Osama Bin Laden arrested by FBI in Brooklyn?

Originally posted by talisman
I am talking about, Land Line Call's, Cell and emails. Have you verified this with any third party?


[edit on 28-1-2007 by talisman]

No, I don't think I can call her phone company and ask them whether their client has really called the FBI on August 12th, 2006.

Talisman, are you maybe a disinfo agent, dispatched to disturb the very process of finding the truth about Leslie's allegations against the government of the United States of America? ;-)

Just kidding. But what exactly are you trying to do here, talisman? Being sceptic? That's okay for me. But please be reasonable. I said earlier that Akareyon is a person as real-life as John Lear or the other member who wrote a book (forgot his name). You can re-read the first pages of this thread, look up my MySpace account and see that I wear glasses and waist-long hair, listen to all sorts of music, read a lot et que je parle trois langues. I left my complete address in another thread on ATS. You can even google Akareyon, stumble over literally dozens of forums I'm a member of, compose a mindmap profile about me and eventually find my website to do a whois on the domain, call me at home and ask me personally if Leslie and I are the same person or if I support her just for the heck of it. I hope that you don't seriously think I'm so stupid to lie openly about a topic as serious as this. Maybe I'm being gullible and naive sometimes, that's another thing altogether. But I hate when people call me idiot without using the letters i, d, o and t.

I'm not allowed to give away clues about Leslie's identity, so I won't post a thing as personal as a phone record on the internet, please get over with it. Thank you for your appreciation :-)

And rest assured: I'm still on the sceptic's investigative side. Next step I'll take is ask my neighbor from Afghanistan if he could do me a favor and translate the arabic websites Leslie mentioned in her blogs to find out what hussain7's forum is all about. But I'll not go so far and ask Leslie for a blood sample so I can test her DNA to verfiy she isn't a disinfo alien.

[edit on 28-1-2007 by Akareyon]

Originally posted by talisman
Akareyon,

So utlimately there is NO 3rd party agreement on any of this? It is still Leslie supplying the only info?

Sorry, we're cross-posting at the moment :-)

I am curious as to why she is hiding her *REAL* name?

She answered that question earlier than page 5 of this thread, I think

She says she approached the news but they didn't bother with this, if that is the case why is she hiding her *REAL* name?

I don't think so. If you re-read the thread, even the admins of ATS know her real name.

If this was me, and I was trying to gain some legitmacy to my story, I would contact the news, then I would contact alternative sources of news.

Like Alex Jones and Michael Moore, both of whom didn't react so far.

I would use my real name.

I guess she did, can't tell for sure, though.

If she is telling the truth, the FBI would already know who she is, so why is her real name not out there?

See above.

I still maintain the the biggest hole in her story is the timeline and the things she is saying.

She tells the FBI that she isn't sure, but that they should rush on her info before he can leave the country?

I don't know about you, but if I were to find the philosopher's stone, I'd be a little over-exited too.

Firstly, the FBI can't react on a tip, where some-one says they aren't sure.

...except when the FBI has had some good leads already.

Second, what did the FBI do? Pay the entire Police Station off? You can do a sudden raid, but the Police have to be notified, the area has to be sealed. If they came in secret and left in secret, that takes a bit of planning.

IF they were going to do this in secret, they would stake the place, bug it, bug the phones, watch the movements, they would try and find out how armed the people are inside.

Remember Waco? Do you honestly think, Al'Qaeda would go down without a fight?

Can anyone here give me examples of armed Al'Qaeda going down without a fight, especially if they are protecting Osama?

So you would assume the FBI would think this as well.

Also the FBI might suspect he may have some weapon of mass destruction, so acting in such short time like she says they did is an obvious lie. That is just common sense.

Valid points indeed! But hey, four days is long enough to plan a raid, even if you expect armed resistance. About the WMD... I don't think Osama was sitting on a nuke either. He had minions who blew themselves up, remember? 72 virgins and stuff.. I don't think he was too eager to meet them yet.

The time frame is too short.

Don't think so.

I don't like the way we are getting info as well. As I recall she was to give an exact address, was asked for an exact address, when air complained he couldn't investigate it without one, she later gave some address in Brooklyn.

I couldn't verify this yet because airtrax doesn't want to post more pictures, but I guess it was the same adress that is stated in the emails she forwarded to me.

So originally it was an area, then after an address. That is suspect.

Not in the grand scheme of things.

Just for the record and timeline and logs and stuff... it's 5:28 in the morning and I'm off to bed. Good night, talisman, cya tomorrow :-)

Akareyon

What is your personal belief as to why she is hiding her real name? That is my question. The FBI would already know who she is, usually when people have a story to tell they go to the news, if they don't accept it.

They go to alternative sources, like Alex Jones or other alternative news outlets.

But hiding your name is kind of strange, don't you think?

Also, haven't you heard the latest?



Bin Laden

Bin Laden Alive, Active Says Algerian Group

a militant Islamist group in Algeria says Osama bin Laden gave formal approval this week for the group to change its name.



In a statement issued by the Algerian Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC), the group -- now known as "Al Qaeda Organization in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb"-- says it had to await bin Laden's personal review for the name change and has now received it.

Members of jihadi forums have noted that the new statement shows bin Laden is alive and well.

In a recent statement, al Qaeda's No. 2 Ayman al Zawahri indicated he was in touch with bin Laden.

Now, if different groups that are connected are talking about Bin Laden as alive, his second in command Ayman al Zawahri now admits, he has had recent contact with Bin Laden, it gets harder to sell the ....He was arrested! or He is dead! BTW Slvia Brown the Psychic said he was dead for a couple of years now, well we saw how accurate she was

Now, these are muslims, and they are fanatics, but they usually are truthful about their own members when it comes to their lives, whether they are alive or not.

The group that changed its name, can only get this from Bin Laden, they can't do that on their own.

We heard back in 2005 a Taleban commander admit that both Bin Laden and Omar were alive and well.

Well, recently we saw half of his story come true, as it was confirmed that Omar is indeed alive.

So there is no reason to doubt the Taleban commander, and there is no reason to doubt what we recently heard either.

Unless of course we abadonned reason and start believing Leslie, and then start believing everyone except for her are lying!

Isn't that un-reasonable? To assume everyone else is lying, except for Leslie?











[edit on 28-1-2007 by talisman]

Now I know for sure that you're a disinfo agent

Let me apply some sceptic's logic here: isn't it suspicious

- that this thread went on and on since December 28 and was eventually moved to Skunk Works because nobody believed her (and nobody is going to take anything too serious in this forum)
- that on January 25th I am able to post a first exerpt from the evidence Leslie provided
- that on January 26th ABC news reports that "Although he has not been seen or heard since last July" (sic!) Osama allowed an algerian militant group to be part of the franchise brand Al Qaeda - at least according to that group
- that on January 28th I post a complete log and timeline
- that minutes later you post a link to that article, as if you had been waiting for me to call you a disinfo agent
- and that there is no link on the ABC page to the post "News About Sheikh Osama" as it is common on the internet?

Seriously though - thanks for the heads up!

Now I REALLY gotta sleep.

[edit on 28-1-2007 by Akareyon]

Akareyon,

It occurs to me that the only person that does believe "The Leslie Powers' Story" is yourself. If theres anyone else, they are being awful quiet on the subject.

I like the way you dismiss Talisman as a disinfo agent. Its easier that addressing his arguments. It shows your true colors.

Im not sure if you are involved in this Hoax, but if your not i truly feel sorry for you. Otherwise, let me know when the book comes out.

CT

Akareyon

The timeline is much too short. IF it was an operation that is to be kept secret then yes, there isn't enough time.

How do they deal with, people in the area, the police station, their own FBI agents, not everyone would keep such a thing a secret.

IF this was the case, they would wait for a moment he left the building, and then in secret, but even then, it would be difficult.

Remember the FBI didn't know Bin laden didn't have a weapon of mass destruction, or a dirty bomb, if they found out he was hiding in the STATES, their first reaction would be '''What the hell''' he is probably going to go down in one big explosion.

Anyone would think this, and there has been a lot of talk about dirty bombs.

This is Osama, not some normal person, the time-line is too short.

And there still no good reason, if she had these contacts with the FBI why on the morning of the 12th is she calling a main number. That in and of itself makes her look like a serious liar.

It could be she contacted the FBI with the hopes of spinning this tale, or for some other reason, but this is a hoax.

As for the length and time of the thread, I feel it is very important, silly stories like her's un-checked get mixed into the 9/11 truth movement.

The sooner you stop them, show them for what they are the better.

So far todate, She is the sole source of information, no-one has come forward, the police know nothing, now there is talk of Bin Laden being alived.

In order for this story to be true, everyone has to be lying, and the only truthful person is Leslie, who most likely is either a disinfo-agent, or someone who started a hoax even while they contacted the FBI.

I lean toward a hoax, since there are very childish things that I read in her story...

I believe this individual may be Osama Bin Laden. I am the same person
>that tipped off about the operative in brooklin. I beleive there are safe
>houses in Brooklin where they hang out before a plot emerges. I believe he
>likes to oversee the disaster personally. I have uncovered strong evidence
>that this is the name he is going by. Someone by that name came into
>brooklin a few months before 911 and a few months after 911. Please check
>this out quickly before he has time to leave the country, if in fact it is
>him. I assume he has probably shaved his beard in order to fit in. This
>person has been here since March.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like complete nonsense.
"I believe this individual may be Osama Bin Laden"

"I am the same person
>that tipped off about the operative in brooklin"

---AS IF THE FBI DIDN'T KNOW----

"I have uncovered strong evidence "
"
if in fact it is
>him. I assume he has probably shaved his beard in order to fit in"

She believes it 'MAY' be him, doesn't include the 'strong' evidence, but I guess the FBI just assumes that it is, then she thinks she is telling them something they dont' know about the 'shaving of the beard'.

I mean, come on. This really sounds like the product of someone who is very young.

So based on this tip, we are to believe the FBI just then went into operation secret mode, shut down the POLICE somehow, and made sure no-one talked in the area, and in their own force?

There is something called a probability factor, and that is fast reaching the factor of zero.

This is a complete hoax, the motive or reason I don't know. I worry that this is disinfo, but it could be the product of a person who is very young. Or it could be the product of someone who wants to make some money in the future.

I lean toward a hoax, I honestly don't think the person who is behind this is honest no pun intended, and I also feel it important to expose people like this.

We saw the latest, Bin Laden is alive according to reports, it was reported in 2005, it is reported this year.




[edit on 28-1-2007 by talisman]

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Akareyon,

It occurs to me that the only person that does believe "The Leslie Powers' Story" is yourself.

No, I'm probably the only person who didn't cry "hoax" from the start and vehemently stuck to this opinion even when massive evidence was presented.

I like the way you dismiss Talisman as a disinfo agent.

Yeah, I could claim that in all seriousness, but I'm just kidding. Please excuse me if my humour doesn't work with you, I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.

Its easier that addressing his arguments. It shows your true colors.

That's a nice compliment! I also think it shows my true colors that I've been trying to adress or give my opinion about each and every single argument you, kick and talisman have formulated on the last 5 pages seriously and (as far as I can tell) politely, even those we've discussed on the first 20 pages over and over again.

Im not sure if you are involved in this Hoax,

Rest assured I am very deeply involved in Leslie's story because I'm her backup. If it's true, I have a responsibility beyond storing all the evidence on a CD-ROM and leave it on my HDD.

but if your not i truly feel sorry for you. Otherwise, let me know when the book comes out.

Sure :-)

[edit on 29-1-2007 by Akareyon]

Good morning fellow poster's.I have been going over all of this evidence concerning this topic over the weekend and i must say that with over 20 some pages of chat we are still on the fence on this matter.

I have come to the conclusion that we should contact the FBI ourselves concerning said e-mails--phone records--and especially the main topic did the FBI raid that apartment on august 16 in the early morning to arrest OBL.

I will do this myself (if no-one opposes this action ).

Does anyone have any other imput on this matter before i begin?

thanks

Record the conversation!!

You're right, maybe someone should contact the FBI in Houston and NY just to see how they react. The first problem you'll encounter is that they won't know "Leslie Powers". The second thing is: what do you expect them to say? "No, we never had contact with that person"? - "No, we don't know where Osama is"? - "Yes, I remember, there was that nutcase who annoyed us last August because she thought she'd get $ 25 M for spamming our email inbox"?

I would make the call, but I think my English would fail me. The last problem is that it all won't prove a thing. It may be worth a try though, just to give the debunkers something to feast upon.

Another obvious question hasn't been asked so far.

before I started hunting for terrorists I was spending a lot of time looking for missing persons.
Leslie's blogs

Leslie, from your blogs I may conclude that you have been working as a private detective or something similar. So I guess you've been doing research for a living. At some point in July/August '06, you specialized on headhunting terrorists, so I wonder if you have collected any rewards for the other tips you gave the FBI, i.e. the other terrorists or the MyDoom hackers?

Thank you.

[edit on 29-1-2007 by Akareyon]

This is a copy of the e-mail i had sent to the FBI in NY---

Hello all , i was wandering if you guy's could shed some light on a subject i am discussing with other people. There is a person by the name of --lets call her THE GREEN LADY-- that is very sure that she has givin you information on the whereabouts of Osama bin-laden .According to her she has told many people that he was hiding out in BROOKLYN NY in the BRIGHTON BEACH area., to be exact she has informed me that his hiding place was brighton and 4th ter apt #14.She also states that a raid on this adress had accured on august 16 in the AM.

I hate to bother you guy's but can you give me any info on this claim or is this just another one of many false leads. She also states she was in contact with the fbi in texas and then with the NY offices and spoke with your agents by phone and e-mail(which she has givin a full list of times and dates of said contact).


Thanks for your time

airtrax007

You might want to submit her phone-records, that she submitted. That way the FBI can see the calls. The same ones that were posted here, maybe Akareyon can pass those along to yourself, he has the documents in word and html format, it would be easy to email them the info.

Include the Blog she put up as well, including the web-site with the sea-horse.

They can do a search on where the origins are of the blog, where the origin start point was, where its hops where etc.

Start from that perspective first, that way they can see something tangilble.

thnks.

Akareyon

Haven't ever asked one vital question in all of this? The one question that will tell most people 'okay something is up'. Assume for a moment that everyone is lying, except for Leslie. Start with that assumption for the sake of argument.

The question is this,

What made her suspect Bin Laden at all? She says all the video's don't look like him, the video's are fake according to her, she discounts news stories that he is alive.

So? Do you not see something wrong?

If she doesn't believe the news, doesn't believe any *visual* evidence of him,

then how in the world can she think he was guilty, because the same thing she is rejecting is the same thing we are relying on to pronounce him guilty.

I believe he is guilty, but that is because I do believe there are these terrorists out there.

She on the other hand discounts anything and everything without any consistent methodology.

When you start from that perspective then there is something fundamentally wrong in all of this.

[edit on 29-1-2007 by talisman]

That's a very valid argument, talisman. But I already stated that I couldn't care less what she believes to be right - it's what she says she knows to be the truth that makes me believe her (I know that sounds paradox, but let me explain). Don't forget: even in a private message to her I said "some of your assumptions are wrong".

She based her belief that some or all Osama videos could be fake upon the videos like Loose Change (that she hasn't seen at the time she turned him in, only after coming forward on MySpace; at least as far as I can tell, she might want to elaborate). We, as critical thinkers, know that many "facts", "quotes" and "evidences" in LC were poorly researched or cherry-picked. But Leslie's take (or my opinion) on 9/11 isn't important here. Why? Because Osamas $25M reward isn't based on 9/11 at all (you may want to read the Muckraker report or visit Osamas Most Wanted Page on the FBI homepage), but on the U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998. That's what the FBI wants him for. That's what Leslie turned him in for. Not 9/11. And that's why for me her opinion on the videos or 9/11 or flying saucers doesn't matter at all in this case.

::

Another thought came to my mind when I discussed this with a friend yesterday. This is one of my "vivid imagination" part again, dismiss it if it's too "out there". Just imagine the FBI got him. What would happen next? Announcement. Next? Trial. A very public trial, if you ask me. The greatest monster in the history of mankind (Pol Pot, Hitler, Cortez, Stalin aside) would be questioned by judges and attorneys. I wonder what this guy would have to say. After all, he's still member of a rich Saudi oil family that was involved in a lot of business with the current Bush administration (according to a mossad source, he wasn't expelled at all. Even if he was, he has a few sympathisants within the 600 member family). I really wonder what this guy knows, and what he would have to say once somebody gave him responsibility for the death of 3000 Americans in a fair, just, western standard trial in an American courtroom.

And I bet one or two people in the White House wouldn't want him to say what he has to say.

OK the lists of calls Leslie made to the Feds is very interesting and I think it sheds some more light on Leslie's nature. I mean how many calls did she make in a single day? 10? more? What the? Those call lists just scream crank caller, calling within minutes of calling and then again and again?

What on earth could she have to say only a minute or two after having already called? And then again repeatedly.

I think Leslie needs to cough up some of the emails she received from the Feds also (Or did they never write back?) Leslie says in more than email that email is the best method of communicating with her. In which case there should be emails from the Feds back to Leslie. Take out the names and anything else but let's see them and see what they actually say.

If he really got caught by the FBI or by the police wouldn't their be some one that seen the bust go down. I seen the FBI go into houses for drug cartel and they go in with lots of vans and men running around with black masks and guns. Where are these stories. But then their is her recordings to the FBI right? What, can this not be some evidence? Is that name Osama rare? Could their be someone else by that name?

[edit on 30-1-2007 by goddogo1]

goddogo1

Not according to Leslie, she would have us believe that the FBI based on some vague tip, went into operation "SECRET MODE", in a matter of just a few days, they somehow did this without the LOCAL POLICE STATION even knowing, Leslie would have us believe that they didn't even have a problem, when we all know that Bin Laden would be heavily guarded by his own men---Remember WACO?

She would have us believe Al'Qaeda arround Bin Laden didn't put up much of a fight.

You would think the FBI would think this, or at least would think he may be sitting on a weapon of mass destruction, so you would think that the utmost care and planning would go into this operation.

In her timeline, she gives this vague tip somewhere on the 12th of AUG or after, then the FBI arrest him in secret by the 16th.

BTW I should mention that when she called on the 12th, she claimed she had been giving the FBI tips since the 7th of Aug, and stoped all kinds of terror plots, including the British Airway's PLOT,

The funny thing is, after all these tips and all these supposed contacts, she is back on the 12th, calling a MAIN NUMBER TO THE FBI, no special contact number.

She is calling a number you can easily find on the Houston FBI website! That in of itself seals the deal and makes this story bogus, but some want to believe her for some reason. That fact alone is the nail in the coffin.

At any rate, between the Aug-12 tip and till the 16 of Aug, in the A.M,

In this short time, they get everyone also to shut up.

I should mention she wasn't even calling the FBI NEW YORK, that came after the initial tip.

Recently a Muslim Terror group went public saying Bin Laden gave them the authority to change their name.

But Leslie has an answer for all of this....

...According to her story, the FBI did this and everyone else in the world is lying, and not only lying but their all keeping the same secret. Except for her of course..








[edit on 30-1-2007 by talisman]

SOP for the Feds to make an intervention is to inform and work with the local police.

Or did they also break this protocol as well? Or are we going with Leslie's 'well the guy Airtrax spoke to must have been off that day'?

kickoutthejams

The interesting thing in all of this is Leslie is the 'sole' source of information. Even the phone listings, she emailed, its all from her, they were in Html and Word format.

We don't know her name, we dont' know really anything about her. She claimed all these contacts with the FBI, yet on the morning of the 12th of Aug she is calling the main number.

There are a number of possibilities in this,

1. She was bothering the FBI with useless tips, and they went along and pulled a fast one on her.

2. This is an outright Hoax, even if she called them, her intention was to hoax this. So she covered her tracks.

Those are only a few.

I have ruled her out as being truthful. Simply because she claimed contacts within the FBI yet was calling a number that is found on the internet on the morning of the 12th.

That tells me she is lying, even if she called the FBI, she is still lying. There were no real contacts of worth.

She is lying, because that doesn't sound credible, it doesnt' sound realistic by any stretch of one's imagination.

It could be she was taken in by the FBI, but I personally don't think so.

If the FBI was stopping terror plots from her tips, by the 12th of AUG, I am sure she would have a special contact at the FBI to call and not the same number all of us would be calling if we lived in Houston.

I am putting this one down to a hoax. The intention I am not sure, I speculate that it could be money, it could be dis-info, it could a lot of things, but I don't know the real reason she did any of this.

But rest assured, her story defeats itself.





[edit on 30-1-2007 by talisman]

Again: don't get me wrong. I understand you. I just wonder why you're so 100% sure. Not the slightest possibility? Really?