The Liverpool FC Thread

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End game is in sight, and hopefully the yanks will be gone before the end of August.

Kirdi is another leveraged buyout clown (or thinks he is) so lets hope it's not him, as he is fronting for a group of "canadian businessmen" and is a close friend of george gillets son.

Huangs bid still sounds the best, despite the spin put out by H&G.

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So Huang is apparently out of the picture, masch is being sold, and his replacement is a never-was, let alone has been, if the club is not sold and the debt paid off before the end of august, the owners incur a £20 million penalty, and then the next deadline is october 6th, when RBS have said they are calling in the loans and hitting us with a further £60 million in penalties.

Then we have an abject performance on the field, with Hodgson looking like little boy lost and playing an outmoded system with players who don't like it, and aren't used to it.

Man marking leads to a goal from a set piece, but no-one will mention that, Gerrard playing in the centre still goes walkabout and leaves his team mates to try and cover the gaps he leaves, because, as ever he lacks tactical discipline and as we saw in the Arsenal game, still can't tackle.

A lot of people were shouting for Benitez's head, and he's just won his first trophy with Inter.

Get used to seeing results like this for as long as Hodgson is in charge.

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Originally posted by budski
So Huang is apparently out of the picture

For now. Looks like the classic negotiation ploy to me.

Originally posted by budski
Then we have an abject performance on the field, with Hodgson looking like little boy lost and playing an outmoded system with players who don't like it, and aren't used to it.

Yep, poor performance, totally outplayed by City. I think there is a time and a place for 442 and last night wasn't it. Mascherano didn't do us any favours by throwing his toys out of the pram either, we needed his doggedness in midfield last night, we were out-muscled all over the park.

I'm not quite as despondent as you though bud, against Arsenal we showed real promise and should have won if it were not for a last minute mistake by Reina.

Man City put on a similar performance to us last week against Spurs where they were battered yet they somehow managed to keep a clean sheet thanks to Hart.

Two games into the season, give the guy a chance.

For me, the difference between the two sides last night? About £140 million.

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I have had my reservations about Hodgson ever since he came into the job - last night he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights.

Let's think back to the benitez bashing - zonal marking giving goals away at set pieces, refusing to make changes until late in a game, refusing to play 442 (for those who think 442 is an "attacking formation" , well, ) not being able to motivate his players, selling players with no back up, playing people out of position, refusing to give youth a chance.

Now apply all those things to Hodgson - I've said from the start he is not the right man for the job, and at least benitez was tactically astute, coached his teams to KEEP the ball. Last night we had less than 40% possession, which is what I would expect from Fulham, and looked to contain and deny them space.

Unfortunately, Mancini is a manager with tactical nous, and he ripped Hodgsons plan to shreds within 5 minutes of the start.

Benitez was forced out because he had control of player transfers, and actually TOLD people he had been lied to about monies available.

Hodgson has no control of transfers (purslime is in charge of negotiations) and will keep his mouth shut to keep his job.

In the meantime, masch will be sold, and the owners will use the money to pay the penalty clause, if no new owners appear in the next week.

If RBS have to take control in October, we are looking at administration and a 9 point penalty, which is when Huang will be back (if he does)

If the yanks somehow manage to retain control, we will probably see Torres sold in January to claw back some of the £60 million in penalties.

The only person speaking out for the club and the fans was Benitez - they managed to get rid of him by claiming he had lost the support of the fans (not true if you read the forums) had lost the dressing room (complete rubbish, as players have come out and said so) and was hopeless in the transfer market (also untrue, when given money, and didn't have to sell to buy, Rafa did as well as anyone)

This whole scenario is an unfolding nightmare, and will keep getting worse, until we are either taken over, or put into administration and then taken over.

It's more than 2 games though - and I've seen this unfolding in pre-season and the euro games.

Expect more of the same - oh, sure, we'll trounce a few smaller clubs here and there, but against the clubs we should be battling for the title with, we are going to get done over every time, because Hodgson is not a good tactician. He knows how to defend, and that's pretty much it, and he hasn't done a great job of that so far.

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Originally posted by budski
Now apply all those things to Hodgson

After 4 meaningful games, really?

We won comfortably home and away in the Europa League Qualifying, we put on a great display against Arsenal (down to 10 men), unlucky not to win, 1-0 up against Trabzonspor and yes, a good hammering against a great Man City side - not too shabby really.

As for transfers, I think he does have control - the purchase of Poulsen proves that. However, the situation with the new owners is an obvious sticking point when it come to bringing fresh players in.

Lots of 'ifs' and 'buts', personally I think we will get the ownership issue sorted before the deadline. It's typical 'cat and mouse' negotiations at the moment.

I'm willing to give Roy a chance without bringing up the ghost of Rafa Benitez.

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If the purchase of poulsen shows he is in control of transfers, then we really are in trouble - they guy is a thug and a liability. A danish Barton.

Hodgson himself said he wasn't in control of transfers - he suggests a name, and purslime negotiates the price and the contract.

Imagine that, a leveraged buyout specialist in charge of transfers.

Hodgson will not last - he does not have the know how, the experience or the tactical nous to conduct anything other than a holding operation.

He CANNoT take us forwards, because he is a product of a different era - as we saw last night and against arsenal, with hoofball the name of the game.

The game against Trabzonspor was equally poor, and we will do well to get past them.

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I didn't say Poulsen was a great signing, I said his acquisition was an obvious sign that Hodgson decides the transfer targets.

A Danish Barton? Don't be so melodramatic. He's nothing like Barton and has done well wherever he has played, with Masch seemingly going and Lucas being a lightweight were going to need his 'fighting spirit' throughout the season.

I think you need to let go bud, Benitez has gone and we have all moved on, maybe you should too?

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It's nothing to do with letting go - benitez was a very good manager and coach, and hodgson is a lighweight who is out of his depth.
He has never been anything but a defensive hoofer - if you think that mid-table obscurity is good enough for Liverpool, then Hodgson is your man.

Poulsen is nothing but a thug, and may have been suggested by hodgson, but all other aspects of the deal were done by purslime.
He was kept out of the Juve team by Momo Sissoko, the lad who can't pass a ball to save his life, and who's tackling is akin to butchery.

Let's take a look at some of hodgsons recent quotes shall we?
He tells us he's impressed with Aquilani and that: "It is obvious for all to see that he is a gifted footballer" - yet, less than a month later, Roy's happy to "loan" him out; on the basis he can't give him enough starts.

He told us that Aquilani would be returning to Anfield: "when he does return to Liverpool no doubt we will see the Aquilani that we signed before he came here injured last year." - yet, one day later, we find out that the "loan" deal includes a 15m euro transfer fee. He won't be back.

We were told that Inter will not be buying any of our players: "I spoke to Massimo Moratti on Wedneday about the fact they are not going to buy Liverpool players. ...they are not going to buy them. Moratti said they are not going to do that." - yet reports are coming out of Holland and from Dirk himself would appear to strongly contradict that.

If you want to blindly follow, while the yanks new yes man helps them dismantle the team and further enrich themselves, then go right ahead.

But don't say you weren't warned.

Too many people have paid no notice as the club has been raped, and are content to keep going to matches (still lining the yanks pockets) and say "it's politics, it's nothing to do with me."

It's this attitude which has let the yanks get away with their asset stripping, install stooges like purslime in the boardroom - it's ALL supporters problems, and will be until we have custodians and a manager worthy of US.




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Originally posted by budski
Poulsen is nothing but a thug

Explain.

Originally posted by budski
He was kept out of the Juve team by Momo Sissoko...

Poulsen actually played more than Sissoko last year for Juventus.

As for the quotes, they prove nothing. Managers have to deal with some hard questions sometimes and often give knowingly false statements in order to not offend or keep a player sweet. All managers do it. It's especially hard for Roy considering the current ownership issue at Liverpool, it's out of his hands and knowing what to tell the press officials who are baying for blood can be tricky.

Originally posted by budski
If you want to blindly follow, while the yanks new yes man helps them dismantle the team and further enrich themselves, then go right ahead.

Want to? I have to, they are MY club and I have will follow them no matter what. Maybe you should start supporting Man United or Chelsea if you don't like it so much?

Paid no notice? You obviously don't make it to match days or the numerous protests during the weekdays. When push comes to shove, the fans can't change the situation, frustratingly we have to sit and wait it out.

And thanks for the warning

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I've explained all I am going to - it's typical of the type of fan you are that when the questions get tough you come out with " you should go and support another club"

Hodgson lied his arse off about Aquilani - if any manager other that an english one had done that you would be calling for his head.

Hodgson lied his arse off about Kuyt - see above.

Hodgson has lied his arse off about quite a few things.

Poulsen is a signing that ranks alongside Julian Dicks - a thug, pure and simple who can barely pass a ball.

I won't go to match days and put more money in the yanks pockets.

I will not buy merchandise and put money in the yanks pockets.

I will not support the yes men that they appoint.

I will do everything I can to get them out of the club.

I will not bury my head in the sand, and hope everything turns out OK.

I've been supporting Liverpool for 37 years.

So tell me to support another club again, like some kind of glory hunter, and me and you are going to have some strong words.



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Originally posted by budski
I've explained all I am going to - it's typical of the type of fan you are that when the questions get tough you come out with " you should go and support another club"

What tough questions?

Originally posted by budski
Hodgson has lied his arse off about quite a few things.

So, you would rather he came out and said "Oh Aquilani has been terrible in training and he hasn't impressed me at all"? That's no way to manage a team. He was being diplomatic.

Also, I wouldn't presume on anything that goes on in the corridors of Anfield, you have no idea what could be happening behind closed doors.

Originally posted by budski
Poulsen is a signing that ranks alongside Julian Dicks - a thug, pure and simple...

Once again, can you explain this? He has played consistently for every club he has been at, yes, he is no Alonso, but he's a different type of player. A thug? Nah.

Originally posted by budski
I won't go to match days and put more money in the yanks pockets.
I will not buy merchandise and put money in the yanks pockets.
I will not support the yes men that they appoint.
I will do everything I can to get them out of the club.
I will not bury my head in the sand, and hope everything turns out OK.

How very noble of you I go because I love football and the excitement of match days, also for the social side of it. Simples.

Originally posted by budski
I've been supporting Liverpool for 37 years.
So tell me to support another club again, like some kind of glory hunter, and me and you are going to have some strong words.

Yer, it didn't sound right once I had read it back and that wasn't my intention. The point I was making is that there is nothing we can do about the current ownership situation, we are stuck with them. So not supporting the players or fellow fans isn't going to help the situation one bit.

There's being unhappy with the situation and then there is being detrimental to the situation.

I think unless we make several *Key* signings in the next week (which ain't gonna happen) then we're fooked this season.
We really are in trouble.

We need great players in so many positions that It's not even funny.


I think we're honestly gonna be mid-table mediocrity this season.... and that really pisses me off.

The club take-over is at a stalemate although anything could be happening behind the scenes.
Players don't want to be at the club..... we can't attract the top players and even if we could, we can't afford them.


These are truly dark days at LFC.

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Hodgson has lied, and as far as I'm concerned is a yes man for those raping our club - he was appointed by purslime, and one of the first things he said was that he had nothing to do with transfers.

If he's getting rid of a player (which he plainly lied about) what does it matter what he says?
If he didn't think aquilani was good enough, why lie about it - why did he say what he said?
Why did he lie about the loan period.

He then tried to take credit for the signings of shelvey and wilson, which were both deals that benitez wrapped up months ago.

He's done nothing at any top club, and it's well documented that he lost the dressing room at Blackburn, and also got pelted by Inter fans in his 2nd stint there.

Poulsen is NOT a good player, of any description - he's what you get for the amount of money we paid.
Peanuts.

Count how much money has gone out compared to how much has come in.

You carry on lining the yanks pockets - you see they are trying to hang on for when the TV revenue comes in next year, when the Sky and PPV packages change.
All they care about is money - you keep giving it to them, but don't moan about them when you are helping support them.

That's the difference - you care about being seen at the match with your mates, I care about what is happening to the club, and the more people have your attitude, the harder it will be to get the yanks out.

I imagine that an emtpy stadium would bring quite a lot of coverage and quite a lot of pressure from sponsors - but hey, wouldn't want to miss a day out with the lads now, would we.

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Originally posted by budski
If he didn't think aquilani was good enough, why lie about it - why did he say what he said?
Why did he lie about the loan period.

How many managers do you hear slagging off their players to the press? It's just not good management. I haven't seen anything about a 15 million Euro fee and even if it does exist you can bet it was from Aquilani's side, agents eh He obviously wasn't happy here.

Originally posted by budski
You carry on lining the yanks pockets...

All they care about is money - you keep giving it to them, but don't moan about them when you are helping support them.

That's the difference - you care about being seen at the match with your mates, I care about what is happening to the club, and the more people have your attitude, the harder it will be to get the yanks out.

How very presumptuous of you The more you come out with these ignorant statements the more arrogant you look.

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That's the whole point - he's not hodgsons player - hodgson lied about the loan.

Presumptuous nothing - you said it yourself.

Get over yourself - plastic fans like you are in Liverpool as well.
As long as you can have a jolly up, you are all mouth and no action.

In 6 months time, you'll be whining and moaning - same as you do about the yanks, but you still fill their pockets for them.

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Originally posted by budski
Presumptuous nothing - you said it yourself.

Said what?

Originally posted by budski
As long as you can have a jolly up, you are all mouth and no action.

Another presumption, nice work

Originally posted by budski
In 6 months time, you'll be whining and moaning...

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Oh, I've been whining and moaning ever since hodgson was picked to be the boards yes man.

Read back.

He'll just get worse - he'll carry on lying and bullplopping to protect his job. and the owners back.

And now he wants to sign Konchesky

If the papers weren't doing their usual flag waving bullplop and actually analysing what he has done in his management career, or if he was a foreign manager with a similar track record, you'd change your tune pretty quick.

45% possession against city - as we revert to hoofing again

36% possession against arsenal - more hoofing

and most telling of all, only 51% possession against a very poor turkish side that we should have put at least 4 past.

Yeah, he's great - the physio's are going to see a lot of fans with cricked necks this year.

How I remember!