I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by sager
in my opinion, you are one either way. my higher self tells me you are are making this all up.

If this happened to you, do you think anyone would believe you? Put yourself in his shoes. So far, there has been no evidence of Sleeper lying, but if you choose to believe that, then continue to do so.

Originally posted by sager
in my opinion, you are one either way. my higher self tells me you are are making this all up.

Hello Sager.

Thanks for your comment.

I wouldn't say he is making it all up. Your statement, to me, seems like 'wishful thinking', where you wish he is making it all up. And, so do a lot of other folks. (Most folks don't like being scared to death by some freaky little aliens.)

Now, Einstein made up his theory where E equals MC squared, right. Then they split the atom and boom! Just because somebody might make something up doesn't necessarily mean that it is not true. Whatever you do or don't make up, reality is reality, right? But, according to quantum physics it is what you 'make up' that is truest of all. What is seen depends on the seer. Perhaps the reality you see is the reality you get? But, anyway...

I've made a few post here, and I will admit that sometimes, a poster will have the tendency to sort of play things up a little more than what they actually were, for dramatic effect, sort of exagerate, a little, like I did on my last post. Where I said I had thousands of nightmares, ok, so there were only 2, or maybe just even 1. Perhaps the story was not true in its entirety, but, as they say in Hollywood: "It was based on a true story." Sometimes imagination runs away, and I know folks, like fishermen telling about 'the one that got away', have a tendency to make the stories a little more entertaining than they really were, for the purpose of providing better entertainment for the reader, that's all.

I'm not so sure about Sleeper, whether he exagerates or not. But, I'll admit, sometimes, I do. After all, this is not a courtroom and our posts are not sworn testimony. This is ATS. Nobody here took any oaths, to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help us God... like they do on TV?!

Hey, I might have embellished my story, a little, but the bacic central core of it was true enough for me.

And anyway, what 'higher self' are you talking about? Why don't you tell us a little more about your 'so called' higher self? Let us see if you can tell your story without any exagerations. Stories without a little 'imagination' in them are mostly too dull to bother reading.

Thanks again.


[edit on 8/18/2007 by Rudolph_X]

My question is: Is there such a thing as human creativity? Are true artists inspired from within, or from without? To do the former would seemingly be the ability create something from nothing. If ETs are responsible for all that, then we've been in a lot more contact than most people realize.

Originally posted by Rudolph_X
I'm not so sure about Sleeper, whether he exagerates or not.

Hi Rudolph,

Do I exaggerate? Quite the opposite, I dumb down so much of the stuff I have seen and experienced it’s hardly worth posting.
And still I have to suffer moronic insults from numbskulls such as sager---I’m not sure why people like me even bother---the biblical parable such as “don’t cast pearls for the swine to trample over” certainly applies---

And anyway, what 'higher self' are you talking about? Why don't you tell us a little more about your 'so called' higher self? Let us see if you can tell your story without any exagerations. Stories without a little 'imagination' in them are mostly too dull to bother reading.

When sager speaks of “higher self” he speaks of getting on a stepstool---

Hi Sleeper..
Please don't let these people get under your skin. I am positive there are hundreds if not more who read your thread and really enjoy it.
I for one wish that you wouldn't "dumb" it down, many of us are ready for some hard facts, what ever they may be.
I saw just do it....and if they aren't willing, let them go elsewhere.
Just my 2cents.

Originally posted by meller
My question is: Is there such a thing as human creativity? Are true artists inspired from within, or from without?

Who created the hands and the mind that facilitates creativity? Souls borrow everything including creativity

We do in fact call these things “gifts” because they are gifts.

To do the former would seemingly be the ability create something from nothing.

Most everything we do is for nothing---but it helps pass the time away---nevertheless we need to put effort into what we do otherwise nothing at all will happen.

The effort is what is important. And if you get some enjoyment from doing it that’s a bonus

If ETs are responsible for all that, then we've been in a lot more contact than most people realize.

Humans are in constant contact with otherworldly entities---you can’t spit without hitting one.

i don't want to believe sleeper is lying but it's true; in fact I would love it to be true. When i say my higher self, I mean my inner guidance.. my inner voice. I ask a question in my head during meditation and wait for a response. I do it almost every time I meditate and the results are great. Think what you guys want, but sleeper is lying. Most of you who have been following this from the beginning will refuse to believe this..however, I just hate to see people put their trust into such a phony. Menguard is the only genuine user on these forums; you can trust him.

Hello folks!

Can't we all just get along?

We all know that some folks are just plain savages. Just look at the Goths and the Vandals, etc., how they sacked the sacred city of Rome, back in bygone days. Some folks just aren't happy unless they can come stumbling in and smash everything to bits, and spoil all the fun for everyone else, just like a frustrated clueless drunken sailor.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone, but there is no need to insult folks and provoke outrageous behavior. Why make a scene when you can be part of one?

Who let the savages in, that's what I'd like to know?

Throw the bums out!

I've been thrown out of lots of places, and banned, etc., and eventually I learned how to behave properly in civilized company, and now I try to maintain good behavior, etc., even when its hard to do.

Thanks!

PS: Menguard? Never hear of him. The name sounds like some kind of underarm deodorant? (No offence intended.)

Ok, folks, the show is over. You may resume civilized discourse at your pleasure. (Or, go watch Tiger Woods on TV.)


[edit on 8/18/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Hi Sleeper,

One thing is not that clear for me. How do you place extraterestials versus guides (as in spirits).
It seems to me you talk a little they are the same.

Correct?

Thanks.

(Great thread, its good people get to know more about the interaction between souls etc...)

Originally posted by starwatcher1
Hi Sleeper..
Please don't let these people get under your skin. I am positive there are hundreds if not more who read your thread and really enjoy it.

I for one wish that you wouldn't "dumb" it down, many of us are ready for some hard facts, what ever they may be.
I saw just do it....and if they aren't willing, let them go elsewhere.
Just my 2cents.

Well Mr. Starwatch. Make outrageous claims, be prepared for skepticism. Mr. Sleeper could very well be telling the truth, just as he could not.

I have not been keeping up with this thread. But I do follow it somewhat. Infact, I didnt bother reading the first page. I just responded to the title and what I thought about ET's and such.

As for sleepers claims, I hadn't a clue what he was talking about until my initial response to this thread. And his claims do seem outrageous to say in the least, though many of the details are in shades of gray to me.


[edit on 18-8-2007 by West Coast]

i suggest this thread if you are looking for honest and truthful answers

www.abovetopsecret.com...





admin edit: removed snide, childish remark...

[edit on 8-18-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by sager
i suggest this thread if you are looking for honest and truthful answers

www.abovetopsecret.com...

if you just want to hear more bs.. continue on here.

If there isn't a significant amount of sperm extraction I don't believe in it.

But seriously folks, there's no juice in that thread. Just more namby pamby spiritual talk. The actual spiritual work of getting over emotional baggage with no excuses takes real inner fortitude. It's all blood and guts to the ego who has to surrender to doing the right thing. It ain't pretty, in my opinion. To me, it seems that sleeper is doing a good job of that and has helped me see things a little clearer. About the ETs, I have no idea. Until I consciously experience that how could I ever know it to be true or not? I have a hunch though.

Originally posted by sager
i suggest this thread if you are looking for honest and truthful answers

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hello Sager.

Thanks for your comment.

Yeah, I just checked out that link. After reading the first post, I clicked the favorites button. Seems like the thread might contain some interesting stuff. One has to keep an open mind about these things. Even when it is not my kind of music, I still say, "Let the band play on." How can you know if you like a song or not if you don't listen to it, right?

Looks like lots of mystic mumbo-jumbo... (I like the crazy avatars on that thread.)

Thanks again.


[edit on 8/18/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Originally posted by sleeper
Hi Rudolph,

Do I exaggerate? Quite the opposite, I dumb down so much of the stuff I have seen and experienced it’s hardly worth posting.
And still I have to suffer moronic insults from numbskulls... ---
I’m not sure why people like me even bother---the biblical parable such as “don’t cast pearls for the swine to trample over” certainly applies---

Hello Sleeper.

Thanks for your comments.

The old Bboards of years gone by were really tough. On ATS you only get a few detractors from time to time (not as bad as in the good old days of unmoderated threads where they roamed freely like wolfpacks), but it is worth it to put up with them, that's the price you pay for helping the other folks who really appreciate your stuff.

Thanks again.


[edit on 8/18/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Originally posted by sager





i don't want to believe sleeper is lying but it's true; in fact I would love it to be true. When i say my higher self, I mean my inner guidance.. my inner voice. I ask a question in my head during meditation and wait for a response. I do it almost every time I meditate and the results are great. Think what you guys want, but sleeper is lying. Most of you who have been following this from the beginning will refuse to believe this..however, I just hate to see people put their trust into such a phony. Menguard is the only genuine user on these forums; you can trust him.

Sager I personally asked Menguard in his thread if his beliefs were in line with Sleepers guess what he replied.

I quote
Sleeper and I share a lot of the same views, just through different perspectives.

So please don´t talk for Menguard.
I advise you meditate and seek another source lol

Sleeper please continue like you have been doing for a long time people like Sager will keep coming and leaving.
Think about all those thousends reading your posts your are are giving them food for thoughts that´s whats important.
I know from my own experience 5 of best friends are now readers of your and Menguard threads.

Like I asked Menguard I would like to ask you what do you think about Menguards ideas and answers?

Nando out!

[edit on 8/18/2007 by PPLwakeUP]

i'm sure their many of their beliefs may be in line which each other... and some of the stuff sleeper says in this thread is logical, but going on a journey to other worlds and being seduced by alien women? that's nonsense; his good story telling abilities are getting the best of everyone. the only source i have is my inner voice and I trust that way more than the ravings of sleeper. you guys can all go against me, but I know I'm right.. Anyways, i'm done with this thread now. also, why was I warned.. the quoting? sorry about that.




[edit on 18-8-2007 by sager]

Originally posted by sager
i'm sure their many of their beliefs may be in line which each other... and some of the stuff sleeper says in this thread is logical, but going on a journey to other worlds and being seduced by alien women? that's nonsense; his good story telling abilities are getting the best of everyone. the only source i have is my inner voice and I trust that way more than the ravings of sleeper. you guys can all go against me, but I know I'm right.. Anyways, i'm done with this thread now. also, why was I warned.. the quoting? sorry about that.

[edit on 18-8-2007 by sager]

Hello Sager.

Thanks for your comment.

You might be better off by starting to read it from the beginning. By the time you get current, you'll probably have a different point of view. Oh, and you should read the blog at least 3 times, as well. Good luck.

Thanks again.

Is there such a thing as "luck", and do ETs influence it? Are they able to manipulate what we would perceive as "random" behavior?

Are ETs assigned thousands of souls to manage at a time? What are the rules for this behavior? After a soul's assignment is completed, would the assigned ET be responsible for the next incarnation of the soul?

sleeper

do the black ops control the usa/?????? war machine?, and are they they affiliated with the men in black?

Originally posted by sager
i'm sure their many of their beliefs may be in line which each other... and some of the stuff sleeper says in this thread is logical, but going on a journey to other worlds and being seduced by alien women? that's nonsense; his good story telling abilities are getting the best of everyone. the only source i have is my inner voice and I trust that way more than the ravings of sleeper. you guys can all go against me, but I know I'm right.. Anyways, i'm done with this thread now. also, why was I warned.. the quoting? sorry about that.

[edit on 18-8-2007 by sager]

Hi sager,

I think you might be throwing out the baby with the bathwater because someone had a pleasurable encounter with a sperm extractor. Who here said they believe everything sleeper says? If you want to proclaim that sleeper is a fraud so you don't appear a fool when sleeper's crazy, outrageous, out of this world, story is proven false go ahead. But what if it's true and you have the opportunity to ask the guy some questions? I'd rather been seen a fool and ask the dude some questions. What's the harm in asking a few questions? It's up to each of us individually to determine whether what he says has any value, or not. For me the life philosophy is gold man. The ET thing doesn't ultimately matter. Why skeptics go balistic is something they'll have to work through. It's not my problem.

I can't know whether sleeper is telling the truth on the ET stuff because it is not in my conscious experience. But, I do know that some of the things he says about life rings a loud loud bell saying "pay attention! This guy knows some #!" Then it's nothing but pleasurable learning. And if a playboy bunny sperm extractor comes with the deal, I'm all for it. From my point of view it could easily be just as true as false. I have no idea. But, I'm not willing to throw away an opportunity to learn something valuable because of some outlandish adventures mixed in with it. Have you ever read any myths? Crazy #, but dealing with life truths. Do you believe the outlandish tale that menguard is connecting to some universal consciousness that has all the answers for your personal life? I don't. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff in any body of information. Some of it is useful for you, some of isn't. It's up to us as individuals to determine that for ourselves. After some of the trips I've been on I'm willing to say anything is possible, but I wouldn't bet my hard earned money on anything I haven't actually done.

zenfish