Painting the sky..(pics)

Originally posted by jra
Barium is rare? If it's so rare then why do doctors put it up your wazoo when they want to take an x-ray of your rectum? If it's so rare then why is it used in vacuum tubes and spark plugs. It's also used in paint and also in glassmaking. pearl1.lanl.gov...

Though i don't have an answer for it turning up in rain and what not. Do you have a location as to where it was turning up in the rain at all?


[Edited on 9-12-2003 by jra]

Concentrations of Barium are too high, there is also aluminum and magnesium found. Also these are found in salt and metallic forms too.

Tell me this smart people, how is aluminum made?

then tell me the probability of finding pure aluminum strands in the air in a region where there is no aluminum smelter?

Good thread Bangin, and I know that there is something goin on with these trails but like you I really would like to just know the truth. And Neo you pretty much got it goin on with your ideas so just keep on with the research, sooner or later its gonna lead somewhere.

If there are unmarked air force tankers spraying chemicals uppon in the air and uppon the Earth. This may very well be the start of the next step, the sixth basoon. For it's written about the horses rode by the great army: That their power is also in their tails, for they look like serpents with heads. Always believed this were tanks, but now I'm not that sure, guess I meant tankers. It's easy to make mistakes. I have made a few, but I guess that 24 old guys can tell me why it still was so...... Bongo! Bongo! Conga! Djemb�! Tom Toms! Rock'n'Roll!

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 10-12-2003 by mikromarius]

Originally posted by THENEO


What is your point man?

I was reading and researching everything I could find on chemtrails that existed 5 years ago. It was obvious to me that something was going on. I have no idea why you do not agree with this. It is as obvious as looking in the sky and watching the planes go back and forth and back and forth and then watching them fly out of the airpspace of a large city to land somewhere else. These are not choppers do a weather report!

These are not Cessnas with student pilots tooling around at 1500 metres. These are large jetliners spaying on a area that just happens to have a high population density.

What part of this don't you get?

Again I am not responsible to teach you all about this subject. Don't be so lazy and do some work yourself. If you have some detailed and technical questions to ask then that is a good point to start. I assume that the purpose of a conspiracy website is to talk about conspiracy and not to DEBUNK conspiracy. If you want to do that they start your own site.

That does not mean you have to agree or believe it does mean that you should approach the subject with an open mind and ask intelligent questions and accept that IT COULD BE TRUE!

This should be part of a training manual for all newbies here.

My point, man, is that you are claiming something is true and offering no proof�none, nada, zilch, zip�nothing. �Because I did the research 5 years ago and I say it�s true� holds about as much water as a sieve. Others here offer pictures, links, substantiated, verifiable proof of what they claim�you offer name calling, derogatory comments, misdirection, in short�nothing. The only thing you bring to the thread is a bad attitude.

You said,

Originally posted by THENEO �These are not Cessnas with student pilots tooling around at 1500 metres. These are large jetliners spaying on a area that just happens to have a high population density.

What part of this don't you get?�

What I don�t get is why you offer no proof! What part of �show me SOME proof� don�t YOU understand? Without even a shred of evidence, you have ZERO credibility!

You then said,

Originally posted by THENEO �Again I am not responsible to teach you all about this subject. Don't be so lazy and do some work yourself. If you have some detailed and technical questions to ask then that is a good point to start. I assume that the purpose of a conspiracy website is to talk about conspiracy and not to DEBUNK conspiracy.�

You haven�t taught anybody anything, except how to call names and behave like a two year old. I and others HAVE asked you detailed questions, and you refuse to answer them, instead saying, �I asked you first�. How childish. Does your mommy know you are on her computer? Furthermore, the motto of this website is, �Deny ignorance�. That doesn�t mean �Believe mindlessly every conspiracy theory put forth�. It means discuss, learn, and formulate your own opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Opinions are not right or wrong, facts are. Start showing us some facts, or at least something remotely resembling a fact.

In another post, you blathered on with,

Originally posted by THENEO �I owe you an appology in that I mixed you up with that other troll. Now I realize it was he who claims to be a pilot but in 19 years he never saw one contrail? Where in the frock does he fly to?�

First of all, I�m not the one who came in to the middle of this thread and started calling names and accusing people of being �spooks�, Mr. Paranoid, YOU are. Therefore, the title of troll falls squarely on your shoulders. The prolific and postulating nature of your posts are proof enough of that. And now you profess to put words in my mouth? A definite lie you have been caught in, as my previous posts will bear out. Never seen a contrail, have I? From which orifice did you pull that one? The same from which you seem to pull everything else you post, I presume. I have seen thousands of contrails in my 19 years as a professional aviator. I�ve flown through them, over, under, and beside them. I�ve never seen a �chemtrail�, never seen an aircraft spraying anything, and of the hundreds of thousands of aircraft I have seen at thousands of airports I have landed at, I have never seen an aircraft capable of spraying anything as you claim to witness on a regular basis. Of course, you have no pictures, video, samples�basically, no evidence what so ever. You offer nothing. Oh, except childish name calling and ridicule. Sorry, it doesn�t cover the fact that you have nothing.

And why do you still ask if I am a �spook�? Are you so stupid to think that if I was I would tell you? Is there some �Spook law� that says that if you ask me I have to say, �Ok, you got me�yeah, I�m a spook�� Get a grip, man�.not everybody is out to get you�or maybe they are�..


[Edited on 10-12-2003 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by THENEO



This should be part of a training manual for all newbies here.

An oh, by the way, check the stats, fella....compared to me, YOU'RE the NEWBIE.....

Originally posted by THENEO

Concentrations of Barium are too high, there is also aluminum and magnesium found. Also these are found in salt and metallic forms too.

Tell me this smart people, how is aluminum made?

then tell me the probability of finding pure aluminum strands in the air in a region where there is no aluminum smelter?

Oh, goody do you mean that you have actual laboratory analysis results that you can present?

That would make you the first chemtrail proponent who has actually obtained bone fide data. I would like to see this. But I warn you, I am rather picky about Laboratory QA/QC. This is not an acceptable sampling method, nor is it an acceptable analytical technique. The sample collection methods and quality control techniques for this �lab test� are also suspect.

Please tell me how you have determined that there are �pure aluminum strands� in the air? This is real easy, just point me to a link, or if you happen to be so lucky as to have the hard copy of the data in front of you, scan it in and e-mail it to Carnicom, I am sure he would be more than happy to post it.

I dont know, I believe there is something to these Chemtrails. Can anyone explain why a politician would put a bill in the House [HR2977] and specifically mention Chemtrails in the wording, amongst other things if there isn't anything being sprayed other than just plain Contrails?

www.fas.org...

Originally posted by tracer
I dont know, I believe there is something to these Chemtrails. Can anyone explain why a politician would put a bill in the House [HR2977] and specifically mention Chemtrails in the wording, amongst other things if there isn't anything being sprayed other than just plain Contrails?

www.fas.org...

My opinion is that Kucinich is trying to head off many weapon systems that he does not want developed. if you read the very end of the proposal, it has a list of definitions, ie....

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.


Many of these systems do not yet exist, although some are surely in the works, so it seems he is trying to stop development. Example, while there are no high altitude ultra low frequency or tectonic weapons systems, no plasma, or ultrasonic weapons, and in reality, no laser weapons (although there is a missile defense system using lasers being fielded) in the US arsenal right now, there is always the possibility of the development of these types of weapons in the future. Kucinich is, IMHO, simply trying to stifle research and fielding of weapons period. By trying to pass a bill forbidding the development of systems that do not exist, he hopes to insure that they never do. "Chemtrails" fall into this category. Unfortunately, if we don't developed new weapon systems, someone else will. Fortunately, this bill did not pass, and hopefully never will.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
By trying to pass a bill forbidding the development of systems that do not exist, he hopes to insure that they never do. "Chemtrails" fall into this category. Unfortunately, if we don't developed new weapon systems, someone else will. Fortunately, this bill did not pass, and hopefully never will.

Eh, I think that it would be a wonderful thing if these 'exotic weapons' were to never exist...assuming they do not. It certainly paints an ugly picture of a person when they have a desire to see such weapons exist. "if we don't, someone else will" What a way to justify it! WOOHOO!

It has happened again. "They're back!" They started spraying a little earlier this time. I will keep watching to see if they return as they did last Thursday.

Originally posted by tracer
I dont know, I believe there is something to these Chemtrails.

Agreed, tracer.

There is something to these trails, despite those that continue to say they're normal contrails. It's quite convenient that these trails form in a similar way to contrails...That's just what we need for a covert operation.

Originally posted by Bangin

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
By trying to pass a bill forbidding the development of systems that do not exist, he hopes to insure that they never do. "Chemtrails" fall into this category. Unfortunately, if we don't developed new weapon systems, someone else will. Fortunately, this bill did not pass, and hopefully never will.

Ok, so next, we outlaw all handguns, then all rifles, then all shotguns, then land mines, (wait, I actually agree with that one! *G*) then all artillery, then all anti aircraft weapons, and so on, and so on, and so on....

It's called self defense, and having the ability to defend yourself against those that want to take what you have is, unfortunatly, very necessary. We would not have the freedoms and lifestyle that we do wer it not for our ability and determination TO defend ourselves and our allies....It would be utopia to be able to say, "We'll disarm, and then everybody else will". Well, if we did disarm, we would be over run quicker than you could say, "But I don't have a gun any more!!!"

Eh, I think that it would be a wonderful thing if these 'exotic weapons' were to never exist...assuming they do not. It certainly paints an ugly picture of a person when they have a desire to see such weapons exist. "if we don't, someone else will" What a way to justify it! WOOHOO!

It has happened again. "They're back!" They started spraying a little earlier this time. I will keep watching to see if they return as they did last Thursday.

I have lived in a fairly rural area of SC for the last 4 years and only over the last couple of months have I seen heavy Chemtrail activity, where previously there was none at all, why after 4 years its all of a sudden there? No new airports, only Shaw AFB about 35 miles away, there is something to it, thats a given!

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
It's called self defense..

Self defense against your own people?

By the way, nice twist about the handguns, landmines..etc..etc.

I just saw another aircraft making trails. They're filling in the gaps, just as they did last week. They came back about three hours after the first spraying, just as they did last week. I've seen over a dozen aircraft today, but only two have been making trails. I pulled out my binoculars, but I couldn't find any identifying marks.

Originally posted by tracer
I dont know, I believe there is something to these Chemtrails. Can anyone explain why a politician would put a bill in the House [HR2977] and specifically mention Chemtrails in the wording, amongst other things if there isn't anything being sprayed other than just plain Contrails?

www.fas.org...

Maybe it is because Kucinich is a raving goof.

Originally posted by Bangin

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
It's called self defense..

Self defense against your own people?

By the way, nice twist about the handguns, landmines..etc..etc.

I just saw another aircraft making trails. They're filling in the gaps, just as they did last week. They came back about three hours after the first spraying, just as they did last week. I've seen over a dozen aircraft today, but only two have been making trails. I pulled out my binoculars, but I couldn't find any identifying marks.

Yes, self defense against your own people...we have more crime here than most countries on earth, sad to say...but also against those who wish to eradicate the Big Boy on the block...Radical Muslim fundimentalists, for one...they wish to turn the whole world on to their religon...but that is getting us way off topic...


Take some pictures or video of these planes with out markings "filling in the gaps"...I really want to see it!!!!

Or better yet, get a flight explorer subscription for 9.95/month and identify the planes that way.




[Edited on 11-12-2003 by HowardRoark]

HR, is that the best explanations you can come up with?

Thanks for that last link there HR. I'm downloading it now. Going to try out the demo. I also found this pic on the site:



Just a few aircraft up in the air there at one time. Surely there contrails overlap to form those X's or the grid like patterns.

Originally posted by tracer
HR, is that the best explanations you can come up with?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

I think it's a pretty damn good explination!!!! Talk about a perfect depiction of exactly how much air traffic there is in the united states at any one time......

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by tracer
I dont know, I believe there is something to these Chemtrails. Can anyone explain why a politician would put a bill in the House [HR2977] and specifically mention Chemtrails in the wording, amongst other things if there isn't anything being sprayed other than just plain Contrails?

www.fas.org...

Maybe it is because Kucinich is a raving goof.

AffirmativeReaction,
I think tracer was referring to the explanation that HowardRoark provided in regards to Dennis Kucinich and his proposal.