Painting the sky..(pics)

duplicate post...sorry!

[Edited on 18-12-2003 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by THENEO
Frankly your names don't matter because it appears to me that you are either:

1. the same person
2. part of the same operation
3. from the same organization

Yep! That's me! I am the same person as myslef, and I worl for the same organization as I do, which just happens to be me, in any case.

In other words, if the riddle is too tough for you to figure out, I work for myslef. I have my own small company. That's the "operation" that I work for.

I don't know what your problem is

My problem is all the kooks out there who promote scams, cons, and hoaxes, and suck the gullible dry of their hard earned money. My problem is with people who are ignorant of science yet refuse to admit it, or say that their ignorance doesn't mean anything, because they just "know" that they are right, even though they actually don't have a clue about what they are saying.

but YOU and a few other new people that inhabit this thread have a STRONG need to fight with people.

No, not with PEOPLE! I only fight with kooks, con artists, scammers, hoaxsters, and other low life scum that try to take the innocent for a ride.

you have been directed to dozens among hundreds of websites that exist on the web and if you wish you can fight with these people.

Been there, done that. Many, many times. I think I've probably visitied pretty much every kook site that has been mentioned, and then some. THey all turn out to be pretty much the same.

I frankly do not have time for this nor do I have to prove anything to you.

Oh cute! Turn tail and run, rather than stand and fight the big bad monster of TPTB that is attacking you! Very brave, that. Or did I get you wrong: You DO think that I am TPTB, don't you?

With my own eyes and numerous hours of investigation in the past and also based on observations and affects on other people I soundly came to the conclusion that this is a real conspiracy.

Well, there you have it! You proved EXACTLY what I was saying. Ingorant of science, relying purely on subjective heresay, and rejecting all real evidence and scientific method.

Your honor, I rest my case!...

I have worse news for you too my friend, once you become brave enough and enlightened enough to see this conspiracy for what it is then you are facing numerous others. I don't know if you can handle it really.

Been there, done that too. Debunked quite a few of the kook theories. Actually "debunked" is probabl a too mild term. More like "shot them down in glorious flames". ! ...

Whoo hoo, Did I read that right? The purpose of HAARP is to create the invisible worm? Or something like that. It looks like someone has been up all night reading some real baaaad science fiction.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, it is the reptoids, No, wait it?s Nancy?s Zetas isn?t it? What, the X-men. Now I know you are pulling my leg, that is just a TV show.

A what!!!!!


Oh, believe me I will, that is the funniest thing I have read in a while.

good work Howard, I know what you are up to, trying to figure out how much the people really know.

If ?the people? were all as smart as you, then we would be in a lot of trouble, wouldn?t we?




[edit on 3-23-2006 by worldwatcher]

Originally posted by dexxy

Ok, my second part of this issue:

Do purpose built sprayers exist for the purpose of saturating the atmosphere with metallic particles to assist HAARP with weather modification experimentation?

Not as far as I know. I don't even know HOW you would go about spraying metaliic particles, especiallly not stuff like aluminium oxide, which
is highly abrasive. I do know that the idea was proposed years ago, but I doubt that it could actually be put into practice.

These metal particles (aluminum/barium mix?) are supposed to allow the atmosphere to heat up faster when the ELF waves from HAARP target the saturated area.

WEll, that's what the chemmies claim, but there are a couple of little teeny weeny problems with that. First, HAARP does not generate ELF. The "H" in HAARP stands fo "HIGH frequency", while ELF stand for "Extremely low frequency". You cannot have it both ways! ELF requires antenna that are miles long, while HF requires antennas that are just a few feet long. THe antennas at the HAARP facility are most definitely just a few feet long. So the chemmies have someohow gotten themsleves all muddled up. It can't be both. Either HF or ELF. Not both. THe two are mutually exclusive.

The second problem is that, regardless of weather it is HF or ELF, there just isn't enough energy in HAARP to raise the temperature of even a very small patch of sky by more than a fraction of a degree.

Besides, if it IS ELF, not HF, then there is no way that the emissions are doing anything at all to the ionosphere! ELF just goes right through. The wavelength is WAY too long to be absorbed by the ionosphere.

So no, even if "they" really are "spraying" something up there, HAARP has nothing to do with it.

I don't have enough reliable info to be even able to form a coherent sentence on this one. Any thoughts on this?

I understand you exactly! There just is no way to put that into a coherent sentence. It's a load of psuedo-science bunk, invented by the original perpetrarors of the chemtrail hoax, when they started losing their flock of true believers, about two or three years ago.

Originally posted by billybob
HAHAHAHA!!! you rock, dexxy! right from the horses mouth. NASA doesn't understand it but howard and stuart do! NASA admits they're screwing around up there, but howard and stuart won't. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ooops! There you go again! Foot directly into mouth!

You didn't even read the article, did you?

You don't even know what it was about, do you?

Nice try!

Originally posted by dexxy
Here is some intersting info on potential weather modification, have a look at the part on weather control:

Quote from site:

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere.

Yep, but that's one of the chemmie kook sites. Full of it. Did you notice that they don't give you a single scrap of evidence? They refer to "research" and "studies" and "programs" and talk about quotes from "officials" and this and that, but they NEVER give you a rference that you can actually check for yourself. I'll bet you can guess why that is!!!!!

oh ya, here is a really interesting cloud formation, taken from that site, is it a photoshop special?:

It could be a Photoshop job, but probably not in this case. That photo has been doing the rounds for a while, and is probably quite real. It's a rather unusual phenomena, but nothing unnatural about it.

Originally posted by StuartAllsop
First, HAARP does not generate ELF. The "H" in HAARP stands fo "HIGH frequency", while ELF stand for "Extremely low frequency". You cannot have it both ways!

I believe you could even in microwaves. Resonance. When different wavelengths or frequencies meet they can create some startling effects. Just listen to a guitar or a piano. One by one the strings' resonans are quite poor, but together and in patterns you can make sound you can touch or literally take your breath away and even kill you. And we know how music works directly on your psyche controling your mood, making you do things you normally wouldn't do. Or think about this instead: What if HAARP is the reason behind global warming? It is microwaves isn't it?

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by mikromarius

Originally posted by StuartAllsop
First, HAARP does not generate ELF. The "H" in HAARP stands fo "HIGH frequency", while ELF stand for "Extremely low frequency". You cannot have it both ways!

I believe you could even in microwaves. Resonance. When different wavelengths or frequencies meet they can create some startling effects. Just listen to a guitar or a piano. One by one the strings' resonans are quite poor, but together and in patterns you can make sound you can touch or literally take your breath away and even kill you. And we know how music works directly on your psyche controling your mood, making you do things you normally wouldn't do

. Or think about this instead: What if HAARP is the reason behind global warming? It is microwaves isn't it?

Blessings,
Mikromarius

You've been into the "aether" again haven't you?


Edit

It's a plot by the Amanites to take over the world. HAARP is a giant microwave oven. (sorry I couldn't resist )

[Edited on 18-12-2003 by HowardRoark]

who has foot in mouth now?
one of the stated objectives of HAARP is ELF related communication and subterranean imaging. as mikromarius point out, "beat" frequencies can be introduced into higher frequencies. a little science for y'all. i'm surprised a super scientist(video store clerk, did you say?) like you forgot that simple fact. howard, you too. carrier waves are a basic principal in wave study. this looks like another attempt to confuse the lurkers, who have no science background.
stuart, i hate to say it, but your off my respected list. i've been patient with your derision. no more , you pompous windbag. stating you have won a debate does not mean you have. you haven't proved # with your scientific obfuscation tactics. you're so busy laughing and pointing fingers, that you have ignored the bigger picture. there is overwhelming evidence pointing to goals of weather modification and study. there are patents. there are official statements. eye witnesses. your honor, i respestfully request this man be removed from the courtroom for contempt.
i have no proof of chemtrails, but you have no disproof either. you yourself have stated you can not prove a negative, and then you go on to say that there are ABSOLUTELY NO chemtrails. very unscientific of you.
same with this picture of the strange cloud. you state with absolute authority that it is natural, yet say you know nothing about it. also very unscientific of you, objective boy. (i make no claims on the cloud, except that it is very unusual, so don't put feet in my mouth).

yes, i did read the NASA article
quote: Currently, the properties of soot generated by aircraft exhaust are not well understood. We do not know how effective these particles are as ice nuclei.

wow, i found an instant cure for foot in mouth!

despite my attempts to keep it civil, you have continued to belittle my very sound deductive reasoning and logic. at least i don't have head up ass disease like you, stuart. you can't see the forest for the trees, ...especially through a microscope. how's that for ad hominem?

howard, nice math. THAT is what i like.

It should be anytime now before someone complains about these people posting to this thread who are mocking every single effort of good members that were here long before them.

Again I ask in vain where are the Moderators at this website?

>>there are a couple of little teeny weeny problems with that. First, HAARP does not generate ELF. The "H" in HAARP stands fo "HIGH frequency", while ELF stand for "Extremely low frequency".

Yes, I understand the nomenclature, but when explaining HAARP, Univ Alaska had this to say:

The HAARP facility can be used to study techniques that use very low and extremely low frequencues for applications such as communication with deeply submerged submarines and geophysical exploration. The HF transmitter and antenna system at HAARP does not, itself, transmit any signals in the ELF frequency range. Instead these signals would be generated in the ionosphere, at an altitude of approximately 80 - 100 km.
The process of generating ELF within the ionosphere is very inefficient (the conversion efficiency is about 10-8). As a result, the level of ELF signal reaching the ground is extraordinarily small. Measurements of the ELF signal strength produced in the ionosphere by the HIPAS facility during a recent test, for example, showed field strengths on the order of 0.000004 a/m or 0.00005 milligauss (mg)[1]. This field strength is too weak to be detected with any commercially available instrument and is only useful for low data rate communications or for geophysical sensing applications where specialized correlating receivers can be employed.

The subject of ELF safety has received significant attention in the US and around the world, primarily because of concerns over the fields produced by High Voltage power lines, but also because of concerns over such common ELF sources as household appliances and video display terminals (VDTs). Concise summaries of some of these studies and additional information on radio frequency radiation (RFR) can be found at EMF Link operated by The EMF Clearinghouse.

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

So basically HAARP does generate ELF, but this ELF is potentially weak.

[Edited on 18-12-2003 by dexxy]

a picture for you stuart, ....from the NASA article i didn't read, HAHA!


notice in this (rather hard to understand for the unscientific) picture, that the jet exhaust has created a "modified cirrus" with it's contrail. the PARTICLES in the exhaust act as something which "supersaturated" air can use as nuclei for CLOUDFORMATION.

what don't you understand, stuart?

howard, am i wrong AGAIN???? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

My understanding is that HAARP is capable of generating almost ANY frequency due to the large size of the array and the varying number and sizes of elements contained.

The power level at any frequency generated is variable of course.

Hi Howard,

How about the example of a clear blue sky with average humidity? I'd assume that the moisture content would be at approx 10% of your rain cloud.
Over the 36 sq miles, this equates to 236,828,512.8 liters of water or 99089049 Kj . if it takes 1 hour to heat the air 1 deg C, it would take 458.75 megawats to do so. This would seem much more doable.

But from the distance of HAARP to the continental US, and the RF losses, the MW's would potentially climb exponentially. Now HAARP isn't the only facility, could some of these facilities work in tandem to 'turn up the power'?

This photo was taken about an hour ago- what was a high flying aircraft left a contrail that in moments ,within 5 minutes or so, dispersed as photo indicates.

The skys cleared today, and when they do I see this frequently, however this one dispersed over a large arrea, moreso than usual.

Originally posted by dexxy
Hi Howard,

How about the example of a clear blue sky with average humidity? I'd assume that the moisture content would be at approx 10% of your rain cloud.
Over the 36 sq miles, this equates to 236,828,512.8 liters of water or 99089049 Kj . if it takes 1 hour to heat the air 1 deg C, it would take 458.75 megawats to do so. This would seem much more doable.

But from the distance of HAARP to the continental US, and the RF losses, the MW's would potentially climb exponentially. Now HAARP isn't the only facility, could some of these facilities work in tandem to 'turn up the power'?

and could particles not also increase the heating effect if the size of them was equal to a resonant wavelength of the frequency being generated? resonance is a great way to achieve exponential effects.

More notes on HAARP from Cassiopaea.org:

Q: (L) OK, is this so-called HAARP project instrumental in any of these realm border changes, these realm changes?
A: All is interconnected, as usual.

Q: (L) You once said that HAARP was something that was to be used to "transfer perimeters." I am assuming that this means to manipulate space, time and
density.
A: Yes.
Q: Is it possible that they are planning to use this to bring up the Atlantean crystals to utilize.
A: Not so much to "bring up," as to utilize.

Q: (L) Once before you said that the HAARP assembly was a continuation of the Montauk project, and was being used to 'transfer perimeters.' I guess this
meant space/time travel, correct?
A: Yes. And resurrect Antlantean crystal principle.
Q: (L) Do they plan to actually attempt to bring up the Atlantean crystals?
A: No.
Q: (L) Do they plan to use this for mind control?
A: And other uses.
Q: (L) Can you give us a few of these uses?
A: Technical.

Q: (L) Is HAARP in operation at the present time?
A: Yes, in its early stages.
Q: (T) Is the spreading of all these communication towers out across the country the equivalent of a HAARP program on a continental scale?
A: Back up system.
Q: (L) So, they don't need the towers to operate the HAARP system, but they are there as the backup?
A: Towers serve dual and lateral purposes.
Q: (T) Local and regional authorities can use the towers to track people, amongst other things. (L) Is the weather being controlled or changed or in any way
affected by HAARP?
A: Climate is being influenced by three factors, and soon a fourth.
Q: (L) All right, I'll take the bait; give me the three factors, and also the fourth!.
A: 1) Wave approach. 2) Chlorofluorocarbon increase in atmosphere, thus affecting ozone layer. 3) Change in the planet's axis rotation orientation. 4) Artificial
tampering by 3rd and 4th density STS forces in a number of different ways. Be vigilant. Be observant. Be cautious in your planning and be aware. Do not let
emotional anomalies cloud your knowledge base. This is not a "time" to let one's guard down. Be especially careful of travel to unfamiliar locators, as well as
sleeping in unfamiliar surroundings!!

A: HAARP is for mind control. It is hoped it can be successful in 4th density too!

Originally posted by THENEO
It should be anytime now before someone complains about these people posting to this thread who are mocking every single effort of good members that were here long before them.

Again I ask in vain where are the Moderators at this website?

Yes, Neo, you are right...so you better be careful, or they will come and carry you away....

flu strain found in chemtrail

www.libertythink.com...

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by THENEO
It should be anytime now before someone complains about these people posting to this thread who are mocking every single effort of good members that were here long before them.

Again I ask in vain where are the Moderators at this website?

Yes, Neo, you are right...so you better be careful, or they will come and carry you away....

What is this supposed to mean?