The Liverpool FC Thread

New Liverpool Kit

I think it looks decent from those pictures, cant wait to see it in the flesh though

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I like the retro design, and the stripes but not keen on the words/lettering... a little to plain and too much.

It's all good though, Got a lot of money for the new sponsorship deal

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I think the sponsors logo could be a bit lower down, it all looks a bit scrunched up, but like you say, the money is most welcome!

They always look better in the flesh so I'll wait and see, I do like it though.

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Should be cool.

Here's a couple more pics.

Here's a better picture of the official version...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1676c415e2b4.jpg[/atsimg]

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Saw that but from the original pic, was hard to see those white lines near shoulders and hips...

Cool kit though, definitely.

I Like the away-kit, if that's what it will look like.

Liverpool FC for sale! Come on faceless billionaire! We need your moneys

Yeah. Im sure the Chairman of British Airways is in charge of finding new owners.

Plus the circleating rumour that Rafa is going to Juventus in the summer.
Plus theres the lack of funds.
I think, and Liverpool fans wont like this, but I recon Torres will be gone soon if Money isnt around to get players who can help Liverpool win Tropheys.
Maybe he'll end up at Man City?...? (everyones linked to them these days)

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To be honest I don't think Rafa would go unless he was asked to go. As for Torres, you may be right, maybe not this summer now we have the potential for big money on its way. I don't think it will be Man City though, I think he would go abroad.

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yeah, but then again he(Rafa) is being sketchy and saying he'd rather consentrate on his next game against West Ham.
This may be called 'being proffesional' yet hes not saying Yay or Nay.
Guess we'll find out at the end of the season.
Also, I dont think Liverpool will be in the top 4 this season now. Its been a very unpredictable season despite Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal being up there. They all dropped a lot of points..

Troubled times for a great club.

Both Gerrard and Torres look completely uninterested and I wouldn't be suprised if both go in the close season.

Carragher, great servant that he has been, is past his sell by date.

And there are far too many journeymen pro's in the squad and far too little top quality players.

Benitez has had more than enough money to put together a squad that should have been challenging for top spot and major honours.
Perhaps it would be best for all concerned if he does go to Juventus.

But there would be some major rebuilding to be done by whoever may take over and with the club now up for sale??

Worrying times for one of the greatest clubs in the world.

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Benitez has a net spend of under 20 million a season - he's had to rebuild the whole squad on less than 20 million per season, it actually works out at an average net spend of 16.6 million per season.

I really wish people would take the time to do a little research before coming out with the media driven drivel about benitez.

How would anyone build a title winning team, pretty much from scratch on less than 20 million a season?

And before anyone starts on about how net spend doesn't matter - it does, if you have to sell players to buy others.
Every club does it to one extent or another, but this idea that Rafa has had fortunes to spend is complete and utter rubbish.

Our squad is the 6th most expensive in the league, and more importantly (there is a direct correlation between wages and success) are the 6th highest wage payers.
Considering this, even CL qualification for the last few years has been an over-achievement, never mind the fact that we have won it once, been to another final, won the FA cup, finished with the highest points total in our history and average more points under benitez than arsenal do under wenger.

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Rafa hasnt had any money to spend....

But I tell you what, I recon Aqualani OWE'S Liverpool 20 million.

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Except he didn't cost that.

We paid 4 million up front, another 4 million in january, and another couple of payments to bring that up to near 20 million with add-ons based on appearances, CL qualification, league finishing position etc etc over the next 2 transfer windows.

So anyone who thinks we shelled out 20 million last summer is just plain wrong.

The documents are freely available online, from Roma.


[edit on 19/4/2010 by budski]

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Uggh. Guess im wrong. I remmember seeing Video highlights of him on Sky Sports when Liverpool signed him and he seemed like a good buy, despite being injured and not able to be fielded untill halfway through the season.

And if he's being payed on the "drip" then Liverpool should re-negotiate.

www.skysports.com...

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He's a very good player, and all the medical people consulted said he would be fit by september - unfortunately that was not the case, and Benitez has since gone on record talking about "psychological" issues/hurdles that the player needs to overcome.

We now have one of the top sports doctors/scientists coming on board (aussie guy) which should help sort out some of our injury problems.

I think it's the same guy who sorted out Kewell and got him fit and playing again at a relatively high level.

There's no doubt Aquilani is very talented, but he now needs to get properly fit and show it on the field for us.

The other side of the coin is that with most of the alonso money going to pay down on debt, Aquilani was about the only player we could get, because he was injured and they allowed us to pay on the drip.

Real paid up front for Alonso and Arbeloa, and Rafa managed to squeeze a few quid out of the owners for replacements.
Portsmouth still owed us about 10 million for Crouch, so we went for Johnson, and Roma allowed us to pay over a couple of seasons, with add-ons etc

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Bud. your constant support of benitez is really quite baffling.

No amount of spin can take away from the fact that he has had millions to spend.
That he has chose to sell players signed by other managers to bring his own in is irrelevant.
They have been his choices and his alone.
And the simple fact is that a lot of the players that he has signed are just not good enough.

In*

• Josemi – £2m
• Antonio Nunez - Makeweight in Michael Owen sale
• Luis Garcia - £6m
• Xabi Alonso - £10.7m
• Peter Crouch - £7m
• Momo Sissoko - £5.3m
• Sebastian Leto - £1.85m
• Gabriel Palletta - £2m
• Bolo Zenden – free
• Pepe Reina - £6m
• Fernando Morientes - £8m
• Daniel Agger - £5.8m
• Robbie Fowler – free
• Craig Bellamy - £6.5m
• Dirk Kuyt - £10m
• Jermaine Pennant - £6.7m
• Mark Gonzalez - £1.5m
• Fabio Aurelio – free
• Javier Mascherano - £17m
• Fernando Torres - £22m
• Alvero Arbeloa – £2m
• Ryan Babel - £11.5m
• Yossi Benayoun - £5m
• Scott Carson - £750,000
• Lucas Leiva - £6m
• Andriy Voronin – free
• Diego Cavalieri - £3m
• David Ngog - £1.5m
• Robbie Keane - £20.3m
• Andrea Dossena - £7m
• Philipp Degen – free
• Martin Skrtel – £6.5m
• Albert Riera – £8m
• Glen Johnson - £18m
• Alberto Aquilani - £20m
• Sotirios Kyrgiakos - £1.5m

Total spend - £229.65m (not including signing on fees)

Out

• Michael Owen - £8m + Antonio Nunez in
• El Hadji Diouf - £2m
• Antonio Nunez - undisclosed
• Josemi – swap with Jan Kromkamp
• Bolo Zenden – free
• Vladimir Smicer - free
• Jerzy Dudek - free
• Igor Biscan – free
• Luis Garcia - undisclosed
• Robbie Fowler - free
• Djibril Cisse – £6m
• Xabi Alonso – £30m
• Harry Kewell – free
• Stephane Henchoz – free
• Stephen Warnock - £1.5m
• John Arne Riise - £3m
• Peter Crouch - £11m
• Momo Sissoko - £6m
• Craig Bellamy - £7.5m
• Mark Gonzalez - £500,000
• Djimi Traore - £2m
• Scott Carson - £3.75m
• Fernando Morientes - £3m
• Chris Kirkland – undisclosed
• Jan Kromkamp - undisclosed
• Robbie Keane – (up to) £19m
• Sebastian Leto - £3m
• Gabriel Palletta - £2m
• Sami Hyypia – free
• Alvero Arbeloa – £2m
• Darren Potter - £250,000
• Danny Guthrie - £2.5m

Total - £112.5m

Net spend since summer 2004 - £117.15m (not including signing on fees)

Spurs, Aston Villa and Man City have improved whilst Liverpool have gone backwards.

And Liverpool's two best players / assets have looked increasingly disillusioned under Benitez.

Obviously Liverpool is much more marketable with Gerrard and Torres.
Maybe their opinion of Benitez is more important now than ever.

Benitez has taken Liverpool as far as he can.
Liverpool needs a new face at the helm and if the truth were told Benitez probabaly needs a new challenge.

I think it would be best for all concerned if he were to leave at the end of the season.

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How do you think a title winning squad can be built with the net spend you show? which is over 6 years?

Benitez has brought in top players when he can, but otherwise has had to wheel and deal in the market to try and find upgrades on players.

If you look at his year on year selling and buying, you will see that every time he sell's the replacement (alonso excepted) is an upgrade on the player sold.

Players "looking disillusioned"???
That's just press rubbish and poo-stirring, as I think you well know.
Fact is that Gerrard and Torres have either been injured or coming back from injury for much of the season.

I'll repeat - we have won the CL once, the FA cup once, been in another CL final, been in the quarters or semi's every year except this one, posted our highest points total EVER in the league.

meanwhile we have owners who have crippled us with debt, so that benitez has had to sell in order to buy - how is he supposed to build a title winning squad under those conditions?

Well, he very nearly did - and but for a stroke of luck or 2 could have had the title last season.

Frankly, I'm baffled by your vendetta against him - he has done as good a job as anyone could given the restrictions he is and has worked under.

He is the best manager we have had for many years, particularly considering the state souness left the club in, the ineffectiveness of Evans and the failure of Houllier to regularly keep us in the title hunt or challenging in Europe for more than a year at a time.

Other teams have gone forwards ahead of us because our owners have not been putting money into transfers - last season rafa was told he had a transfer kitty, only to then be told that contract extensions would have to be paid out of it as well, after he had already signed aquilani and was looking for a back up striker.

The bullplop that people believe from the press is baffling as well, and I note that you cannot answer how he is supposed to build a title winning squad with a miniscule net spend in comparison to others, and how he can do it when he has had to sell before he can buy.

Instead, you throw about the well worn press soundbites as though they are fact, when they have little basis in reality or address the constraints he has had to work under, then use this faux logic to claim that he is a bad manager.

It really does beggar belief, especially as you seem to have little or no idea as to the situation within the club.

[edit on 19/4/2010 by budski]

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I agree with you there about the owners! You only have to look on WIKI and you can see what happend when they where around the Corinthians.

George Gillett-
en.wikipedia.org...

Tom Hicks-
en.wikipedia.org...

Does any of that sound familiar? Where is New Anfield..?