My homeschooled daughter lacks socialization...or so they rant...

Originally posted by MAKESUGOHMMMM
it's your intelligence that scares them away!!!!!

Hahaha.

I guess it's just that I don't have the sme interests as most people, making me "different". I'm more of a geek, but if you looked at me you wouldn't think so.

A few geeky things about me:

Favorite subject: Math
Instrument: Violin
Sport: Golf
Board game: Chess
Video game: Tetris
Music: Classical
Talents: Doing mental mathematical feats, solving a Rubik's Cube, chess, learning something incredibly well in a very limited amount of time

Alots more things I can't think of right now...

No, I don't have a pocket protector! Those are for amateurs.

I don't carry a graphing calculator with me everywhere, in fact, I don't even have one (Although one for christmas would be nice)! An abacus is useful enough.

My son is 12 and my daughter is almost 2. Public school does have its drawbacks. They can only teach so much in a day. So it is up to the parents to fill in the rest.
Home school or public schooling does not mean much if the parents do not support the child. It is not the school that is bad,just some parts of society that are. And they will be there when school is done.

I agree with you on all of the accounts except one: Vile rap and rock music. This is a matter of opinion, and so is "impotent teachers." The rest I agree with you, hell, the teachers thing I agree with. But, to say that all rock and rap is wrong, is an unfair judgement I believe. I love rock and rap, and I am by far, am not a bad person but try to live my life good. So, that is an unfair opinion I believe. Other than that, good for you!

-wD

Machine, if your child needs socializing more, then get them to join some outside clubs, sporting, hobbies, recreational, etc.

School does not provide that great an environment for postive socialization. You can find better.

Webdevil,

I concede that some rap and some rock music is not bad at all, which songs in particular do you listen to? Most of the music I hear pumping out of kiddy cars is anything but good. Are you going to argue that the music most kids listen to in public school is void of profanity and disgusting slurs?

We all know what most young juveniles listen to and it sure as hell isn�t the Beach Boys!

Ice Cube
Ice T
Snoop Doggy Dog
Eminem
Marilyn Manson
Korn
Danzig

Shall I continue?

Our children are being bombarded with gross immorality at a rate that is mind numbing. I pity the parent that has to fight both our corrupt educational system and the negative peer influences that public slum schools provide.

My daughter is happy and innocent, I plan on keeping her that way as long as this society will allow. Some day with my master plan and Gods grace she will grow to be a strong, intelligent and spiritually grounded adult who is prepared to go into the world and fight with honor!


Machine

LoL..funny that you mention Korn as I am listening to it LOL!

Well, I enjoy Eminem and other rappers as well, and I understand your point of view as a parent, and raising your kid in a safe environment is great, and kudos to you for that, I think I am talking about a different age range..13 - 17 maybe? I believe that music doesn't alter moods, its the person's choice when it comes down to it. Anyways, that was off topic, but thanks for clarifying.

-wD

sorry, i just found this thread and wanted to comment:

Originally posted by Machine
I pushed my daughter out into traffic today. She didn�t want to go but I made her with one big shove. She cried for me to save her but I wanted her to see the world for what it is. I know some of you might argue that shoving a two year old into traffic is unkind to kids and cars but I wanted her to experience the hardships of life firsthand to better develop her young coping skills. I must admit that although I wanted her to escape this life lesson under her own power I did have to jump in and pull her out. I guess I�ll have to wait until she is grown before I next push her out into traffic. Maybe with a grown set of legs and a mind more fully developed she will have the edge she needs to shuck and jive her way across the street to safety.


Machine

You can either keep your child in a wheelchair(homeschooling) and finally throw her out of in onto the street when she turns 18, or you can slowly show her the dangers of a street so that when she is on her own, she wont get hit.

I know I can't speak from a mothers point of view, but i know plenty of people who were either homeschool until they entered high school or college. They were shocked at everything that happens in those senarios and can barely stand to walk through a hallway because of all the stuff going on around them. is that what u want for your daughter, to feel surrounded by corruption, alone and trying to make sence of it all? you cant keep her innocent forever

Originally posted by Machine
Greetings,

The silly season is upon us all, a time for joy, giving and love. A time to be shared with family and friends. For me however, it�s a time for combat of the interpersonal nature. My wife�s family just loves our public school system here in America and cannot understand why I chose to home school my daughter. Their favorite collective argument can be summed up in one sentence, �she will not be properly socialized at home, she needs to be in a public school.�

Drugs, sexual promiscuity, foul language, vile rap and rock music, undisciplined children, impotent teachers, chaotic learning environments, bullies, God free zones, and extreme violence.

You know, come to think of it, they are right, my daughter does indeed lack all of these social influences. I�ll go enroll her today!


Machine

[Edited on 2-12-2003 by Machine]

whats wrong with rock music?

[Edited on 2-12-2003 by forsakenwayfarer]

Originally posted by Machine
We all know what most young juveniles listen to and it sure as hell isn�t the Beach Boys!

Ice Cube
Ice T
Snoop Doggy Dog
Eminem
Marilyn Manson
Korn
Danzig

any rap fan will tell you that nobody listens to Ice T anymore. I think he was listened to in the late 80's...lol. As for your daughter, forget about public school,home schooling is the way to go. you wouldn't believe how much damage public schools did to me.

Peace,TSK

so many good points! i guess i'm mixed. my 8 year old goes to a private catholic school, not for the religion but for the academics, my teenager goes to an elite public. if that makes sense..one needs a 3.5 gpa or better to attend. if my husband has his way( he won't) my son will follow thru to cathedral prep, an all boys school. there are certain rites of passage that our children must have. interaction with the opposite sex and not ones that are chosen by our parents. how about peer pressure and making the rite choice without being under the watchful eye of parents. making wrong decisions gives us wisdom. when i asked my parents about sex, drugs and rock and roll they said no, no and no! i educated myself..the result were not good! if you do follow thru with home school educate her on these or she WILL herself! as far as music goes it is art at it's finest! freedom of speech forms of expression of the human soul! there is charles schulz and there is rembrandt... there is marylyn manson and there is mozart! show her let HER learn let her find her own wisdom!

The lack of social engineering foisted upon your child combined with your genuine desire to actually educate him or her can beat our present system anyday.

Believe me I know lots of teachers and some of them are quite good, but then again some of them are quite bad too.

The unions ruined the entire education system up here in Canada. Their goal is to always get more money from the taxpayer for the teachers doing less and less.

Furthermore, teachers are socialistic and they are more interested in the socialistic conditioning of your child along with an atheistic orientation. At worst they are into some occultic satanic based pseudo faith.

Hang in there,

when Christ returns (maybe he has?), then people like you will be part of the new state created in god's image.

MAKESUGOHMMMM,

I disagree of course, I believe that it is the parents responsibility to control the child�s environment until that child is an adult. I can tell from your final statements that we come from two different world views. I don�t believe that wisdom is something to be found �within us�. I believe in the Bible as the standard for morality and will raise my daughter to understand why she should also accept its wisdom. I respect your right to raise your children as you deem fit but I have other plans.

I do plan on allowing my daughter to experience some of this worlds darker realities but I will do this under my guidance and at a rate that she can understand and absorb without destroying her foundation. I agree with your reference to music as having a form of expression from the human soul but it�s the nature of that expression that is often damaging to our youth. I�m a keen observer of human interaction and I must say that much of today�s youth are some of the most depressed and mentally damaged of any this country has ever seen. Music impacts the mind and soul of all who listen to it for better or worse.

Your comparing Marilyn Manson to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart?

Aye karumbah!

Machine

people who drive their own belief systems down a childs throat like you are no better than those socially engineering them. imho...

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
people who drive their own belief systems down a childs throat like you are no better than those socially engineering them. imho...

ooooo best thing in this thread so far.

Machine, did u join ATS just to complain about how other ppl do not like homeschooling as much as u do? because it seems like all but maybe one or two of your posts are in just this thread

Machine,
I was raised in private school, we had about 45 students, from grades K-12, at most. I also spent grades 4-6 and 10-11 in home school.

I resented my parents somewhat for not sending me to public school, at the time, because all of my friends went there. At my school we had uniforms and we didn't sit in classrooms like normal schools. We had desks that ran along the walls with dividers between each student, like a small cubicle. Our studies were basically self-contained, and if we needed help we raised a flag to ask for the teacher to come to our desk. The same curriculum was used while I home-schooled.

Everyone told my parents the same thing you are hearing. "They won't be able to socialize with other kids.", "They won't be prepared for real life.", etc.

In my case, none of this came true. The reason is because I lived in a neighborhood with many kids my own age and I was not restricted from playing with them. If my parents had tried to stop me from socializing with people who were not of their value system, things may have turned out differently. I was not allowed to go see Freddy Krueger or Jason movies, but I got the stories from my friends who did. The music that you worry about, will be heard, one way or another, unless you don't allow your son any freedom. I was only allowed to listen to oldies and talk radio as a kid, and we had no t.v., but I still managed to listen to "forbidden" music.

The most important thing you can do with a child who is home-schooled, is find ways for them to interact with other kids who are not home-schooled. Make sure that they understand why they are home-schooled and set a strong personal example for them to follow. I do not share all of my parents beliefs, and it drives them nuts, but they succeeded in teaching me to think for myself and not follow the crowd. Don't forbid them from being involved in things, without being able to give them an honest justification for it. Kids need to know that their parents trust them to make good decisions, and that they share a mutual respect. Trying to protect them from every dangerous aspect of the world, will only make them try harder to experience those things. That is why so many "sheltered" kids rebel and get into trouble. For instance, making issues like sex, cut and dry, usually will end up backfiring. If they learn WHY, the pros and cons, they should wait for sex, and are trusted to make the right decision, they are more likely to act responsibly.

There is a lot of pain and disillusionment upon entering the "real world", but everyone has to experience it at some point. A child can be home-schooled and not be sheltered. There are some things I was unprepared for, but I also retained my sense of innocence and trust in people. I held on to the belief that people are inherently good and, to this day, I am a hopeless romantic. I also developed a strong case of empathy, though I think that comes from my mother being a very empathetic person.

My one regret, is that it was true about being scared to go to college. I never experienced what it was like to make my way around a large campus or be surrounded by so many people, and the idea terrified me. I am also naturally shy, though, and that may have played a part in my fear. I would suggest allowing 1 year, at least, in a large school, so that your son can get used to the classroom atmosphere, the notetaking, lecturing,etc.

"Drugs, sexual promiscuity, foul language, vile rap and rock music, undisciplined children, impotent teachers, chaotic learning environments, bullies, God free zones, and extreme violence."

Machine....Whether you admit it or know it, or dont know it..i have to tell you some things.

When your Child grows up....They are going to want to experiment, go out, see people, friends...What real friends are they going to have?

They will find foul language on TV. On the street. Impotent teachers...Do you really believe that you and ur wife have all the knowledge that the teachers in public schools have? They did have to go to univeristy to become a teacher, do the work, etc. Especially when it comes to maths, physics, etc.


Extreme Violence? Ur Daughter will recieve such at a public school? i doubt it.

God-Free-Zones? Your child will grow up and think for themselves and what they think about God, and if it's a load of # or not.

Bullies? When she starts growing older, wants to experience new things, and starts rebelling....You and Ur wife will be the bullies. The only Teachers, Friends, she relaly has...and if she doesn't want to do something.....she is still forced to do it......

Chaotic Learning Environments: It is a chaotic world.


Vile Rap and Rock music???? AAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAH
You are palcing so many restrictions on your daughter....it is unbelieveable. You have just taken away her freedom. Taht is all you are doing. You are going to make her listen to certain kinds of music? What was that? A dictatorship? Havn't you heard about art and freedom of expression? i love my Rock music, Alternative music, Techno, hell i like heaps of different types of music. Just because you have a problem with music doesn't mean your daughter will. She will like what she likes. You are really placing alot fo restrictions to your daughter.

Bullying? Teasing? What happens when she gets out into the real world away from mummy and daddy, and she gets teased for having red hair, or teased for being fat, wearing glasses, teased for some sort of reason, or bullied a little bit...Will she cry? She has to learn to stick up for herself, learn to be able to make coments back, tease back, tell the person to # off.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
Bullying? Teasing? What happens when she gets out into the real world away from mummy and daddy, and she gets teased for having red hair, or teased for being fat, wearing glasses, teased for some sort of reason, or bullied a little bit...Will she cry? She has to learn to stick up for herself, learn to be able to make coments back, tease back, tell the person to # off.

Well, I know that, for me at least, I did and do not have many of the media induced hang-ups that most girls my age have. I did not develop the need to be at the height of fashion, or constantly wear makeup. I learned that it doesn't matter what others think about me personally, only what I think of me. One of the worst things that kids learn, from the media and other kids, is that they have to conform to the majority or face being an outcast. I've heard 8 year old girls talking about having hairy legs or needing makeup, and it makes me cringe. Maybe growing up without a TV is what allowed me to be different, but I think that not being surrounded by the materialism that is such a part of today's youth also played a major role.

Oh come on Darage, lets not get hysterical about it.
I don't know what sort of people you mix with but not many adults I know tease people because they have red hair, wear glasses, are fat etc.

If you DID have those attributes then getting through your adolescence without being reduced to an emotional wreck, neurotic mess, or low self esteem schmuk, would be an EXCELLENT reason for being home schooled.

The adult world is FAR nicer than the world of adolescents at high school, which can be a very destructive place.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
Bullying? Teasing? What happens when she gets out into the real world away from mummy and daddy, and she gets teased for having red hair, or teased for being fat, wearing glasses, teased for some sort of reason, or bullied a little bit...Will she cry? She has to learn to stick up for herself, learn to be able to make coments back, tease back, tell the person to # off.