Painting the sky..(pics)

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Oh, my goodness, will you look at this!

Jason, how did they form those �HAARP influenced chemtrails� back in 1819?



�Selections from a German cloud atlas In: "Wolken und andere Erscheinungen....", Thomas Forster, 1819 Figure 3 �

www.photolib.noaa.gov...

howard, that's a painting. of clouds. HAHAHAH!

[Edited on 15-12-2003 by billybob]

Originally posted by billybob


howard, that's a painting. of clouds. HAHAHAH!

[Edited on 15-12-2003 by billybob]

No # Sherlock. :/ (sorry, but that is the point.)

It was painted in 1819. long before HAARP or even airplanes.

Did you notice the long thin line in the upper part? Right over the number 1?

How about the clouds labeled with the number 3?

How are these different from the following?


Captioned: �A uniform chemtrail produced blanket, modified by HAARP�
www.lightwatcher.com...

or this one?

Originally posted by billybob
you can't convince me. 99% could be normal contrails and 1% could have nefarious substances in it.

Of course they COULD be, but there is not the slightest evidence to suugest that they actually ARE. Besides, chemmies are not claiming that only 1% of the "trails" in the sky are "chemtrails". Most chemmies are saying that ALL of them are "chemtrails", even clouds that occured naturally.

And by your line of reasoning, you personally must absoultely believe that my neighbor is hiding a dragon in his garage. You cannot prove that he isn't, so therefore he MUST have a dragon in his garage.

Get the point?

you or i would not know. if you say you can know, than you are blind in you arrogance.

Ditto! If you claim to "know" that ANY of the trails in the sky are "chemtrails", then the same applies to you.

i have seen large white jets flying IN FORMATION, perfectly parallel, going back and forth across the sky where there are no major airports near-by.

How would you know if it was the same jet going backwards and forwards, or if it was differente jets, some coming some going? Since you claim that all the jets looked the same, how could you possible tell them apart?

Besides, I don't believe your claim. You have no proof. Therefore it did not happen. And I arrive at that conclusino by using your very own line of reasoning.

no, i don't have pictures or proof, but all you serious scientific minds have to admit that without testing 100% of the contrails, nothing has been proven or disproven.

Exactly. The chemmies have proven nothing, there is not a scrap of evidence to support their claims, and there is a perfectly good, perfectly sound scientific explanation for everything that they report having seen.

is all jet exhaust exactly the same? no.

Minor differences. What is the major component of jet exhaust?

is there a patent to reduce global warming by spraying aluminum in the upper atmosphere? yes.

And your point is? There is also a patent for a weightless program through the deliberate ingestion of bacteria to make extremely sick. Does this mean that there are actually gyms and health centers using this procedure? By your logic, there MUST be, because a patent exists.

would airbourne particles of a specific resonant frequency and radio charactistic be useful in imaging and signal bouncing in association with HAARP? oh yeah.

Oh no. !!! Actually, airborne metalics would be a relam problem for radar, since they would BLOCK the signla, not ENHANCE it.

has the government ever done illegal testing of biohazardous substances on an unwary uninformed public for weapons research? yes. lots.

And your point is...?

would you know by looking the exact composition of every single contrail? no

Exactly. You CANNOT know, unless you test it. But by the same token there is no reason to suspect that any contrail is a "chemtrail", because the ALL behave like contrails do.

what is your confidence based on? thin air.

No, actually its based on science. What is yours based on?

do i believe people form the airforce, the ones allegedly responsible for the spraying, are going to be forthright and honest? HAHAHA!

But the chemmies say that it is the NAVY, not the AIRFORCE! Are you strating up a new branch of the hoax, to blame the airforce now?

by the way, guys. great game! i'm havin' a ball!!!!

Ditto!!!

they look like 'normal' clouds to you? wow, the ones I see out my window are quite a bit different.

to add fuel to the fire

Cloud seeding has been around, and used successfully, since the 1950s, with no adverse effects. USAF studies during that time were proudly published in most relevant media of the day and laboratory results were always available to anyone who was interested. Why? Because real cloud seeding is actually harmless. They can make all the clouds they want which have NO BIOLOGICALS in them. The simple truth here is that if making clouds were the reason, they would happily own up to it.

The reason for the secrecy now is for the following reasons:

1. Barium waste products are part of the "soup."
2. Desiccated red blood cells with no hemoglobin are present in ground and air samples. These blood cells contain pathogens that act like the good old
sleeper agents. These are binary weapons systems being deployed on a global level.
3. People are dying in large numbers. Talk to medical professionals. They tell the real story here and it is not a pretty one.
4. Malathion is part of the soup.
5. Dioxin is part of the soup.
6. Aluminum is part of the soup.
7. Much of the chemtrails are being done right into existing clouds on rainy days to insure that the mix will get into your water supply. The key here is
the barometer. When humidity exceeds 30%, they start spraying. Pay attention.

You will find the following disinformation strategies deployed against researchers:

* Cloud cover. Protection against the sun's rays.

* Chemtrails simply don't exist. You are imagining the whole thing.

* What deaths? Prove them. Don't rely on the CDC, they are part of the op and are in fact, lackey's for the Pentagon, as everyone here in DC knows.

* Your samples are flawed. You didn't analyze your petri dish correctly.

* A radar shield. This, by far, is the most stupid one advanced. You would be surprised how many people want to believe this.

* What sicknesses? Prove them.

a fun topic!

I've just one question:

There was one photo that I saw, from a link someone provided earlier, that shows a clear break in the contrail - it definetely seems that it was stopped and then started again.

There doesn't appear to be any sort of transition from the end of one point to the start of the other, and there are no drifting wisps on either side of the break.

I don't have any stand on this yet, one way or the other, but that one pic sends shivers up my spine.

haarp is not radar. it is microwave. barium is used for imaging, as one of you rebunkers pointed out.
anyway, my point was that there might be a dragon in the neighbors garage(my nextdoor neighbor is a reptilian, ha. a cartoon with a sign told me so). without looking, both possibilities exist.
the point of the patent is patently obvious. ozone holes and global warming contermeasures. duh. it represents a trail of logic where 'bogus' findings by 'bogus' researchers point to the same substance the patent suggests spraying into the atmosphere, aluminum. we are discussing spraying aluminum silicate and barium salts into the atmosphere. can you see the connection? a real leap of logic, eh?
the fact that the military has done testing of toxins and bioweapons on the public in the past, would suggest that they have no qualms about doing it now. do you see this far fetched free association trail. can you connect the dots?
i have nothing to suggest to me that there is a dragon in the neighbors garage. it is unlikely, but possible.
i have much evidence to suggest that chemtrails are not contrails. i have no proof, but at least i'm not outright ignoring the evidence.
WEEEEEEE!

Originally posted by Dramon
I've just one question:

There was one photo that I saw, from a link someone provided earlier, that shows a clear break in the contrail - it definetely seems that it was stopped and then started again.

There doesn't appear to be any sort of transition from the end of one point to the start of the other, and there are no drifting wisps on either side of the break.

I don't have any stand on this yet, one way or the other, but that one pic sends shivers up my spine.

There are a number of possible explanations for the picture that you describe

1. The upper atmosphere is a turbulent space. There are numerous phenomena that have been documented to exist, such as gravity waves, thermals and other forms of turbulence. It is entirely possible that two areas with very different meteorological properties exist side by side with no visible difference between the two. Thus it is possible to fly out of a contrail favorable air mass and back into it a short while later without any change in altitude or heading on the part of the plane.
   
   
2. The photo has been edited in Photoshop. This has also been a proven and documented fact in connection with some of the so called �chemtrail� photos. Unfortunately with this technology, it is often difficult to distinguish between the genuine and the fake.
   

Originally posted by mikromarius
Affirmative Reaction. What about the cloud I saw outside my window today? Do you think such clouds occur naturally? The whole sky was clear blue except for this cloud. It shone like an oil slick or a rainbow. This isn't natural at all. And when the same phenomena is reported seen by thousands of people, often in connection with unmarked aircrafts with strange flying patterns, what does that tell you?

The rainbow is a symbol of peace, and it is humans who make these clouds, these false signs of peace. As a response I have asked for the sign of war, that the sea might turn to blood, so people can understand what is going to happen. For they cry "peace peace", but a sword is coming. My God has ordered it. And it's coming fast. One third of the world's population will be killed in the worst bloodbath that has ever been on the face of the Earth.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Well, since you post neither picture or video of said cloud, there is no way to prove it's existence. However, it sounds like a "Sun Dog".... try here and see if you see something like it....but don't just describe something and ask me to tell you what it is, send me a picture!!! Cheeze, people, what do I have to say to get you to realize that PROOF MEANS PROOF...not HEARSAY!!!

Originally posted by billybob
haarp is not radar. it is microwave. barium is used for imaging, as one of you rebunkers pointed out.
anyway, my point was that there might be a dragon in the neighbors garage(my nextdoor neighbor is a reptilian, ha. a cartoon with a sign told me so). without looking, both possibilities exist.
the point of the patent is patently obvious. ozone holes and global warming contermeasures. duh. it represents a trail of logic where 'bogus' findings by 'bogus' researchers point to the same substance the patent suggests spraying into the atmosphere, aluminum. we are discussing spraying aluminum silicate and barium salts into the atmosphere. can you see the connection? a real leap of logic, eh?
the fact that the military has done testing of toxins and bioweapons on the public in the past, would suggest that they have no qualms about doing it now. do you see this far fetched free association trail. can you connect the dots?
i have nothing to suggest to me that there is a dragon in the neighbors garage. it is unlikely, but possible.
i have much evidence to suggest that chemtrails are not contrails. i have no proof, but at least i'm not outright ignoring the evidence.
WEEEEEEE!

You know, you are quickly decending to the rank of idiot....if you think there is even a remote possibility of a dragon in your neighbor's garage, and that the AF is spraying the nation with chemicals...idiots go swiftly into the "ignore" box....

Originally posted by dexxy
they look like 'normal' clouds to you? wow, the ones I see out my window are quite a bit different.

to add fuel to the fire

Cloud seeding has been around, and used successfully, since the 1950s, with no adverse effects. USAF studies during that time were proudly published in most relevant media of the day and laboratory results were always available to anyone who was interested. Why? Because real cloud seeding is actually harmless. They can make all the clouds they want which have NO BIOLOGICALS in them. The simple truth here is that if making clouds were the reason, they would happily own up to it.

The reason for the secrecy now is for the following reasons:

1. Barium waste products are part of the "soup."
2. Desiccated red blood cells with no hemoglobin are present in ground and air samples. These blood cells contain pathogens that act like the good old
sleeper agents. These are binary weapons systems being deployed on a global level.
3. People are dying in large numbers. Talk to medical professionals. They tell the real story here and it is not a pretty one.
4. Malathion is part of the soup.
5. Dioxin is part of the soup.
6. Aluminum is part of the soup.
7. Much of the chemtrails are being done right into existing clouds on rainy days to insure that the mix will get into your water supply. The key here is
the barometer. When humidity exceeds 30%, they start spraying. Pay attention.

You will find the following disinformation strategies deployed against researchers:

* Cloud cover. Protection against the sun's rays.

* Chemtrails simply don't exist. You are imagining the whole thing.

* What deaths? Prove them. Don't rely on the CDC, they are part of the op and are in fact, lackey's for the Pentagon, as everyone here in DC knows.

* Your samples are flawed. You didn't analyze your petri dish correctly.

* A radar shield. This, by far, is the most stupid one advanced. You would be surprised how many people want to believe this.

* What sicknesses? Prove them.

a fun topic!

you are SERIOUSLY demented...where, praytell, did you come up with THIS claptrap??? Of all the rantings going on here, this is the MOST outragous!!! You make even Billybob look like a PHD.....

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by billybob
haarp is not radar. it is microwave. barium is used for imaging, as one of you rebunkers pointed out.
anyway, my point was that there might be a dragon in the neighbors garage(my nextdoor neighbor is a reptilian, ha. a cartoon with a sign told me so). without looking, both possibilities exist.
the point of the patent is patently obvious. ozone holes and global warming contermeasures. duh. it represents a trail of logic where 'bogus' findings by 'bogus' researchers point to the same substance the patent suggests spraying into the atmosphere, aluminum. we are discussing spraying aluminum silicate and barium salts into the atmosphere. can you see the connection? a real leap of logic, eh?
the fact that the military has done testing of toxins and bioweapons on the public in the past, would suggest that they have no qualms about doing it now. do you see this far fetched free association trail. can you connect the dots?
i have nothing to suggest to me that there is a dragon in the neighbors garage. it is unlikely, but possible.
i have much evidence to suggest that chemtrails are not contrails. i have no proof, but at least i'm not outright ignoring the evidence.
WEEEEEEE!

You know, you are quickly decending to the rank of idiot....if you think there is even a remote possibility of a dragon in your neighbor's garage, and that the AF is spraying the nation with chemicals...idiots go swiftly into the "ignore" box....

i'll miss you dearly. hahahah!!!
you are quickly descending to the rank of ad hominem tactics, always the last ditch attempt of professional disinfo specialists.
that means i win! YAY ME!!!!! hahahahaha!

Originally posted by Dramon
There was one photo that I saw, from a link someone provided earlier, that shows a clear break in the contrail - it definetely seems that it was stopped and then started again.

I believe the trail that Dramon was referring to is a small picture in this link. Just scroll down the page until you see the trail with a break in it. It would not allow me to right click and post here.

www.anomalies-unlimited.com...

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, Dramon. I have not seen one like that before. I must have missed it the first time the link was posted by THENEO.

lol, I thought that would give you a lift. I guess with chemtrails, seeing is believing.

Originally posted by dexxy
they look like 'normal' clouds to you? wow, the ones I see out my window are quite a bit different.

And what qualifies you as an expert on clouds? What formal training have you had on meteorology and/or atmospheric physics? And please define "normal" as it relates to clouds: How do you tell if a cloud is "normal" or not?

to add fuel to the fire

Cloud seeding has been around, and used successfully, since the 1950s, with no adverse effects.

That's not actually true. Cloud seeding has proved to be of dubious effectiveness, and is still a subject of debate among both scientists and evironmental groups. At best the results were hardly statistically significant, and at worst were not even measurable. Plus, the environmentalists didn't like the idea of silver iodide being released into the atmosphere on a large scale, since little research had been done on long term effects to the evironment. So cloud seeding is still around, and still under debate, but is nowhere near as widespread or as harmless as you try to portray it.

USAF studies during that time were proudly published in most relevant media of the day and laboratory results were always available to anyone who was interested. Why? Because real cloud seeding is actually harmless. They can make all the clouds they want which have NO BIOLOGICALS in them.

What do you mean by "biologicals"? And why would a lack of "biologicals" make it safe? There are PLENTY of chemicals that are not "biological", yet are pretty deadly to people, plants and animals. Please define what you mean by "biologicals" and why a lack of these would be safe.

The simple truth here is that if making clouds were the reason, they would happily own up to it.

Who said anything about making clouds? Clouds seeding has NOTHING AT ALL to do with "making" clouds, and neither do contrails! What exactly are you trying to say here? You really are not making much sense at all! What is the connection between "making clouds" and cloud seeding?

The reason for the secrecy now is for the following reasons:

1. Barium waste products are part of the "soup."

Show your evidence. No chemmie has ever taken a sample of a "chemtrail", or had any sample at all analyzed by a reputable independant lab.

2. Desiccated red blood cells with no hemoglobin are present in ground and air samples.

Show your evidence. And please don't use Cliff Carnicom's "experiments" with HEPA filters as "evidence". That little fiasco has been totally debunked as junk science. What other source of "evidence" do you have that contrails contain red blood cells?

These blood cells contain pathogens that act like the good old sleeper agents. These are binary weapons systems being deployed on a global level.

Clearly, you don't even know what a "binary weapon" is! How on earth could blood cells by part of a "binary weapon"? Get real!

3. People are dying in large numbers. Talk to medical professionals. They tell the real story here and it is not a pretty one.

And where is the proof of your claim? There has been NO increase in the mortality rate, and in fact it continues to DECREASE as science and technology advance. It would be nice if you would at least try to INVENT some numbers to support your outrageous claims, rather than to just fling them out there in the hope that some gullible fool will accept them, without bothering to check.

4. Malathion is part of the soup.

Really? And your evidence would be.... ? I didn't notice you posting any proof or supporting data to back up your silly claim.

5. Dioxin is part of the soup.

Really? And your evidence would be.... ? I didn't notice you posting any proof or supporting data to back up your silly claim.

6. Aluminum is part of the soup.

Really? And your evidence would be.... ? I didn't notice you posting any proof or supporting data to back up your silly claim.

7. Much of the chemtrails are being done right into existing clouds on rainy days to insure that the mix will get into your water supply.

Wow! Since you claim to be privvy to this highly secret information, I guess that makes you part of the conspiracy, right? If not, then how would you know this?

The key here is the barometer. When humidity exceeds 30%, they start spraying. Pay attention.

Strange you should say that, because other chemmies do not agree with you. They have been reporting "spraying" in all kinds of conditions. What do you know that they don't? How come they are all lying, according to you?

You will find the following disinformation strategies deployed against researchers:

Researchers? What researchers are you referring to? There isn't ONE SINGLE qualified scientist among the whole bunch of chemmies! A researcher must have at least a basic understanding of real science, and I have yet to find a chemmie who fits that bill.

* Cloud cover. Protection against the sun's rays.

Well, contrails certainly are of some concern to scientists, becuase they haven't figured out yet if they are helping the environment, or hindering it, heating it or cooling it. The jury is still out, so I don't think you'll find any debumkers claiing that "chemtrails" are deliberate attempts to protect anyone!

* Chemtrails simply don't exist. You are imagining the whole thing.

Well, that's true! Chemtrails do not exist. Contrails do, so you are not imaging�ing it; you really are seeing contrails.

* What deaths? Prove them. Don't rely on the CDC, they are part of the op and are in fact, lackey's for the Pentagon, as everyone here in DC knows.

So where are YOU getting your information from then? What makes YOUR numerbs valid? It would actually probbaly help your case if you would invent some numbers, since just shouting "People are dying" without providing any evidence of your claim is pretty silly. How come the newspaper obituary columns are not any bigger than usual? How come funeral homes are not seeing any more business than they usually do? How come cemeteries are not filling up any faster than normal? How come coffin makers, gravestone carvers, and all the others are not doing a booming business?

How do you explain all these discrepancies? Or is it that EVERYONE is involved in the conspiracy? Are you really claiming that people make a special effort to NOT publish obituaries for theri deceased loved ones, that funeral homes are secretly burying all these millions of dead people in hidden cemetaries, with no head stones or coffins, just to fool YOU?

Get real!

* Your samples are flawed. You didn't analyze your petri dish correctly.

What samples? No chemmie has ever bothered to take a sample of a "chemtrail", so how in hell could you possibly have any samples?

* A radar shield. This, by far, is the most stupid one advanced. You would be surprised how many people want to believe this.

Ummm... yup! Have to agree with you! But the "radar shield" and "UV shield" are NOT ideas proposed by debunkers! These are ideas propsed by YOUR OWN FELLOW CHEMMIES! How come you feel the need to belittle your own fellow conspirators? Whay are you so upset with them? What did they do to you?

* What sicknesses? Prove them.

No, don't bother proving sickness. Just show that there is any INCREASE in sickness, and show the causal link between that increase and "chemtrails".

a fun topic!

Yep! But you really shoud do a better job of fleshing out your strawmen. They look very flimsy, and it really isn't convincing at all when you knock them down with a flourish: They would have fallen over of therir own accord after a few seconds...

notice the tone and arrogance of the disinfo pros. meant to denegrate and belittle. truly gracious of these huge intellects is it not?
the purpose of course, is the same as that associated with UFO 'whackos'. you didn't see it and you were never probed and that scoop mark is from falling in the shower.
ridicule gives the pavlovian human response of shame, which then leads to silence.
why can none of these (professional) debunkers debunk without the superior mocking tone? because that's not what they were taught in persuasion school. i notice the 'chemmies' are way more polite and open minded.
we are all but straw dogs, stuart my freind. if you think your superiors give a hoot about you, good luck with that. i'll say this for all us poor deluded 'chemmies'. we care. there's a lotta love in the room!

p.s. what is the function of the army, navy and airforce? answer -dealing out death to massive numbers of humans.

p.s.s. everything all you debunkers have said is just hearsay, too. stomp your feet and get real mad. welcome to info war world and the new media. (some of)you guys are VERY intelligent. however, the day you think you "know", is the day you have become an ignorant child(i know, though, that it is your job to hold hard and fast to the party line, "they are contrails, they are NEVER other substances in jet exhaust", you're just doing your job. that's cool.). the god, SCIENCE is constantly changing it's hard and fast rules. ask a physicist who is pissed off because his particle theory has been 'debunked' by string theory. so all this atmospheric this and that talk is just pissing in the wind. both sides of the argument. connections to patents, admissions of past guilt and house bills are not so easily dismissed. the real world and the virtual world are merging. the rules have changed. you've come to a gun fight with a knife.

p.s.s. ALL "proof" is based on a previous assumption(the first of which is that you are you, and that it's not all maya, the veil of illusion). an experiment can be done nine million times giving identical results. this is no guarantee that the next time won't be different.

"overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -, from 'ghost in the shell'

Can anyone here prove or disprove the existence of chemtrails, we all know contrails exist but all I seem to hear from everyone saying that chemtrails dont exist is that contrails and chemtrails are all contrails, Ive seen no scientific and verifiable proof one way or another, just a back and forth Im right youre wrong so is anyone here gonna prove it one way or another?

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Personally I believe there is something to the Chemtrails regardless of what anyone else here thinks!

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Originally posted by StuartAllsop
Well, that's true! Chemtrails do not exist. Contrails do, so you are not imaging�ing it; you really are seeing contrails.

Spoken like a true disinfo.

This whole thread a few people seem too adamant about persuading people that chemtrails don't exist. This line did it for me though.

I was wondering how hard it would be to analyze a 'trail'.

Would you have take a plane and fly through the 'trail' or could you somehow do it from the ground?

Now I'm not saying I'm an expert at anything but I suppose if you go up with a plane wouldn't the propeller disperse the 'trail'?



I also personally believe that there is something to 'chemtrails'.

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[Edited on 15-12-2003 by jackopsychopants]

Originally posted by tracer
Can anyone here prove or disprove the existence of chemtrails, we all know contrails exist but all I seem to hear from everyone saying that chemtrails dont exist is that contrails and chemtrails are all contrails, Ive seen no scientific and verifiable proof one way or another, just a back and forth Im right youre wrong so is anyone here gonna prove it one way or another?

exactly. which takes us back to , "what would you accept as proof"? my eyes and memory are good enough for me, but no kind of "proof" for anyone else. i will admit, unlike the pro debunking disinfo types, that i might be wrong. debunkers, on the other hand, have nothing but absolute faith that everything in every jet trail is just condensation. absolute faith that the military/industrial complex wouldn't hurt anyone(nevermind that it is their whole raison d'etre).

Personally I believe there is something to the Chemtrails regardless of what anyone else here thinks!

stick to your guns, man.

Originally posted by jackopsychopants

I was wondering how hard it would be to analyze a 'trail'.

Would you have take a plane and fly through the 'trail' or could you somehow do it from the ground?

Yes, you could do it from the ground, but not nearly so accurately. You'd need to do a spectral analysis of the sunlight being reflected from the contrails, and that would tell you what chemical elements are present. However, it isn't quite that easy, since you'd also need to subtract the light spectrum from the air between you and the trail, and also form the air behind the trail. That isn't so easy. On the other hand, since "chemtrails" are supposed 100% aluminium and also 100% barium, considering that normal air has very little of either of these elements, it shouldn't be a problem.

All you'd need for this would be a good spectrometer, and someone who is fully trained to use it and analise the results. This would probably be the cheapest way. You might even be able to persuade your local univeristy to do it for free, if you could interest a group of students in doing a thesis on "the environmental impact of contrail chemicals", or somesuch.

Now I'm not saying I'm an expert at anything but I suppose if you go up with a plane wouldn't the propeller disperse the 'trail'?

Yes, it probably would, but you would avoid that problem by mounting your sampling equipment at some point on the plane that experiences a free air flow, unaffected by the aircraft aerodynamics. Perhaps a probe sticking forward from one wing tip, or from the tip of the tail, or something like that.

however, I don't think you'd be doing it in a propeller powered aircraft, since not many of those are able to climb to the altitudes where conrails form. You'd really need a jet of some kind, probably a small business jet. You can pick one of those up for a couple of million, used. Then the mods for the probe and equipment shouldn't cost you more than a few hundred thousand...

But there is a MUCH cheaper way: Just get on an airliner, and take samples of the cabin air. The air inside the plane comes from blled air form the jet engines, so what you breath inside the plane is exactly the same as what is outside, except that it is pressurized. So, if you take samples of cabin air in an airliner, you are actually getting samples of the outside air. If you chose your timing carefully, you could get samples just as you pass through those layers of "chemcloud" that chemmies always talk about.

This would probably be the cheapest method of all! For the cost of an airticket, and a lab sampling kit, you could get a bunch of samples. Probbaly your toughest problem would be getting your sampling kit through security....

I also personally believe that there is something to 'chemtrails'.

I don't, but if there is, then any of these three methods would get you the results that you'd need to prove it, one way or another. You'd just need to be careful to porperly document your chain of custody, your sampling methodology, your controls, your lab analyses, etc. You could probably have some basic results for a few hundred dollars, and more detailed data for a few thousand.

I dont think you could get a very accurate reading of the air in a jetliner because the air is cooled and then highly
filtered before reaching the passenger compartments.

www.boeing.com...

As you can see the air you breath is not ths same as the outside air.
Maybe thats the reason the air is filtered on airliners, to keep people from breathing any contaminants, would not be good for business if people got sick everytime they fly.

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