimes, tangles itself with space and we have black holes.
Still there is thought, and though decelerates and freeze. and creates material among the planets. Space is not empty This is a slow procedure, for us, but for space it is all in a good time. All in harmony created.

Now though, has gone too far, decreased too much and space is cold. So though wants to warm up itself and creates sun, light (see bible). Sun is created. Sun is warm and heat the universe. Thought need the balance between cold universe and warm universe. Life should create life as thought creates thought. So life is the balance, the moderator. Life is God.

Question:Isn't it a little far-fetched?
Answer: I agree, but look a norm on how science can be combined with religion

Dragon

Cuda,
Yeah, Amen (Puns regarding Atheists, pg 223 ) on the "Universal Kid Shutter-upper" being God did it. Being raised Catholic and being 100% Irish, any questions to Ma usually resulted in:

BECAUSE GOD DID IT!!! NOW MAKE ME A MARTINI! (Ma was tired by now, I was her 8th kid)

I'm not an Atheist, but, I seem to be reaching more and more towards Agnostic every day. (or, maybe thats my political affiliation)

Well no, becasue your arm would have been torn off when you stuck your arm out of the window long before you could fire the gun

Well, duh, I'd use TWO hands!!!

Cuhail