Painting the sky..(pics)

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by billybob
haarp is not radar. it is microwave. barium is used for imaging, as one of you rebunkers pointed out.
anyway, my point was that there might be a dragon in the neighbors garage(my nextdoor neighbor is a reptilian, ha. a cartoon with a sign told me so). without looking, both possibilities exist.
the point of the patent is patently obvious. ozone holes and global warming contermeasures. duh. it represents a trail of logic where 'bogus' findings by 'bogus' researchers point to the same substance the patent suggests spraying into the atmosphere, aluminum. we are discussing spraying aluminum silicate and barium salts into the atmosphere. can you see the connection? a real leap of logic, eh?
the fact that the military has done testing of toxins and bioweapons on the public in the past, would suggest that they have no qualms about doing it now. do you see this far fetched free association trail. can you connect the dots?
i have nothing to suggest to me that there is a dragon in the neighbors garage. it is unlikely, but possible.
i have much evidence to suggest that chemtrails are not contrails. i have no proof, but at least i'm not outright ignoring the evidence.
WEEEEEEE!

You know, you are quickly decending to the rank of idiot....if you think there is even a remote possibility of a dragon in your neighbor's garage, and that the AF is spraying the nation with chemicals...idiots go swiftly into the "ignore" box....

i'll miss you dearly. hahahah!!!
you are quickly descending to the rank of ad hominem tactics, always the last ditch attempt of professional disinfo specialists.
that means i win! YAY ME!!!!! hahahahaha!

If "winning" means you get to continue living in ignorance, believing that this is indeed a competition of sorts instead of a discussion, then yes, you win. But then, your the only one who is TRYING to win, or who cares, for that matter.....

Originally posted by billybob
notice the tone and arrogance of the disinfo pros. meant to denegrate and belittle. truly gracious of these huge intellects is it not?
the purpose of course, is the same as that associated with UFO 'whackos'. you didn't see it and you were never probed and that scoop mark is from falling in the shower.
ridicule gives the pavlovian human response of shame, which then leads to silence.
why can none of these (professional) debunkers debunk without the superior mocking tone? because that's not what they were taught in persuasion school. i notice the 'chemmies' are way more polite and open minded.
we are all but straw dogs, stuart my freind. if you think your superiors give a hoot about you, good luck with that. i'll say this for all us poor deluded 'chemmies'. we care. there's a lotta love in the room!

p.s. what is the function of the army, navy and airforce? answer -dealing out death to massive numbers of humans.

p.s.s. everything all you debunkers have said is just hearsay, too. stomp your feet and get real mad. welcome to info war world and the new media. (some of)you guys are VERY intelligent. however, the day you think you "know", is the day you have become an ignorant child(i know, though, that it is your job to hold hard and fast to the party line, "they are contrails, they are NEVER other substances in jet exhaust", you're just doing your job. that's cool.). the god, SCIENCE is constantly changing it's hard and fast rules. ask a physicist who is pissed off because his particle theory has been 'debunked' by string theory. so all this atmospheric this and that talk is just pissing in the wind. both sides of the argument. connections to patents, admissions of past guilt and house bills are not so easily dismissed. the real world and the virtual world are merging. the rules have changed. you've come to a gun fight with a knife.

p.s.s. ALL "proof" is based on a previous assumption(the first of which is that you are you, and that it's not all maya, the veil of illusion). an experiment can be done nine million times giving identical results. this is no guarantee that the next time won't be different.

"overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -, from 'ghost in the shell'

Dude....the ONLY reason you persist in calling everyone who has a different view of things than you do is to deflect the attention away from yourself, due to the fact that you have no earthly clue what youare talking about. You admited it yourself in one of the most ridiculous sentences I think I have read here in quite some time....you said, ...


"i have no proof, but at least i'm not outright ignoring the evidence. "


Holy smokes...read that again to yourself slowly...do you see how stupid that sounds? Proof IS evidence, evidence is PROOF!!! HA!!!

No "disinfo" people here, just those who have differing opinions than yours. The big difference is that THEY have and show PROOF of what they say....that makes YOU the disinformation officer of the day, bucko!!!! I say again, HA!

THIS statement...


"p.s. what is the function of the army, navy and airforce? answer -dealing out death to massive numbers of humans"


only goes to PROVE what an utter bunghole you are. If you had half a brain in your body you would know that this is not true. Yeah, war is an ugly thing. It sucks. I hate it. But I do what I do so you can have the freedom to be the flaming bunghole you have proven yourself to be.

Moron...I'm done with you....

Originally posted by billybob
i have seen this twice in the last year, as well. a prism effect in a sick looking cloud. it almost looked like a second sun. yes, it was after heavy SPRAYING.
and that reminds me. these chemtrails are VERY bright, luminous even, when the sun shines through them. not like a cloud at all.

Yes. I have seen, what do they call it again, anyway, twise this year I have seen such "mirrored Suns". You see the Sun in the middle and a mirror image of the Sun on each side. But this is actually a natural phenomena which happens from time to time, and has done so for God knows how long. But this was different. It wasn't natural. You could see from the colors that they were chemical reflections, as you can see in gasoline when it floats uppon water. And I do believe that it is the wizards of latter day Egypt doing it, meaning the Masons and USA.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Holy smokes...read that again to yourself slowly...do you see how stupid that sounds? Proof IS evidence, evidence is PROOF!!! HA!!!

is that so? then it is you who looks stupid. fingerprints on the murder weapon are not proof that the hand belonged to the actual murderer. evidence is not proof. it's evidence. i feel sorry for you. so angry.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
THIS statement...


"p.s. what is the function of the army, navy and airforce? answer -dealing out death to massive numbers of humans"


only goes to PROVE what an utter bunghole you are. If you had half a brain in your body you would know that this is not true. Yeah, war is an ugly thing. It sucks. I hate it. But I do what I do so you can have the freedom to be the flaming bunghole you have proven yourself to be.

Moron...I'm done with you....

nice argument. well thought out. i see how it relates to chemtrails. out of my flaming bunghole, HAHA!
if i had half a brain, i'd be dead. unless it was the bottom half. autonomous functions would continue. i would probably become meaner and more insulting. HAHA!
please hit your ignore button. zealot.

Originally posted by mikromarius

Originally posted by billybob
i have seen this twice in the last year, as well. a prism effect in a sick looking cloud. it almost looked like a second sun. yes, it was after heavy SPRAYING.
and that reminds me. these chemtrails are VERY bright, luminous even, when the sun shines through them. not like a cloud at all.

Yes. I have seen, what do they call it again, anyway, twise this year I have seen such "mirrored Suns". You see the Sun in the middle and a mirror image of the Sun on each side. But this is actually a natural phenomena which happens from time to time, and has done so for God knows how long. But this was different. It wasn't natural. You could see from the colors that they were chemical reflections, as you can see in gasoline when it floats uppon water. And I do believe that it is the wizards of latter day Egypt doing it, meaning the Masons and USA.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

i think you may be right. i think it may be an attempt at altering the mass consciousness. perhaps trying to prevent a change in the patterns and frequencies of earth as we enter this time of rapid change. perhaps to prevent an evolutionary leap that would put and end to the top down control structure so dear to the round table.
i don't think it's the USA, specifically. i believe it is the one world shadow government which has been in place for at least this past century. the jesuits, vatican, and banksters, et al.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Well, since you post neither picture or video of said cloud, there is no way to prove it's existence.

Well. it looks like it's a natural phenomena afterall, but I still have never seen anything like it before. It's called "perlemor-skyer" or "mother of pearl clouds". They were seen over most of southern Norway, from Bergen in the West to Oslo in the East. Below is a picture from Oslo, though it was much more amazing in real life than on camera:

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Sorry for the inconvenience.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by mikromarius]

Originally posted by billybob
i think you may be right. i think it may be an attempt at altering the mass consciousness. perhaps trying to prevent a change in the patterns and frequencies of earth as we enter this time of rapid change. perhaps to prevent an evolutionary leap that would put and end to the top down control structure so dear to the round table.
i don't think it's the USA, specifically. i believe it is the one world shadow government which has been in place for at least this past century. the jesuits, vatican, and banksters, et al.

As I have looked further into the matter, the cloud I saw can indeed be explained with the science of metereology. It appears thousands of people saw the same thing all over the south of Norway, and the weather experts explained it as a rare, but natural phenomena. Had something to do with ice crystals in the stratosphere and steady upgoing winds creating vertical waveforms up through the stratosphere. But I guess it would be possible to make them artificially too using some form of chemicals like gasoline for instance, but I don't know. I haven't noticed any planes in the area though. Just the regular flights to and from the airport on the other side of the house from where I saw the cloud. As the Sun faded, the cloud became red as blood.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

SAN FRANCISCO - A military satellite has detected auroras, those shimmering displays of colorful light, at altitudes far higher above Earth than previously known, confirming anecdotal reports from astronauts that scientists had dismissed.

scientists were wrong about something?

how could it be? 'science' is never wrong! anecdotal reports? ptooie! somebody was actually believing their own mind and eyes could see something that science 'proves' isn't there!
p.s. (this may be the beginning of a slow release of information regarding the central sun inside the hollow earth, which may be the cause of these 500 mile high auroras).

The cloud yesterday was one thing, but do you know what happens right now outside my window? It snows from what appears to be a clear blue sky. But when I look more closely towards the Sun, I can see that there is a thin layer of clouds covering the sky, but by first glance, the sky is indeed blue. Edit: Not any more. the sky has now turned color to greyish white, thank God! Everything back to normal.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 16-12-2003 by mikromarius]

Originally posted by tracer
I dont think you could get a very accurate reading of the air in a jetliner because the air is cooled and then highly
filtered before reaching the passenger compartments.

www.boeing.com...

As you can see the air you breath is not ths same as the outside air.
Maybe thats the reason the air is filtered on airliners, to keep people from breathing any contaminants, would not be good for business if people got sick everytime they fly.

I think you didn't read your own link! The OUTSIDE air from the compressor stage of the engine is NOT filtered: It is only cooled, and cooling is not going to change the chemical structure. It is only the RECIRCULATED air that is filtered before being returned to the cabin. Therefore, what you breath is unfiltered outside air, mixed with filtered recirculated air.

Therefore, like I said, sampling cabin air would give you samples of outside air.

Originally posted by billybob
... i think it may be an attempt at altering the mass consciousness. perhaps trying to prevent a change in the patterns and frequencies of earth

What "patterns and frequencies" are you talking about?

perhaps to prevent an evolutionary leap

Oooops! since when does evolution "leap"? Never has, never will. By definition, evolution is a slow process that plays out over many generations, caused by genetic mutation and favored by natural selection. There have been no "leaps" in evolution. If a species were to suddenly change drastically, by definition it would NOT be evolution! I think you need to take a course in basic biology.

that would put and end to the top down control structure so dear to the round table.

What round table would that be? Or is King Arthur back again, with Lancelot and the Holy Grail?

i don't think it's the USA, specifically. i believe it is the one world shadow government which has been in place for at least this past century. the jesuits, vatican, and banksters, et al.

But I thought that the NWO conspiracy was supposed to have been going on for centuries. Or was it milennia? I keep getting confused. I thought that Moses was supposed to have started it. Or was it Adam? Damn! I wish I could keep these stories straight. It's SO confusing when even the conspiracy theorists can't decide on the flavor of the day....

Originally posted by billybob
SAN FRANCISCO - A military satellite has detected auroras, those shimmering displays of colorful light, at altitudes far higher above Earth than previously known, confirming anecdotal reports from astronauts that scientists had dismissed.

scientists were wrong about something?

how could it be? 'science' is never wrong! anecdotal reports? ptooie! somebody was actually believing their own mind and eyes could see something that science 'proves' isn't there!

Ummmm.... ahhhh.... I don't think so! Nice little strawman you tried to erect there, but he fell apart before you could even stand him upright! For a start, science had never "proved" that there were no such aurora. They had never suspected that they might exist, sure, but nobody had ever PROVED them to not exist. That was an outright lie that you came up with. In fact, here is a perfect example of science workin exactly as it should. Astronauts observed a previously unknown phenomena, science responded with skepticism, evidence was sought and obtained, hypothesis were presented and tested, and s theory developed.

That is EXACLY how science is SUPPOSED to work. Why are you trying to pretend that this is anything except what it is supposed to be?

p.s. (this may be the beginning of a slow release of information regarding the central sun inside the hollow earth, which may be the cause of these 500 mile high auroras).

Naah, I'd say it's probably a release of the information regarding Planet X, which is due to arrive any time last March, April, May, June.... up to yesterday, and is already slowing the earth's rotation down at a fanstastic rate (yet is doing it without melting the crust or boiling the oceans! Amazing!) and is also flipping the poles around, and turning the planet end over end. That must be it. After all, the Zetans told Nancy all about it, and Nancy is this like totally sane, totally sound, wonderful person that murders dogs and cats, and encourages others to do the same.

Sheesh! You could at least get your conspiracies in the right order!

Originally posted by StuartAllsop
What "patterns and frequencies" are you talking about?

the magnetic feild. the shuman resonance. the memes of consciousness. this is all just, admitted wild speculation, so you don't need to chop so hard at this tree, HAHA!

perhaps to prevent an evolutionary leap

Oooops! since when does evolution "leap"? Never has, never will. By definition, evolution is a slow process that plays out over many generations, caused by genetic mutation and favored by natural selection. There have been no "leaps" in evolution. If a species were to suddenly change drastically, by definition it would NOT be evolution! I think you need to take a course in basic biology.

basic indoctrination, you mean. you have to much faith in the dogma of instutionalised brainwashing, uh, i mean learning. 'evolution' is not understood, although i'm sure you will argue until you're blue in the face that it is. it DOES happen in leaps. i'm not saying overnight, but darwin's THEORY is full of holes, and catacalysmic enviromental changes cause rapid changes in the look and feel of the flora and fauna on earth. ozone hole, anyone? decimation of rainforests? global warming? polution? radiation? microwave cooking(of us by haarp and communications networks)?

What round table would that be? Or is King Arthur back again, with Lancelot and the Holy Grail?

for a guy who's up on his conspiracy 'theory', you shouldn't have to ask. but, basically, yes, the holy grail. the once and future king, and the fabricators of history(and dogma science). the top of the masonic pyramid. the all-seeing eye cult. the shadow one world government.

But I thought that the NWO conspiracy was supposed to have been going on for centuries. Or was it milennia? I keep getting confused. I thought that Moses was supposed to have started it. Or was it Adam? Damn! I wish I could keep these stories straight. It's SO confusing when even the conspiracy theorists can't decide on the flavor of the day....

you're on your own here. my theories are mine. i'm just saying the web of power can still be proven for the last century. the brown shirts and bookburners haven't had time to cover their royal asses, yet. but, yes, i think it goes back as far as sumeria, at least. same old boy's club. are they shape-shifting reptiles? maybe. i have no proof or disproof, therefore i don't believe or disbelieve. this is called and open mind.

Originally posted by StuartAllsop
Naah, I'd say it's probably a release of the information regarding Planet X, which is due to arrive any time last March, April, May, June.... up to yesterday, and is already slowing the earth's rotation down at a fanstastic rate (yet is doing it without melting the crust or boiling the oceans! Amazing!) and is also flipping the poles around, and turning the planet end over end. That must be it. After all, the Zetans told Nancy all about it, and Nancy is this like totally sane, totally sound, wonderful person that murders dogs and cats, and encourages others to do the same.

StuartAllsop, if it weren't for the satiric nature of your posts, they would be completely informative. I don't have time to indulge in sarcasm.

By the way, it's just amazing to me that all 12 of your posts with ATS have been in my thread.

Affirmative Reaction etc,

It would be a good idea to discuss the characteristics of 'contrails'. When do they form, under what conditions, how long do they last, what is their size, what type of dispersal patters are common. Thus we could at least see if 'chemtrails' fit the characteristics of 'contrails', or are something entirely different.

One of the other potential confusions I see happening here is that some of the photos posted show cloulds under the 'potential effect of HAARP', which deflects from the original discussion of 'chemtrails'.



[Edited on 16-12-2003 by dexxy]

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
THIS statement...


"p.s. what is the function of the army, navy and airforce? answer -dealing out death to massive numbers of humans"


only goes to PROVE what an utter bunghole you are. If you had half a brain in your body you would know that this is not true. Yeah, war is an ugly thing. It sucks. I hate it. But I do what I do so you can have the freedom to be the flaming bunghole you have proven yourself to be.

Moron...I'm done with you....

nice argument. well thought out. i see how it relates to chemtrails. out of my flaming bunghole, HAHA!
if i had half a brain, i'd be dead. unless it was the bottom half. autonomous functions would continue. i would probably become meaner and more insulting. HAHA!
please hit your ignore button. zealot.

Well, you have proven yourself to be the ignorant troll we all thought you were. You have nothing to say of consequence or worth, and when that is brought to the light of day, you lash out with personal attacks that have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand...then, when you are called on the carpet for said attacks, you twist it around in attempt to make it look like the person you originally dumped on is in the wrong. Nice try...co cigar. You are using the exact same tactic as another moron we all know about...Yasser Arafat. He sends out suicide bombers to kill innocent women and children, then when the Israelis retaliate by killing the terrorists, he claims it to be an unprovoked attack. I see you have been taking lessons from him, as you indeed are the same kind of bunghole he is. This will be my last reply to you, as I WILL put you on my "ignorant" list. Just remember this...everyone here can see the trail of feces you laid to get to this point, and how your trolling brought this thread from a coherent discussion of ideas and scientific facts down to what it is now...you being the center of attention for a microsecond, as that is what trolls want. Now, go back to sitting your 400 pound azz on your triple reinforced lazyboy and typing your trollish clutter around the internet. After all, that's your life...and most likely always will be...


I say again....moron...

you are ignored....

Originally posted by dexxy
It would be a good idea to discuss the characteristics of 'contrails'. When do they form, under what conditions, how long do they last, what is their size, what type of dispersal patters are common. Thus we could at least see if 'chemtrails' fit the characteristics of 'contrails', or are something entirely different.

Contrails usually form at high altitudes and when temperatures are -40� F or below. If the air is dry, then they do not form behind a plane. If the air is somewhat moist, then the aircraft will leave a trail. The way the trail behaves depends on the measurement of relative humidity in respect to ice (RHI). If the RHI is 100%, the contrail could stay for quite some time. (greater than 100% it grows, less than 100% it decreases) If it is greater than 70-80% a contrail will form for at least a short amount of time.

Well, at least that's my understanding.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
You are using the exact same tactic as another moron we all know about...Yasser Arafat. He sends out suicide bombers to kill innocent women and children, then when the Israelis retaliate by killing the terrorists, he claims it to be an unprovoked attack.

You missed one piece of information in your statement.
"He sends out suicide bombers to kill innocent women and children, then when the Israelis retaliate by killing the terrorists (*and innocent women and children*), he claims it to be an unprovoked attack."

It is completely unfair to compare billybob to Arafat.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Just remember this...everyone here can see the trail of feces you laid to get to this point...

I've seen useless text come across my screen behind several names. I just wanted to make that clear.