Being judgmental in the eyes of God

Thank you for your clear thoughts, I think every bit the way you yourself think about this topic. I have a tendency to get beyond my words sometimes and may send off a wrong signal. So if anyone wants to understand what I'm asking and feeling, I'll refer you to *Seekerofs* post.

TC-You live and base your life and views on the bible big time! There may be not a thing wrong with that, but this is where your strong judgements play out..bend a little TC, would it kill you? You don't have to break to bend. Try considering what some people also see as right according to the laws of God without all the mixed up messages sent forth over time through the bible. Where would you be right now belief-wise if there were never a bible? Would you still believe in God? I don't hate, disagree or agree with the bible. But to put so much faith into words that were even changed and altered over time holds little water in where we stand now against oneanother, under God. We aren't living in biblical times and dealing with the ways of their time. So why should we strictly abide by some book as though we are prophets and people of a time that no longer exists? Those judgments were for those people, not us.

If you think it's a better way to live, or the right way to live to judge people by their faith(s) and choices(be it sexual, holy-wise, political etc..) then ok, continue to do so, I'm not one to say you are wrong or right. And I'm not trying to change you.

Do you honestly think that in the end YOUR or MY judgment(s) *of others* matters that much to God? He's the one who decides where we go, not you and I. We ourselves make our choices in life, which some may later change accordingly, so what place is it then for us to continue to judge another as though we are the ultimate deciding factor on where the end up when they die??
Magestica

I mean it! You hit the nail on the head with everything you've stated. We basically entrap our own selves in a delusional/judgmental world with no reasoning behind it.
We are sending people to heaven or hell by the choices they make in life. Our rights are being taken by eachother and we don't even realize it(sometimes) We have created our own hell for eachother right here on earth. And I'm well aware that one such person or even thousands can never bring the world to acknowledge this..and I'm far from the point of my own life to be great enough to not judge, but it does not mean that I'm not working on it for myself. This is the whole reason I've come to ATS, why I post my sometimes pathetic water-like emotional feelings about life, so I can make my world and those involved in my world better..by way of thoughts just like the ones you've left here in this post. There is not a single thing wrong with changing oneself, to better oneself..noone ever said we HAD to hate and suffer if the writing is on the wall to distinguish it from our own life(s).

Change isn't always about only being able to better the entire planet, change can be within one person and give light to one more, it's a chain that was broken along time ago, but we are the links that can bring it together..and that's my philosophy which i'm totally prepared to defend.

Thanks alot mOjOm

[Edited on 11/20/03 by magestica]

Originally posted by magestica
I mean it! You hit the nail on the head with everything you've stated. We basically entrap our own selves in a delusional/judgmental world with no reasoning behind it.
We are sending people to heaven or hell by the choices they make in life. Our rights are being taken by eachother and we don't even realize it(sometimes) We have created our own hell for eachother right here on earth. And I'm well aware that one such person or even thousands can never bring the world to acknowledge this..and I'm far from the point of my own life to be great enough to not judge, but it does not mean that I'm not working on it for myself. This is the whole reason I've come to ATS, why I post my sometimes pathetic water-like emotional feelings about life, so I can make my world and those involved in my world better..by way of thoughts just like the ones you've left here in this post. There is not a single thing wrong with changing oneself, to better oneself..noone ever said we HAD to hate and suffer if the writing is on the wall to distinguish it from our own life(s).

Change isn't always about only being able to better the entire planet, change can be within one person and give light to one more, it's a chain that was broken along time ago, but we are the links that can bring it together..and that's my philosophy which i'm totally prepared to defend.

Thanks alot mOjOm

[Edited on 11/20/03 by magestica]

sorry did something wrong

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

I think I can judge where a person is a good person or not after meeting them a few times.

Whether or not they get to heaven or not is not my decision but Gods.

There are alot of people I am not looking forward to meeting in heaven. There were alot of people who werent nice to me that I hope I dont see. There are some people who wernt going to make it, but cowboyed up and are doing a great job.

Originally posted by magestica

Originally posted by jozuph
so where do u put your believes then ? Whats worse or better bout people judging others in the name of god or the bible..? Who are u to judge, what do some here dont follow, god or the bible, what wrong with eithr of em ?what makes u better then people who put there fiath in the bilble ? That sounds very very sad...why dont u put the fiath in yourself, whats wrong with your OWN judgement ? Dont u trust yourself ? we dont posses the power but do posses the abillity ? Doesnt sound like a clean rhyme to me..where should your faith be then ?

I'll go down the list and try to answer the best I can.

1)I put my belief in the Supreme Being.
2)There is nothing better about judging people in the name of 'God' that's not our area of life(IMO) What's worse is we are NOT God, why judge His people as though we are?
3)I never have said anywhere here that I judge anyone by way of their beliefs. Where did you dig this question from?
4)Again..I never said I was better or worse, I admitted to also being judgmental myself. Are you still following me here??
5)I have every bit of faith in myself..I just don't judge people AS God does!? Where are you finding this sad?
5)Completely
6) No we DON'T possess the *power*. Can YOU send someone to heaven or hell upon judging them? Yes we do possess the ability, we judge..all the time, but with what right? What right do you or I have to judge the person next to us because he/she is colored, can't speak english, worships Buddah, does not believe in Jesus, is also gay and mentally handicapped/physically handicapped? All these things and more, we judge and this is normal human nature, but to judge the above description of a person according to the 'laws' of God, is not right..sorry, it's not.
7)Again, my faith is in #1 above, my faith is in you, in me and all people..but what does 'faith' have to do with my concerns?

jozeph, I have no idea how you came to all these conclusions through my Topic/comments. I'm glad you asked though, now you have no conclusions to build upon. Talk about judging someone, poorly. You did by way of jumping to all your conclusions about me. This post is not about me being a better person then anyone else, it's about trying to understand how and why some individuals judge me, judge you and others for their choices and then base their choices on whether or not they have rights to heaven, or should be condemed to hell..Do you understand what I'm saying now?
Magestica

yeah i do, sorry i jumped into it yesterday from the gays-religion thread and was a bit arroussed..but why do you believe in god ? And what if i say that most things that have been done in the name of god look more like the work of the devil, killing people..man i had loads of questions, wich i believe believers cant answer so thats why they dont respond, not talking bout u here but maybe u can comment...I cant send noone to heaven nor hell, cause in my wolrd there are no heaven and no hell..I do respect that u believe and ofcourse we all judge people, u also want a botfriend/girl that looks nice and not one that looks like a bag of weed..
Everybody judges and thats not a problem..till a certain point afcourse, for instance to judge that gays are bad cause god said so is so ignorant, then u dont get the idea i think..because there is no god, so u cant judge in his name wich u also dont do...but a lott do..i think religion is made up to control the masses, in the early days, now more and more people stop believing and i think the world will be a much better place if no one would believe anymore in a god..dont ask me why, i mean its well know what all has been done in the name of this god, and most was not so nice..thats why i also asked, isnt god the devil ?

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions here..don't ever be afraid to ask, eventually the right person will come along and acknowledge your questions as legit and answer to the best 'they' know from their life and trials and such And thus eventually you may get the answer(s) you are seeking.

You want to know *why* I believe in a Supreme Being? Because I just do, it comes from somewhere unknown within me, that feels righter then anything else, a place where I feel 'God' without religion, without church, without the bible. There once was a thread here some time ago asking "How would you/we believe if we were chimps"? This goes much deeper then the question conveys, if we were infact without documentation such as the holy scripture and such, where would we be then, who/what would we worship?

The church of God resides inside of all of us, some open and attend, some peer through the doors and listen over the years and some are maybe afraid to open the door and maybe shut the door or never open it. But believe me, God is there. No book, no other person, no religion can ever possess what lives inside of us all from the beginning..

This is how I came to know 'God' and you know what, if I'm wrong and if people want to think I've lost total perspective, let them..Let 'God' be my judge in the end, I have that much faith that I'm willing to place everything I believe in Him and Him alone.
Magestica

What were your other questions? Open yourself up here, this is why we all come here

[Edited on 11/20/03 by magestica]

Originally posted by magestica
There is nothing wrong with asking questions here..don't ever be afraid to ask, eventually the right person will come along and acknowledge your questions as legit and answer to the best 'they' know from their life and trials and such

And thus eventually you may get the answer(s) you are seeking.

You want to know *why* I believe in a Supreme Being? Because I just do, it comes from somewhere unknown within me, that feels righter then anything else, a place where I feel 'God' without religion, without church, without the bible. There once was a thread here some time ago asking "How would you/we believe if we were chimps"? This goes much deeper then the question conveys, if we were infact without documentation such as the holy scripture and such, where would we be then, who/what would we worship?

The church of God resides inside of all of us, some open and attend, some peer through the doors and listen over the years and some are maybe afraid to open the door and maybe shut the door or never open it. But believe me, God is there. No book, no other person, no religion can ever possess what lives inside of us all from the beginning..

This is how I came to know 'God' and you know what, if I'm wrong and if people want to think I've lost total perspective, let them..Let 'God' be my judge in the end, I have that much faith that I'm willing to place everything I believe in Him and Him alone.
Magestica

What were your other questions? Open yourself up here, this is why we all come here

[Edited on 11/20/03 by magestica]

actually magestica my most prominent question was And what if i say that most things that have been done in the name of god look more like the work of the devil..but i think your not the right person to ask this too now, Since u believe in your own higher being.
Are u in a relationship with a normal human being ? I ask this because i think i would find it hard to life with some who put all that he or she lifes for in the hands of a supreme being. I have the believe that we are all equal, theres no hihger something and i have the believe that a lott of # happens because people see themselfs as being higher then other, being it a being i your case. Iam just trying to understand whats the point in believing in a higher being, i mean what do u get out of it that u cant find with for instance a normal being, like we humans are ?
if i understand you correctly u think it is necessary to worship something, being it god or a higher being. I dont worship anything, maybe my girl but that on another level :]
I think that if god was there i would also feel him, or does god dicriminate ? does he put people like u on a higher level then people like me ? Cause i dont feel him.
now dont say open up, iam mad open :]]
well thx for your time and the questions so far..joz
euh answers that is

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

As Always, being fashionably late...

#1...i'm not going to be caught-up in the Paralaysis of Analysis debacle. which the judge-not-lest-Ye...is!
>>an infinity of correspondences

Originally posted by riffraffalunas
As Always, being fashionably late...

#1...i'm not going to be caught-up in the Paralaysis of Analysis debacle. which the judge-not-lest-Ye...is!
>>an infinity of correspondences

well from a biblical perspective it says not to judge or you will be judged yourself (then again theres another verse that says its ok to judge, go figure).

from a non biblical and my own personal perspective i believe that only god has the right to judge other people, if he even does judge at all. from numerous near death experiences i've read, the only person who truley judges us is our own personal selves.

Originally posted by mutehalo
well from a biblical perspective it says not to judge or you will be judged yourself (then again theres another verse that says its ok to judge, go figure).

from a non biblical and my own personal perspective i believe that only god has the right to judge other people, if he even does judge at all. from numerous near death experiences i've read, the only person who truley judges us is our own personal selves.

So in your first sentence u actually state that the bible contradicts itself what makes it a load of bollocks. Was GOD not capable to write a good book ? How can he then be capable to judge us..

Originally posted by jozuph

So in your first sentence u actually state that the bible contradicts itself what makes it a load of bollocks. Was GOD not capable to write a good book ? How can he then be capable to judge us..

my personal theory on the bible is that it while it is in a way the word of god, humans ultimately incorperated thier own personal biases and beliefs into thier intreptations of these messages they recieved from god. hence the incositancies and contradictions.

[Edited on 21-11-2003 by mutehalo]