I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by Lunica
Hi Sleeper,
One thing is not that clear for me. How do you place extraterestials versus guides (as in spirits).
It seems to me you talk a little they are the same.
Correct?

Hi Lunica,

The complexities of managing a planet with nearly seven billion people on it require a regiment of specialized entities. Some are guides some are family some are machines some are simply visitors and tourist---but the vast majority of ETs are involved in stuff few can ever imagine because it’s not for mankind to know.

Originally posted by starwatcher1
Hi Sleeper..
Please don't let these people get under your skin. I am positive there are hundreds if not more who read your thread and really enjoy it.

I for one wish that you wouldn't "dumb" it down, many of us are ready for some hard facts, what ever they may be.
I saw just do it....and if they aren't willing, let them go elsewhere.

Hi star,

It only bothers me when a “book burner” feels the need to keep others from reading material they don’t like---where do these people come from?

Most of the knowledge that eludes humans today had at one time been written down on stone, papyrus, and good old paper----and now the internet. Yet meat heads of old and of new continue to try and stop the written word. Certainly this is not always the work of humans, but many humans willingly participate in obstructing knowledge out of pure unadulterated ignorance, envy and hate.

Originally posted by PPLwakeUP
Like I asked Menguard I would like to ask you what do you think about Menguards ideas and answers?

Regretfully I don’t monitor his thread as much as I would like but I don’t think our views differ much

Originally posted by meller
Is there such a thing as "luck", and do ETs influence it? Are they able to manipulate what we would perceive as "random" behavior?

You have heard the saying that “we make our own luck”, lot of truth in that---but then again it seems like plenty of slackers sure get lucky without ever trying or deserving it.

There are things going on behind the curtain and stage props to evoke hidden emotions in all of us---and luck is a tool used by ET

Random is not random even in drive by shootings

Are ETs assigned thousands of souls to manage at a time?

Some are

What are the rules for this behavior?

They have no rules as we understand rules

After a soul's assignment is completed, would the assigned ET be responsible for the next incarnation of the soul?

At upper levels they sometimes remain involved.

Originally posted by moderndayHanSolo
sleeper
do the black ops control the usa/?????? war machine?, and are they they affiliated with the men in black?

Hey Solo,

Yes and yes

Hey sleeper,

I vaguely remember what menguard thought about your opinions and I think I understand now why you don't believe me. Basically my friend told me that menguard was in the same position as him and I. So I think, the same thing that they experienced was showed to them in a different way then it did you, or you're in a totally different situation. What do you think?

Sleeper,
Black or white, true or false, yes or no.
For my self I have always found the need to not allow gray area’s when it comes to seeking the true or building a belief system. If the Christians are right the Jewish faith has it all wrong, If Buddha was right they are booth wrong. If Sleeper speaks the truth Mengaurd does not. If Darwin was right they are all wrong.
Now I understand that all roads can lead to the same destination sooner or later, but when it comes to the pure truth of the source of life and death is it not true that it is impossible for there to be two sets of truths?

When the pre-assignment "overview" is given, is more than one possible future detailed? Do ETs predict the future among themselves or do they just let our lives play out as they do? To what extent do we have free will if ETs are involved? After a life is played out, and the soul leaves the body, what does the soul retain from the experience?

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by zenfish

Since I’m not talking with the rocks and the leaves but other humans I kind of try to focus on what humans are doing here---the rocks, leaves, animals and insects are not being tested and are not really an issue that concerns human souls.

The human pain and suffering is mostly due to the fact that most people don’t believe they are any more important than the rocks---but we are.

Hi sleeper,

Does not caring for the rocks and trees, etc., and seeing them as living fit into living a life of integrity? The shamans of past and present who do have conversations with these things felt they were very important and not just for our selfish use. They are to be used by us, but not disrepectfully.

Do you think they could talk to them and receive meaningful answers about how to live as humans because they do represent, or derive from, eternal realities, as you mentioned somewhere?

I'm not necessarily a tree hugger, but the view that everything, other than humans, is just meaningless material for our use doesn't seem right to me. It seems to me that integrity would involve being somewhat of a caring custodian of the environment we share in.

Originally posted by Kappo
Hey sleeper,

I vaguely remember what menguard thought about your opinions and I think I understand now why you don't believe me. Basically my friend told me that menguard was in the same position as him and I. So I think, the same thing that they experienced was showed to them in a different way then it did you, or you're in a totally different situation. What do you think?

Hi Kappo,

It’s really not for me to tell anyone what they should believe, or what they know to be true in their lives.

But if you ask for my opinion or perspective then that is what I give.

Originally posted by tommyknockers
Sleeper,
Black or white, true or false, yes or no.
For my self I have always found the need to not allow gray area’s when it comes to seeking the true or building a belief system. If the Christians are right the Jewish faith has it all wrong, If Buddha was right they are booth wrong. If Sleeper speaks the truth Mengaurd does not. If Darwin was right they are all wrong.
Now I understand that all roads can lead to the same destination sooner or later, but when it comes to the pure truth of the source of life and death is it not true that it is impossible for there to be two sets of truths?

Hi tom,

Every dimension has its own truth and there are many dimensions.

In our reality one truth does not fit all----and it never will---have you ever tried to change anyone’s truth for them?

But that was not your question---you narrowed it down to life and death.

So what is the ultimate source of life?

Darwinism contributed to the reawakening of secularism in the Western world and gave legs to Humanism but Darwin himself believed god was the source of life.

So whether one believes life originated via Mother Earth or from some cosmic unknown god the one truth remains the same----it don’t matter what one believes because everything came from the cosmic unknown including the earth and everything on it.

And that’s where everyone and everything will return to.

Originally posted by meller
When the pre-assignment "overview" is given, is more than one possible future detailed?

You are going on the premise that the gods know every possible outcome therefore why waste time with any particular soul?---Because it is the soul that needs to know what it is made of and what it needs to accomplish, and how.

Do ETs predict the future among themselves or do they just let our lives play out as they do?

They step in often

To what extent do we have free will if ETs are involved?

We own “all” of our choices---if you make the home run your coach doesn’t get the credit you do.

After a life is played out, and the soul leaves the body, what does the soul retain from the experience?

Every soul learns a little bit more about itself during each life.

Originally posted by zenfish
Hi sleeper,
Does not caring for the rocks and trees, etc., and seeing them as living fit into living a life of integrity? The shamans of past and present who do have conversations with these things felt they were very important and not just for our selfish use. They are to be used by us, but not disrepectfully.

Hi zen,

We use tools to build things with, a hammer and saw to build a house but the tools don’t become the house.

Without wood we don’t have a desk to write on, without a forest we don’t have the wood to build the desk.

Therefore we should be prudent with our material things---but things make life easier that’s all.

Do you think they could talk to them and receive meaningful answers about how to live as humans because they do represent, or derive from, eternal realities, as you mentioned somewhere?

People talk to their plants all the time, I don’t, but I have had discussions with my hammer in the past, when it hit my hand instead of the nail---the hammer maintains that it was all my fault---to this day!---there is no reasoning with a hammer!---

I'm not necessarily a tree hugger, but the view that everything, other than humans, is just meaningless material for our use doesn't seem right to me. It seems to me that integrity would involve being somewhat of a caring custodian of the environment we share in.

Well I am a tree hugger, when my neighbors aren’t looking anyway---

This life would suck without natural streams forests and lakes---and we still have those things because of people with integrity---

And there are people with integrity on both sides of that environmental and highly political issue.

Originally posted by sleeper

Darwinism contributed to the reawakening of secularism in the Western world and gave legs to Humanism but Darwin himself believed god was the source of life.

So whether one believes life originated via Mother Earth or from some cosmic unknown god the one truth remains the same----it don’t matter what one believes because everything came from the cosmic unknown including the earth and everything on it.

"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real" -Charles Darwin

In other words, Darwin didn't think natural selection alone could explain genetic evolution. Something else was tampering with things.

Hello Sleeper.

Thanks for your comments.

I ran across an interesting story, and was hoping you might comment on it. Is there anything, more or less, conspiratorial, about this that we should know about? Was this action 'alien' inspired?

China: No reincarnation without permission.

Seems like the Chinese government has made reincarnation without their prior authorized permission illegal in China. So folks, or aliens, etc., have to get a permit and pay a fee before they can reincarnate in China?

Is this kind of thing common on other worlds throughout our galaxy? In other words, do other 'governments' (or alien authorities) on any other planets also follow this policy?

I thought I'd seen it all, but this takes the cake.

Thanks again.


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Originally posted by sleeper
In our reality one truth does not fit all----and it never will---have you ever tried to change anyone’s truth for them?

But that was not your question

Actually it was my question. And looking back on my post it appears I was attempting to drive a wedge between you and Mengaurd. I apologize to both of you for that. That’s the last thing this thread and forum needs.
I think I am going to have to stick with the simple concepts like “do the right thing 100% of the time”
I get hit with this hundreds of times a day and fail over and over. If I can’t figure out how to be kind loving and caring to the people that love me most, namely my wife, how will I ever grasp the concept of multi dimensions and truths? I think I am going to need everyone of those 50 lives to get a hold of this a-hole gene.

By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

reply to post by Rudolph_X

The Chicoms are up to their usual mischef with the Dalai Lama. Thanks!

Originally posted by Rudolph_X
I ran across an interesting story, and was hoping you might comment on it. Is there anything, more or less, conspiratorial, about this that we should know about? Was this action 'alien' inspired?

We will see more of this as nations and leaders seize the “high” ground of popular culture and beliefs. Leaders of the past and of the present have harness the “god” angle and were successful because a majority of the people already believed the concept

The paranormal is becoming the norm and third world non democratic countries will be the first to jump into those waters because they can

There is a faction of entities that are promoting this bizarre behavior

China: No reincarnation without permission.

Seems like the Chinese government has made reincarnation without their prior authorized permission illegal in China. So folks, or aliens, etc., have to get a permit and pay a fee before they can reincarnate in China?

No offence to the Chinese people but reincarnating in China where living conditions for the vast majority are at best miserable and therefore not on anyone’s wish list, so I doubt anyone would pay for that privilege.

It’s kind of like buying redemption from sins; the papacy of old did very well selling redemption coupons to their wealthy patrons---still do

Is this kind of thing common on other worlds throughout our galaxy? In other words, do other 'governments' (or alien authorities) on any other planets also follow this policy?

Well lets put it this way we are not the only bad apple in the basket.

I thought I'd seem it all, but this takes the cake.

This is the cake of the future for this apple as religion was a few centuries ago

Sometimes it’s best that governments keep denying the existence of the paranormal and ET, rather than embrace them and becoming the authority and mouthpiece for them.

Originally posted by tommyknockers
I think I am going to have to stick with the simple concepts like “do the right thing 100% of the time”

If it was easy the payoff wouldn’t be so fantastic

I get hit with this hundreds of times a day and fail over and over. If I can’t figure out how to be kind loving and caring to the people that love me most, namely my wife, how will I ever grasp the concept of multi dimensions and truths? I think I am going to need everyone of those 50 lives to get a hold of this a-hole gene.

You hit the nail on the head---and even if your wife was the culprit the change in you would turn her around ---so it’s a win win deal. The sooner you bite the tongue the quicker the return on investment---why the hell wait 50 lifetimes when you can enjoy life starting now?

Sleep paralysis. What exactly is it? My friend gets it occasionally and is completely conscious of his surroundings but is completely unable to move. He sometimes regains control for a while and then falls asleep due to increased fatigue, and then upon waking up again the paralysis returns. Usually happens on Sundays or Saturdays, almost every week.

In an experiment, I tried to project my vision in order for him to receive. When he tried to connect, he had an out of body experience where describes feeling "lighter", and more conscious of his energy. He immediately felt intense fear, and stopped focusing. Why do ETs create this phenomenon?

Also, is more than one alien species responsible for creating human bodies on earth? Is it allowed for us to know which species created us? To whom (of them) can we turn when we have an intense calling for more information?

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