And Evolution is OUT of the Picture!

Originally posted by Helioform

Originally posted by jozuph
quantum evoluion, maybe u can be so nice to explain this..so particles evloved from eachother to form a better particle ?

Nope- what they found is that DNA is small enough to become a quantum object (behave like a photon for example, which can act both as a wave and a particle). The theory is that DNA can access multiple configurations in parallel (many different worlds) and pick the best suited for survival in a given environment. Then the cell "chooses" the new DNA and starts over with it.

euh i think that dna is not small enough to act like a particle like a photon. I think even one base, choose one, t, a, g or c is small enough to act as a particle like a photon. Actually dna is enomous compared to a photon..do u have any scientic litt. about this ? i would like to read it...dna is constructed of a sugarm Phosphate backbone with bases attached to it, quite big i think
what do u mean with the cell chooses ?

[Edited on 19-11-2003 by jozuph]

you guys do realize darwin didn't beleive in his own theory?

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass

theres enough prove i would say, but maybe this is becasue i live in heidelberg nowadays, where they found the heidelbergman L:]]]

Do you dig them up yourself? Either way, I have a cool suggestion, go buy some fake bones off the internet, mix them all up, put them together to make it look like humans evolved from every which direction and confuse them.

edited for grammar

[Edited on 11-19-2003 by outsidethemilkglass]

i do indeed dig em up, not the bones but the moleculair part of it L:]

If your talking about proof....then you have to throw out the bible... i would love to see you prove the bible as fact!!

Originally posted by jozuph
euh i think that dna is not small enough to act like a particle like a photon. I think even one base, choose one, t, a, g or c is small enough to act as a particle like a photon. Actually dna is enomous compared to a photon..do u have any scientic litt. about this ? i would like to read it...dna is constructed of a sugarm Phosphate backbone with bases attached to it, quite big i think

Well, I think the theory was more about the quantum processes wich led to the creation od DNA, the way that these particles have connected.

i do indeed dig em up, not the bones but the moleculair part of it

ahh we'll never convince one another. we'll never know, unless, that's if we go to heaven or somewhere and see god or the aliens, and they'll tell us the truth.

If your talking about proof....then you have to throw out the bible... i would love to see you prove the bible as fact!!

I have thrown out the bible, now what?

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass
I do not beleive in a specific religion and I do not have ties for religion, I just simply do not have evidence to beleive that a god somehow created everything. but i did beleive in some evolution (one invoked and controlled by a god) before this, but now it seems like something the scientists created to backfire the government's force of religion. After all, religion is the best way to control the masses.

I definitely agree on the theory of controlling the masses. I dont know if it still applies as much now though. But at one time it was definitely used as a tool. It was used to steal. It was used for alot of things that were not good. There may be no conclusive evidence that evolution exists though some may argue that some thigs are conclusive. But there is more evidence of that then evidence of creationalism. I think that some people are afraid to go as far as saying we came from monkeys. They are right. Monkeys came from the same thing we did I am sure. Apes might be a better term. None of this would in any way rule out a god. Like said above in a previous post. It is hard to imagine life coming out of nowhere. Maybe it did, maybe it didnt. We have no way of knowing. That is why there is god in society. Because there is unanswered questions.

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass
I do not beleive in a specific religion and I do not have ties for religion, I just simply do not have evidence to beleive that a god somehow created everything. but i did beleive in some evolution (one invoked and controlled by a god) before this, but now it seems like something the scientists created to backfire the government's force of religion. After all, religion is the best way to control the masses.

so what did the scientist create to fight religion ?
Does it sound better that there was a person called adam and a women called eva..out of the blue that eat appels 2gether blah blah ?

Originally posted by sirCyco
If your talking about proof....then you have to throw out the bible... i would love to see you prove the bible as fact!!

And last point: scientists aren't objective
They have found reasons to prove it false, but like i said, we have too much pride to prove ourselves wrong. You guys are on here on ATS you guys need to be looking at both sides of the issue.

I do not beleive in a specific religion and I do not have ties for religion, I just simply do not have evidence to beleive that a god somehow created everything.

i missed that post.... sorry

[Edited on 11-19-2003 by sirCyco]

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass
And last point: scientists aren't objective
They have found reasons to prove it false, but like i said, we have too much pride to prove ourselves wrong. You guys are on here on ATS you guys need to be looking at both sides of the issue.

Honestly, I look at both sides....

Originally posted by Johnny

Originally posted by jozuph
euh i think that dna is not small enough to act like a particle like a photon. I think even one base, choose one, t, a, g or c is small enough to act as a particle like a photon. Actually dna is enomous compared to a photon..do u have any scientic litt. about this ? i would like to read it...dna is constructed of a sugarm Phosphate backbone with bases attached to it, quite big i think

Well, I think the theory was more about the quantum processes wich led to the creation od DNA, the way that these particles have connected.

ah plz go on, iam not a specialist on this but like to learn though

so what did the scientist create to fight religion ?
Does it sound better that there was a person called adam and a women called eva..out of the blue that eat appels 2gether blah blah ?

1)why is everyone only going after christianity?
2) I'm not christian
3)Scientists have pride too, once they say something, they can't prove it false.

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass

i do indeed dig em up, not the bones but the moleculair part of it

ahh we'll never convince one another. we'll never know, unless, that's if we go to heaven or somewhere and see god or the aliens, and they'll tell us the truth.

i think we go to the graveyard next door, being eaten by creatures also made by the evolutionary process :]

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass
And last point: scientists aren't objective
They have found reasons to prove it false, but like i said, we have too much pride to prove ourselves wrong. You guys are on here on ATS you guys need to be looking at both sides of the issue.

indeed thats why iam here, so.....dont throw us all in the same pool L:]

Originally posted by outsidethemilkglass

so what did the scientist create to fight religion ?
Does it sound better that there was a person called adam and a women called eva..out of the blue that eat appels 2gether blah blah ?

1)why is everyone only going after christianity?
2) I'm not christian
3)Scientists have pride too, once they say something, they can't prove it false.

i have pride but still can prove my own findings to be wrong, if necessary
hihi sorry, yeah even aliens sound better to me then the apple story

[Edited on 19-11-2003 by jozuph]

you guys do realize darwin didn't beleive in his own theory?

It wasnt actually his own theory to begin with, he took the journey on the beagle to prove his fathers theory.

sorry that was written without checking any "facts" I just remebered that bit from a TV dramatisation, but here is an interesting website on Darwin.

www3.mistral.co.uk...