Painting the sky..(pics)

Originally posted by billybob
it's a suspicious 'hobby'.

Suspicious? Why on earth would it be suspicious? I don't get what you mean by that. Could you explain, please?

i notice you're also debunking the stated objectives and methods of HAARP.

No, I'm debunking the chemmie claims aout HAARP.

that makes me sad.

Huh? Why would you get sad about me debunking "chemtrails" and the false claims for HAARP? I really don't see why that would make you sad!

... so wrong on many counts. your starting to embarass yourself.

Embarass myself? Huh? How could that be? In order to embarass myself, I'd have to be grossly wrong about something, and so far I haven't seen any chemmie proving me wrong about ANYTHING I have said! However, if someone actually DID manage to prove me wrong about something, I would welcome it, and learn from it.

Originally posted by Aliceinwonderland
I think people are confusing contrails with chemtrails. Both exist, and both happen. Difference?

Contrails:
-Happens at 40,000 feet alt and above
-Naturally occuring due to ice crystals forming due to temp.
-Dissolves after a few minutes.

Wrong! Here are the corrections:
- Contrails can occur at ANY altitude, from ground level up to about 60,000 feet or so.
- Man made, due to the passage of aircraft and interaction of jet exhaust with the atmosphere.
- Dissipate after anywhere from a few seconds to a few days, just like all other clouds.

More corrections:
Chemtrails:
-Can happen at any alt just like contrails
-Not naturally occuring(man made) just like contrails
-Does not dissolve after a few minutes and slowly dissipates down to ground level. just like contrails
-Government sanctioned program just like contrails (let's see if they fish will bite at this bait!)

If you have little knowledge on the subject then my suggestion is to research it and then base your conclusions.

Good idea! So when do you plan to get started on your research? I'd suggest that you start with a basic meteorology course. Please let us know as soon as you pass your first exam, and then you can come back and debate with some real knowldege under your belt.

But to those that don't know the difference between the two but have already formed an opinion I say this....ignorance is bliss.

Yep. I do hope you are ready to give up your bliss, now? There is nothing wrong with being ignorant of a subject. But there sure is something badly wrong with wilfully STAYING ignorant, and flat refusing to get learn some real science.

What's the difference between a jet contrail and a chemtrail? According to the U.S. Air Force, jet contrails form above 33,000 feet when hot engine exhaust momentarily condenses ice crystals into pencil-thin vapor trails that quickly vanish like the wake behind a boat.

Really? That's what the Air Force says? Great! So please point us at the AIR FORCE document that makes this declaration. Not a chemmie web site, mind you, but an actual, official Air Force document.

Chemtrails (CTs) look like contrails initially, but are much thicker, extend across the sky and are often laid down in varying patterns of Xs, tick-tack-toe grids, cross-hatched and parallel lines.

Which is EXACTLY what contrails do.

Instead of quickly dissipating, chemtrails expand and drip feathers and mare s tails. In 30 minutes or less, they open into wispy formations which join together, forming a thin white veil or a "fake cirrus-type cloud" that persists for hours.

Whicj is EXACTLY what contrails do, and have always done, for the past 87 years, aprox.

Here's a good link i found. There are a bunch of other links on the left of the page that are good too. www.af.mil...

From jra's link:

Fact: There is no such thing as a "Chemtrail". Contrails are safe and are a natural phenomenon. They pose no health hazard of any kind.

StuartAllsop, get a grip. I will subscribe to any belief system that I choose, so put a sock in it. Based on the manner that you present yourself, I'd have to say that your supposed goal to lead us on the correct path, and prevent us from becoming further victims to a laughable hoax, is simply bull$hit. I cannot prove the existence of 'chemtrails'. That's not my goal.

I thank all of you that made an effort to respect other member's beliefs.

Originally posted by Bangin
I will subscribe to any belief system that I choose, so put a sock in it. . . . I thank all of you that made an effort to respect other member's beliefs.

Fine, at least you admit that it is a "belief system" and not based on any proof.

You can start up the "First Church of Chemtrails," assemble your flock outside on a nice winter day, look up and ooooH, Ahhhhhh, "look at the pretty clouds overhead." then take everyone back inside and pass around the collection plate.

I knew this thread would take a dig at some point...

Originally posted by Bangin
From jra's link:

Fact: There is no such thing as a "Chemtrail". Contrails are safe and are a natural phenomenon. They pose no health hazard of any kind.

StuartAllsop, get a grip. I will subscribe to any belief system that I choose, so put a sock in it. Based on the manner that you present yourself, I'd have to say that your supposed goal to lead us on the correct path, and prevent us from becoming further victims to a laughable hoax, is simply bull$hit. I cannot prove the existence of 'chemtrails'. That's not my goal.

I thank all of you that made an effort to respect other member's beliefs.

yeah, no health risk, stuart. nothing to see here. sucking on tailpipes is good for you! close down those research facilities. just ask stuart. he knows everything.

based on the manner you present yourself. well put. there is more to communication than hard facts, stuart. your 'body language' is giving you away. did you know that 100% of statistics are used to convince somebody of something?
ridicule will get you nowhere. you're singlehandedly convincing me that chemtrails are real. anything pushed to its extreme folds into the opposite.
if you really want to convince people, you should stop being such a pompous windbag about it.
but, as most people around here know, this is a tactic of making people shut up. you ridicule them until they give up. i noticed you aren't giving up. very noble of you. notice i'm not ridiculing you. i want you to keep spouting 'facts' though. keep digging your hole.

howard, how come your not pointing out stuart's mistakes? isn't truth what we all want?

The spooks job is to flush out those interested to find out if they have 'proof.'

Proof means they can be found out, means they did not keep their secrets well. Means they have been compromised.

I don't need proof of anything, my souce is 100% accurate and that is all I need.

Originally posted by THENEO
The spooks job is to flush out those interested to find out if they have 'proof.'

Proof means they can be found out, means they did not keep their secrets well. Means they have been compromised.

I don't need proof of anything, my souce is 100% accurate and that is all I need.

But you have never told us what your "source" IS, Neo!!! Come on, we need to have a little information other than, "because I say so"!

And you still haven't answered the other question I have asked you several times after addressing YOUR question on my qualifications to comment on this thread...

What qualifications do you bring to the discussion????

[Edited on 24-12-2003 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Fine, at least you admit that it is a "belief system" and not based on any proof.

You can start up the "First Church of Chemtrails," assemble your flock outside on a nice winter day, look up and ooooH, Ahhhhhh, "look at the pretty clouds overhead." then take everyone back inside and pass around the collection plate.

HowardRoark, you really should have pressed enter after typing the first sentence posted above. ::shakin' my head@You::

By the way, many people believe in things without 'proof'. I do not subscribe to any religion, but I do believe in ghosts. The scientific community is not satisfied with the lack of proof to support the existence of ghosts. Guess what? I don't care. My personal experiences are evidence enough for me.

Originally posted by Bangin

By the way, many people believe in things without 'proof'. I do not subscribe to any religion, but I do believe in ghosts. The scientific community is not satisfied with the lack of proof to support the existence of ghosts. Guess what? I don't care. My personal experiences are evidence enough for me.

Bangin, I don't think the problem is belief in something that has no proof, such as ghosts or God, or whatever deity you may choose to believe in...that's called Faith, and billions have faith in intangible things all the time...

However, this is not a subject where faith comes into play. Contrails are a tangible thing. If chemtrails existed, they would be tangible as well. Having faith that chemtrails exist because somebody else says they do is nothing like faith in a god or religion.

Also, from what you have posted here, your personal expieriences only equate to seeing contrails that you couldn't explain. There's no evidence that what you saw contained anything other than water vapor and ice crytals. Where does faith come in there???


[Edited on 24-12-2003 by Affirmative Reaction]

Proof?

LOL, why do you think I got into conspiracy in the first place?

The proof was above my heads day after day before my eyes!

chemtrails are more obvious than nearly any other conspiracy out there, maybe that is why you have to shoot it down, you know a lot of it starts there.

sorry but I am not here to battle with government agents.

Originally posted by THENEO
Proof?

LOL, why do you think I got into conspiracy in the first place?

The proof was above my heads day after day before my eyes!

chemtrails are more obvious than nearly any other conspiracy out there, maybe that is why you have to shoot it down, you know a lot of it starts there.

sorry but I am not here to battle with government agents.

LOL, well, I'm glad you admidt that you have no proof, and that this is all "way above your head". We all knew that, but it's nice to hear you say it. Admiting you have a problem is the first step in recovery!

But you still haven't answered my question about your qualifications...have any???


Other than "www.whatreallyhappened.com", I mean...

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Having faith that chemtrails exist because somebody else says they do is nothing like faith in a god or religion.

I do not believe in chemtrails because 'somebody else' does. My eyes noticed irregularities, then I believed something was happening in the sky.

For as long as I can remember, I've known the meaning of 'ghosts'. I had no reason to believe in ghosts so I did not. Then, one fine day, I had an experience that proved their existence (to me). I didn't believe in ghosts until my own senses gathered reasons to. The same goes for these trails. Forget what everyone else says, my eyes tell their own story. That is exactly why I find these debates useless. You cannot take my experiences from me and you haven't explained them away to my satisfaction. Don't even bother.

Originally posted by Bangin

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Having faith that chemtrails exist because somebody else says they do is nothing like faith in a god or religion.

I do not believe in chemtrails because 'somebody else' does. My eyes noticed irregularities, then I believed something was happening in the sky.

For as long as I can remember, I've known the meaning of 'ghosts'. I had no reason to believe in ghosts so I did not. Then, one fine day, I had an experience that proved their existence (to me). I didn't believe in ghosts until my own senses gathered reasons to. The same goes for these trails. Forget what everyone else says, my eyes tell their own story. That is exactly why I find these debates useless. You cannot take my experiences from me and you haven't explained them away to my satisfaction. Don't even bother.

Excuse me, but you started this thread...did you not think there would be discussion on both sides of the coin?


"There is none so blind as he who will not see."

say, bangin'. what do you think? do you think AR, howard, and stuart have proven that our eyes don't work? or do you think their adamance, derisive and repetitive style make them look like disinfo pros?

i had never seen a 'sundog' in my life. now, ive seen three. or a luminescent contrail. or those wispy type contrails. i guess i'm just blind and stupid. woah is stupid, blind, unscientific me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

Originally posted by billybob
say, bangin'. what do you think? do you think AR, howard, and stuart have proven that our eyes don't work? or do you think their adamance, derisive and repetitive style make them look like disinfo pros?

i had never seen a 'sundog' in my life. now, ive seen three. or a luminescent contrail. or those wispy type contrails. i guess i'm just blind and stupid. woah is stupid, blind, unscientific me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

Honestly, I didn't know that your eyes were such amazing instruments, bill! able to ascertain the exact altitude at which a contrail exists, what it's chemical composition is, able to time it's dispersal to the second...wow...you must be a superhero of some sort, huh?

I've seen sundogs, wispy contrails, persistent contrails, and pretty much every "new phenomenon" you have mentioned here for over thirty years! does that make me a superhero as well? No, what it makes me is much more observant that you, obviously.

Call me what you want. Actually, I'd LOVE to get one of those jobs being a "spook" as you call them. What a hoot! I'd get paid for proving you wrong with scientific evidence!

No, I'm no spook...just a poor air force guy that has flown too many hours in the last few months (been busy, you know?!) so I have to fly the desk for a while, giving me time to have some fun.

Thanks for supplying it in such abundance!

And you still misquoted me...

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Call me what you want. Actually, I'd LOVE to get one of those jobs being a "spook" as you call them. What a hoot! I'd get paid for proving you wrong with scientific evidence!

No, I'm no spook...just a poor air force guy that has flown too many hours in the last few months (been busy, you know?!) so I have to fly the desk for a while, giving me time to have some fun.

Thanks for supplying it in such abundance!

And you still misquoted me...

it's always my pleasure to bring joy to people.
been bombing villages and stuff lately? those little children are better off without there lives and limbs, anyway. sorry to hear it tires you out. that must be rough, too.
and lord knows we have to protect the corporate power pyramid. where would we be without our masters?

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Excuse me, but you started this thread...did you not think there would be discussion on both sides of the coin?

I don't have a problem with discussing the issue, which we have done for 20+ pages. I do have a problem with ongoing debates that will never reach an ending point. That, my friend, is why I think these debates are useless.

I knew there would be posts from every angle, as most ATS threads prove, and as it should be. I didn't have a problem discussing this topic until I personally felt attacked. Unfortunately, people resort to using an attack mode during a seemingly endless debate. Tsk Tsk. Carry on.....

Originally posted by billybob
it's always my pleasure to bring joy to people.
been bombing villages and stuff lately? those little children are better off without there lives and limbs, anyway. sorry to hear it tires you out. that must be rough, too.
and lord knows we have to protect the corporate power pyramid. where would we be without our masters?

Ahhh, and again, you open your mouth and out flows the trash you have become known for. Such a waste of a human body you are. Why don't you meet me face to face and spew that kind of filth, you gutless wonder? No, that would never happen. You're too much of a coward to really take a personal stand on anything in public. You have to hide behind your keyboard and do it. So pathetic. there's a local highway I'm going to start calling "Billyboob Highway" in your honor...it's crooked as hell and has a yellow stripe all the way down it's back too.

No, I don�t drop bombs, faggboy. Although if I did, I'd be sure to "accidentally" drop one on your tenement house where you sit your 400 pound azz all day collecting welfare because you're too fat to work.

Hey...the next time you see one of us servicemen in the mall, why don't you say something to him like you did to me? Spit on him like they did to our boys after Viet Nam. I can guarantee the results will be different. He'll knock your homosexual azz off your power scooter and kick the shiit out of you, and you know what? 99.9% of the civilians that hear what you say to him will be right there stomping your fat azz as well. Because no matter what YOU may think, decent people are PROUD of our servicemen. Of course, you aren't included in that group...you're a sick, sorry excuse for a lying sack of bear shiite. Now...go have a few hundred more Oreo's and a big glass of hot buttermilk and call it a night...you need to be up early to start shoveling all the coal Santa is going to be dumping on your azz tonight...



What a totally pathetic excuse for a human being you are