Being judgmental in the eyes of God

This is the biggest God related conspiracy I've seen in my time here on earth. And yes, this topic is based on some of the 'other' topics floating around in R&S and conspiracies.

Does anyone, any man woman or child, have any right whatsoever to judge from the eyes of God? Are any of us God? Do we possess the power to send someone to heaven or hell based on 'judgments' or anything else for the matter? Why consume yourself with this type of weight/burden? Why waste precious energy judging our fellow human brothers and sisters according to their paths and choices in life?

Any thoughts??

i believe that we can judge people,because we will know them by there fruits,thats what the bible says,and it says seperate the yoke from the un-yoke,isnt that judging that certain person or group?
but we have to show them love and try to show them the error of there ways,and bring them to the faith,and help them.

Anyone can judge another person. That is not the question. The question is whether someone can "Judge in the eyes of God". Absolutely not. You can not judge in the eyes of another person or entity. You don't know what that person or entity is feeling or believes. No matter what you read or believe. Only God, if there is one or not isn't the issue here, can judge in his (or her or its) eyes. to answer your question in a nutshell....not possible.

This is about God..there is a difference. Some of us here do not follow and put our faith in the bible, we put it where it belongs and should be.

We possess not the power, yet the ability to judge mankind..this is one of the major things I see wrong with ALL religions. Such fools are we all. Me included here, I'm not stating I'm past being judgmental..just releasing myself.

isnt it god who judges ? the eyes of god ? whats that ? I have my own eyes and i judges the world with my eyes according my believes..are we god ? no if we where god then who is god ?
Can we send someone to hell or heaven ? Can we ? i cant thats for shure, i cant sends nobody to places that dont excist, can u ? Can god, no i dont think so..we die and get burried, on the nextdoor graveyard, get eaten by evolutionary influenced creatures...judgement should be left to judges, on topics concering laws and people that break em should be judged, not based on an untold story called the bible..Is there a devil, like i said b4, maybe yall can take a look at what all happend in the name of god and his judgement..doesnt it look like the work of the devil ? Maybe god is the devil..and god is trying to make everybody be gay...and the world a better place, maybe the devil doenst want this and he acts like hes god and make the people believe in hi,..and maybe i wrote the bible when i travelled back into time..i think its foolish to judge people according a believe, who are u to judge people based on this ?
any thoughts ? yeah enough thoughts...but who carres bout thoughts. Actions speaks louder then word and godz actions we have seen enough..devilisH

Some seem to think 'we' can judge through the eyes of God. I realize we cannot, such is my reason for posting this Topic. Why do we waste ourselves judging the person next to us, by their sexual choices, their race/creed/color all the prejudices we consume in our hearts is just wrong IMO..What can we do about it??

No, I don't think it is right to judge another, especially when you may really have no clue about that person....
It has always been said that "actions speak louder than words", and that may well be true, to a degree, but is that really and truly a rule to live by when we do judge another? I don't think so....
There is more to an individual than his or her actions....
And then to judge someone based on scripture or "threw the eyes of God" is even more fatal, if not hypocritical....
The Greatest Teacher in Christianity taught that this was wrong....period.
"Let he who is blameless and just be the one to cast the first stone".....his message was mentioned and taught multiple times.......
Other great prophets have done likewise.

When you judge another, you judge yourself knowingly or unknowingly. We should avoid do such as best we can, for, by human nature, it is easy to do.....


regards
seekerof

Judge. What are you trying to say? Are you saying that we are not to tell another they are doing something wrong, or are behaving inappropriately? From what is written, that is a Satanic lie perpetuated to allow dirtbags to do as they wish with impunity.

To judge, if you are saying, is to dare say who is going to Hell and who is not, you are dead-on correct. Again, by reading what is written, one can see abundantly clear that no matter how bad one is, they are not out of the reach of God. Onthe other side of that coin, those who youmight think are righteous people may be self-righteous and not have accepted the ultimate gift of Salvation. No matter how righteous they seem, if they reject Christ's death, if they do not answer when the Holy Spirit knocks, if they die without Him, they go to Hell no matter how nice a people you thought they were.
Yes, we are our brothers' keepers, yes, we should rebuke one another when necessary, but we should never think we are God and can determine which of us vile creatures will go to Hell.

Originally posted by magestica
This is about God..there is a difference. Some of us here do not follow and put our faith in the bible, we put it where it belongs and should be.

We possess not the power, yet the ability to judge mankind..this is one of the major things I see wrong with ALL religions. Such fools are we all. Me included here, I'm not stating I'm past being judgmental..just releasing myself.

so where do u put your believes then ? Whats worse or better bout people judging others in the name of god or the bible..? Who are u to judge, what do some here dont follow, god or the bible, what wrong with eithr of em ?what makes u better then people who put there fiath in the bilble ? That sounds very very sad...why dont u put the fiath in yourself, whats wrong with your OWN judgement ? Dont u trust yourself ? we dont posses the power but do posses the abillity ? Doesnt sound like a clean rhyme to me..where should your faith be then ?

but have to run..I'll return later and catch up. Thanks for reading/writing here all

TC-For the record, NO I do not believe we have any right to tell someone they should/should not be this way or that according to their personal path(s) Guiding is completely different then pushing or pulling someone somewhere...

Originally posted by magestica
Some seem to think 'we' can judge through the eyes of God. I realize we cannot, such is my reason for posting this Topic. Why do we waste ourselves judging the person next to us, by their sexual choices, their race/creed/color all the prejudices we consume in our hearts is just wrong IMO..What can we do about it??

the only thing u can do is dont judge..let the people be who they are..who are we to judge...regardless religion, believe, sex, color..just let em be whoi they are, dont like em dont associate with em but dont judge em..def not in the name off this so called god..

Great, if that is how you wish to feel.

By now you should know me, I'm not perfect, but I hold my beliefs to certain templates of truth. The ultimate being the KJV, and then in other matters that seem to be discussed in a certain forum I can be usually found, the constitution, the Bill of Rights, and for earlier understanding, Articles of Confederation and the Declaration of Indepedence.

Originally posted by Seekerof
No, I don't think it is right to judge another, especially when you may really have no clue about that person....
It has always been said that "actions speak louder than words", and that may well be true, to a degree, but is that really and truly a rule to live by when we do judge another? I don't think so....
There is more to an individual than his or her actions....
And then to judge someone based on scripture or "threw the eyes of God" is even more fatal, if not hypocritical....
The Greatest Teacher in Christianity taught that this was wrong....period.
"Let he who is blameless and just be the one to cast the first stone".....his message was mentioned and taught multiple times.......
Other great prophets have done likewise.

When you judge another, you judge yourself knowingly or unknowingly. We should avoid do such as best we can, for, by human nature, it is easy to do.....


regards
seekerof

hehe arent you judging people ? now u judge people who jugde others, thats also judging, aint it ? yeah i know its hard :]]]

jozuph,
Is there anyone here that does not judge someone else whether wrongly or rightly?
Are you also not judging me as you claim I am judging others...does it matter?
We naturally judge others.....its engrained in each and everyone of us to do so.....
I'm human, and yes, I have unfairly judged others, regrettably, but I do recognize when I do it, and I do try to abstain from doing it further....its simply a never ending vicious cycle.


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
jozuph,
Is there anyone here that does not judge someone else whether wrongly or rightly?
Are you also not judging me as you claim I am judging others...does it matter?
We naturally judge others.....its engrained in each and everyone of us to do so.....
I'm human, and yes, I have unfairly judged others, regrettably, but I do recognize when I do it, and I do try to abstain from doing it further....its simply a never ending vicious cycle.


regards
seekerof

i already said i do judge to my own believes..its impossible not to judge but its how u judge

Question:[/q]Does anyone, any man woman or child, have any right whatsoever to judge from the eyes of God?

The "Right" of others to "Judge" the world around them in it's various forms I think only applies through the "Eyes of Man" and not God. Let me try and explain this better in a couple examples.
1) If we separate "Judgement" and it's automatic sidekicks "Reward/Punishment" then we're simply looking at "Comparing" others to one or more things like "Rules/Ourselves/Other People/Norms/etc."
2) Comparing or Association of People, Things and Actions is what the world of Duality is all about and is needed for it to function. It's all about seeing the opposites.

When you include "Through Gods Eyes" however, we would then first need to restrict Gods Vision into having opposites, when in fact even the opposites are not separate but ultimately connected as one whole. If we were to see through the eyes of God I would think we would see that Judgement or Comparison is arbitrary since there is no comparison of ONE. It is only when WE as limited People place limits or boundaries upon "Everything" that we then have "Many Somethings" to compare to each other.

So to conclude my answer, I would say that it's "Judgement" that we use to define our Reality. The idea of punishment according to those judgements then depend on what or why you decide such Judgements need Reactionary Results. Being that such actions are made from limiting our vision or understanding of the balance of the whole such actions are then self defeating which includes the action of Judgement also. But if we stopped the Actions of Judgement and/or Prosecution we'd just be that much closer to God, and all of us Monkey-Men/Women Sinners can't have that now can we?!?!?

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by mOjOm]

Hi MOjo, i think your first sentence said it all, the explaination didnt made it better or better to understand. Mostly it better to just use normal words and not this wanna look philosopher [sorry bout that :]choice of words.
Like i put it, normal working class hero talk haha, i do judge to and on my own believes.........

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

Originally posted by jozuph
Hi MOjo, i think your first sentence said it all, the explaination didnt made it better or better to understand. Mostly it better to just use normal words and not this wanna look philosopher [sorry bout that :]choice of words.
Like i put it, normal working class hero talk haha, i do judge to and on my own believes.........
[Edited on 20-11-2003 by jozuph]

Trust me jozuph, it's not a "Wannabe Philosopher" image I'm looking for. I have no desire to impress you or anyone else here. It has to do with the fact that when trying to explain an idea that is a paradox or infinite in meaning, while using finite language to express it, that is just how things come out sounding. I'm only doing my best and am not a Harvard Graduate or practiced Novelist either. If it makes you feel better I'll try and keep things simple and with small words and shallow meaning while discussing topics with you. (No offence!)

u did it again he No Mojo jus continue using the words u use, i understand em hehe..

Originally posted by jozuph
so where do u put your believes then ? Whats worse or better bout people judging others in the name of god or the bible..? Who are u to judge, what do some here dont follow, god or the bible, what wrong with eithr of em ?what makes u better then people who put there fiath in the bilble ? That sounds very very sad...why dont u put the fiath in yourself, whats wrong with your OWN judgement ? Dont u trust yourself ? we dont posses the power but do posses the abillity ? Doesnt sound like a clean rhyme to me..where should your faith be then ?

I'll go down the list and try to answer the best I can.

1)I put my belief in the Supreme Being.
2)There is nothing better about judging people in the name of 'God' that's not our area of life(IMO) What's worse is we are NOT God, why judge His people as though we are?
3)I never have said anywhere here that I judge anyone by way of their beliefs. Where did you dig this question from?
4)Again..I never said I was better or worse, I admitted to also being judgmental myself. Are you still following me here??
5)I have every bit of faith in myself..I just don't judge people AS God does!? Where are you finding this sad?
5)Completely
6) No we DON'T possess the *power*. Can YOU send someone to heaven or hell upon judging them? Yes we do possess the ability, we judge..all the time, but with what right? What right do you or I have to judge the person next to us because he/she is colored, can't speak english, worships Buddah, does not believe in Jesus, is also gay and mentally handicapped/physically handicapped? All these things and more, we judge and this is normal human nature, but to judge the above description of a person according to the 'laws' of God, is not right..sorry, it's not.
7)Again, my faith is in #1 above, my faith is in you, in me and all people..but what does 'faith' have to do with my concerns?

jozeph, I have no idea how you came to all these conclusions through my Topic/comments. I'm glad you asked though, now you have no conclusions to build upon. Talk about judging someone, poorly. You did by way of jumping to all your conclusions about me. This post is not about me being a better person then anyone else, it's about trying to understand how and why some individuals judge me, judge you and others for their choices and then base their choices on whether or not they have rights to heaven, or should be condemed to hell..Do you understand what I'm saying now?
Magestica