If Being Gay is alright in the eyes of God then.....

Originally posted by jozuph
Like weeks its still the same talk, never an answer to simpel questions, always talking # about other people, thats a sin, this is a sin...why ? Yall believerz think you can change the world ? isnt it time that u let the world change you ? Why should being gay be not good, if so then let god throw some lightning at em... fizzooz

I'd never tell anyone what to do or not do, nor would I try to convince someone to change, nor would I treat them differently because of their choices. What I will stand up and fight against is anyone - ANYONE - trying to teach my children that something I firmly believe is wrong is ok and just a 'choice'. What ever crap you have - keep it to yourself. I don't run around cramming religion down the throats of others and I ecpect the same respect. Offer me a choice, thanks, after that keep it to your self.

If you feel strongly about drugs and alcohol and don't want your children to think it's ok and safe and just a 'choice', then I doubt you'd aprieciate the majority of the world trying to teach them otherwise.

Why are males so hated while two females going at it is usually applauded in most social settings, given the girls are attractive? I think part of the reason is society is ready for grls to behave like men but not for men to behave like girls, also Sapho from the island of Lesbos made a lot of famous literature about female and female love in the BC times.

Disease is always going to be spread some how and you are wrong to point the finger at a group, if people would not lie so much about their sexual history there would be less disease spread, that is the problem.

If two consenting human beings want to do something in private that is their business not YOURS to judge.

***I agree completely - as you stated above.
What I don't agree with is those 2 consenting humans comming out of the bedroom and displaying it in front of my children or having it taught in schools or having some big to-do about 'discrimination crap'. If they kept it private, this conversation would have never happened. If they want to say they are normal and all is fine - then you'd think they'd shut up about it. I'm strait. I am a female who has been with men only. I don't wear a sign around my neck, have parades or go on the news to talk about it. And the few time things got a bit hot in public I was at very least discret and appologetic about it when caught. AND, I don't go to local schools and tell all the children about it eigther.


God has changed his mind before according to some so maybe has changed his mind on this one, I dont know and YOU dont know either.

***God has never changed his mind. I do know that to be a fact.

and some even preach that all sex outside the purpose of reproducing is evil

***Actualy the bible says sex is a gift and to be pleasureful. The wife nor the husband are to tell the other 'no'. Basicaly from the bible I get this as far as sex is conserned: Wait till you are married, then anything goes. Do it all, have a blast, get creative! Only 3 rules...don't bring another person into it, don't do it with animals, and don't do anything that will cause harm to your body.

Hate is the way of the Nazi regime, it is very weak to hate someone because they dont live up to your standards, dont spread it, make peace.

***I agree with this as well. Hate is wrong. Discrimination is wrong.

Your kids are going to make that choice whether or not it's a choice you condone or condemn. There are many diseases in our world however, The most frightening of all disease is Religion. Most of these plagues / diseases are caused by ignorance, some are synthetically manufactured most of which done purposely. Ever hear the Presidents live speaking on how the Population of our world is growing too quickly and if half of it died off how much better it would be? I have! It's a sad day when those sworn to protect you are doing the exact opposite. I don't personally know anyone thats gay, but even if i did, although i don't personally agree with it, i also don't see it as a threat, and, it's not my right to tell anyone how to live, thats what Hitler did and look where his hate got him? And it's not like they're going to take over and populate the earth!

Why are males so hated while two females going at it is usually applauded in most social settings, given the girls are attractive? I think part of the reason is society is ready for grls to behave like men but not for men to behave like girls, also Sapho from the island of Lesbos made a lot of famous literature about female and female love in the BC times.

***Honestly I think it's because men LIKE it. Women want to be what men want. (this is not blaming men BTW)

Disease is always going to be spread some how and you are wrong to point the finger at a group, if people would not lie so much about their sexual history there would be less disease spread, that is the problem.

***That's true. I didn't meen my statement above to sound as if all disease came from that ect. I really am a bit nieve about aids and what ever else might be out there now, but back when I heard about it and learned what little I know, it was mainly spread through and 'became' do to sexual acts that were 'not' male/female in variety.

I do hope my debate on this topic doesn't make anyone feel I am discriminatory. But I do believe that the media and the poepl who back up certain things - gay, porn, drugs, violence, even religion - anything that is crammed down a persons throat against their wishes is wrong. I want to teach my children what I feel is best for them for a happy, healthy, successful life and I just don't think it's fair that the world around me is allowed to compramise my judgment on my teaching wright from wrong. Ny bytch is not the gay community, it's the government allowing them to go gung-ho on this trend to 'teach choice' or whatever they call it now. In my book, it's not a choice. But if it happens you love the person just the same.

Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
If two consenting human beings want to do something in private that is their business not YOURS to judge.

***I agree completely - as you stated above.
What I don't agree with is those 2 consenting humans comming out of the bedroom and displaying it in front of my children or having it taught in schools or having some big to-do about 'discrimination crap'. If they kept it private, this conversation would have never happened. If they want to say they are normal and all is fine - then you'd think they'd shut up about it. I'm strait. I am a female who has been with men only. I don't wear a sign around my neck, have parades or go on the news to talk about it. And the few time things got a bit hot in public I was at very least discret and appologetic about it when caught. AND, I don't go to local schools and tell all the children about it eigther.


God has changed his mind before according to some so maybe has changed his mind on this one, I dont know and YOU dont know either.

***God has never changed his mind. I do know that to be a fact.

Actually, you're wrong. God did change his mind, more than once. In Genesis for example, God Repented 'or' Changed his Mind.

Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.

Exd 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


So tell me, how is it God can Repent as do We mere Humans? I thought only Sinfully Flawed Creatures could Repent? Hmmm interesting isn't it!

[Edited on 30-11-2003 by Sapphire]

Originally posted by Sapphire
Your kids are going to make that choice whether or not it's a choice you condone or condemn. There are many diseases in our world however, The most frightening of all disease is Religion. Most of these plagues / diseases are caused by ignorance, some are synthetically manufactured most of which done purposely. Ever hear the Presidents live speaking on how the Population of our world is growing too quickly and if half of it died off how much better it would be? I have! It's a sad day when those sworn to protect you are doing the exact opposite. I don't personally know anyone thats gay, but even if i did, although i don't personally agree with it, i also don't see it as a threat, and, it's not my right to tell anyone how to live, thats what Hitler did and look where his hate got him? And it's not like they're going to take over and populate the earth!

I agree with everything you said (except the religoun part. I'll add that I'm non-denominational and not some fanatic cult or side wing group or these other denominations that like to make up their own rules as they see fit.)
I do know several gay people. They are decent normal people like you and I and you'd never know it. I respect them as individuals and they respect me. It has nothing at all do do with who they are with when they go home. But they are, as I said, regular normal people. They are not out to change the laws and the land and make the world a 'gay friendly palce'. They live and let live and don't try to change my views - as I don't try to change theirs. I don't make out on thier couch and they don't make out on mine. We're all happy. It's called cooth. Not choice of partener but basic down to earth good manors.

I have friends that are gay. One friend use to go to church, participate in youth group activities, talk in front of everyone about his life, ect... He is gay and when people started finding out he gave up the whole church thing because he had to. Most of them who pretended to be his friend gossiped and turned ugly against him after they found out about his sex life. The "Christian way" should not be so mean against those who seek the lord. After this incident I saw the light and I now stay away from organized religion because I know way better, I gave it a chance and their actions and system of beliefs is too cultish for me. I rather be free.