If Being Gay is alright in the eyes of God then.....

Originally posted by ilovepizza
If God created humans and some humans are gay or lesbians, then God is ok with gays and lesbians.

God didnt creat gays and lesbians.

God created humans and humans created gays and lesbians!

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by ilovepizza
If God created humans and some humans are gay or lesbians, then God is ok with gays and lesbians.

God didnt creat gays and lesbians.

God created humans and humans created gays and lesbians!

Well then lets see.....

God created Humans.....
Humans created gays and lesbians....

Then to me that refers back to god creating humans. Humans couldve never created gays or lesbians if humans were never created. Correct?

Originally posted by Dreamz

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by ilovepizza
If God created humans and some humans are gay or lesbians, then God is ok with gays and lesbians.

God didnt creat gays and lesbians.

God created humans and humans created gays and lesbians!

Well then lets see.....

God created Humans.....
Humans created gays and lesbians....

Then to me that refers back to god creating humans. Humans couldve never created gays or lesbians if humans were never created. Correct?

Your really confusing me dude!
What was that?

Mark

Originally posted by Dreamz


Well then lets see.....

God created Humans.....
Humans created gays and lesbians....

Then to me that refers back to god creating humans. Humans couldve never created gays or lesbians if humans were never created. Correct?

ok and your point is....?

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Dreamz


Well then lets see.....

God created Humans.....
Humans created gays and lesbians....

Then to me that refers back to god creating humans. Humans couldve never created gays or lesbians if humans were never created. Correct?

ok and your point is....?

Well his point should be : "shut up Russian"

There is nothing I hate more than Racists, xenophobes, homophobes, pographobes ( fear of beards)
I pity you as much as I despise you Russian. Your views and predjidices (spelling?) just highlight your ignorance and fear to accept things that you don't understand. Gay people are a part of this world just as much as anyone else and should not be persicuted for something that is natural to them. IT IS NATURAL. you are the unatural one. You are the one with fear Russian.

HAHAHA!


OMG that was funny.

Your are just plain stupid.

We are debating here so get lost!

Ok back to his statement(Russian I believe). He says god created Humans, but humans created homosexuals.

The fact that god created humans means that homosexuals as well were created by god, not born of through evolution of the human species. Get it?

God mustve known what the consequences of creating humans would be, yet he went ahead with the possibility of having homosexuals. Thus, to me at least, means that god created humans with the idea that homosexuality was a real possibility. Did he intend for that to happen? Who knows. Did it happen?yes. Do we blame humans for that who were created by god, or do we blame god for creating humans.

To me either way you look at it homosexuals exist. God seems the person at fault within your arguement. You may want to say otherwise, but your arguement has many flaws and is simply absurd.

[Edited on 28-11-2003 by Dreamz]

Originally posted by Dreamz
Ok back to his statement(Russian I believe). He says god created Humans, but humans created homosexuals.

The fact that god created humans means that homosexuals as well were created by god, not born of through evolution of the human species. Get it?

God mustve known what the consequences of creating humans would be, yet he went ahead with the possibility of having homosexuals. Thus, to me at least, means that god created humans with the idea that homosexuality was a real possibility. Did he intend for that to happen? Who knows. Did it happen?yes. Do we blame humans for that who were created by god, or do we blame god for creating humans.

This is when God said will it come to an end.

At the last years there will be gays all over and they will not be scared to say it.

God created humans and humans created gays.

God now the end of the gay people thats way he doesnt put a stop to it.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Dreamz
Ok back to his statement(Russian I believe). He says god created Humans, but humans created homosexuals.

The fact that god created humans means that homosexuals as well were created by god, not born of through evolution of the human species. Get it?

God mustve known what the consequences of creating humans would be, yet he went ahead with the possibility of having homosexuals. Thus, to me at least, means that god created humans with the idea that homosexuality was a real possibility. Did he intend for that to happen? Who knows. Did it happen?yes. Do we blame humans for that who were created by god, or do we blame god for creating humans.

This is when God said will it come to an end.

At the last years there will be gays all over and they will not be scared to say it.

God created humans and humans created gays.

God now the end of the gay people thats way he doesnt put a stop to it.

What????

what has it got to do with being gay? well there is a bunch of men who want to rape another group of men. im reading the bible at the moment and im on genesis just about to finish it and it was full of incest and all sorts.

I think Russian got into the Smirnoff again. lol
Just kidding Russian.
If I could put my two and half cents in, I think gays, straights are no more better then each other.
I have known many gay people. Some of them were really great people. Others, well you get my point.

It shouldnt matter what the heck is going on in peoples personal lives as its not ours to live. If there is a God and he is so terribly upset that their are gays in the world then that will be left between that person and god. Not anyone else.
I have never heard any of that stuff that you posted Russian. Maybe im not reading the right bible this week. But I will say that in all fairness to humans everywhere , do unto others.
I have never heard of straight men being raped by gay men. I think that is a stereotype that you fear.
I believe that its ultimately the fear of the unknown that motivates you.

In the end it is your life to live and to make whatever decisions you see fit to make.
It is your right not to like whoever you want to.

Mark

Originally posted by Aztec

Guess what.
Those men raping the men in the jail were CONVICTS!
How many of them do you think would do the exact same thing if it were a woman in there?
That's right, ALL OF THEM!
This isn't about whether these people are gay or straight, it's about them being mentally frocked up. They don't consider that raping somebody, ANYBODY is a bad thing.

I'm not sure what you mean by the word 'convicts.' In this country the word convicts refers to groups of prisoners who were brought here from England about two centuries ago, to do the slave labor for starting a new colony.

Erm, convincts means prisoners, use a dictionary.

How come you weren't raped?

Fortunately I was placed into a cell by myself.

Edit: On second read, your story doesn't add up much.
You were jailed for a WEEK for riding your bike through a red light (whilst you were off to church like a good boy, I noticed...)?
You weren't raped yourself whilst you were in jail for a WEEK?
I call male bovine shyte.

I'm not sure what the words ' male bovine' mean. They sound like some type of feminist generalization used to slime males with.


Yes I was going to church. What's up with that?


I had to spend a week in jail because I didn't pay the fine.

[Edited on 12-11-2003 by Aztec]

You didn't answer my question, rather, you asked a stupid question about the censor on this board, it changes swear words into other phrases, use your imagination as to what bull# is.
Your story doesn't add up.

Erm, convincts means prisoners, use a dictionary

I guess you're correct then. It was definitely prisoners who were doing the raping in the jail. Who else would be there?

What question didn't I answer?

Why were you sent to prison for a week for riding your bike through a red light? Seems like a rather harsh punishment.

I was fined $70, and in those days each day in jail deleted $10 from the fine.

Originally posted by Aztec
I was fined $70, and in those days each day in jail deleted $10 from the fine.

We get 30 dollars a day by me.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well, if you really want my opinion...,.......

youre discussinf fairy tales.

But, if you insist, ok.

According to your bible, the diety you worship as your god is a mass murdering egomaniac that creates people imperfect and immoral by his standards so he can torment them for life.

Science has show that people tend to be born gay. Since god supposedly creates all life, then he also creates people who are genetically gay. Thus, he creates by thier very design, evil sodomite sinners who he wants to condemn to hell.

And why are some christians so obsessed with what gay people want to do in the privacy of thier own bedrooms? As long as they aint doing it with unwilling partners, what they do is THIER biz.

It was a dark day when the church decided to commandeer peoples sexuality.

I agree with most of what you said. You know what i think? I think God created us this way to "see" who the True Beings were who loved all of his creation unconditionally would 'get it'! Unfortunately not many have 'gotten it' ... What i mean by that statement is, most people are hell bent on judging others, even while claiming not to in their very next breath, it makes me sick!



[Edited on 30-11-2003 by Sapphire]

You know this is a waste of time really.

first of all we need to know whether being gay is at least in part biological.

mind you since the controllers lie and well they control everything such that we may never know the truth.

I mean they have us all now convinced (well most anyways), that there are no differences between the races, which is non-sensical in my mind.

but even if gays are biological,

that does not mean that their behaviour was not immoral in biblical times or that it is not now (generalizing of course).

Originally posted by THENEO
You know this is a waste of time really.

first of all we need to know whether being gay is at least in part biological.

mind you since the controllers lie and well they control everything such that we may never know the truth.

I mean they have us all now convinced (well most anyways), that there are no differences between the races, which is non-sensical in my mind.

but even if gays are biological,

that does not mean that their behaviour was not immoral in biblical times or that it is not now (generalizing of course).

It depends on what your moral view of the world is. I personally think homosexual behabiour is fine.
I mean seriously, would you turn down the opportunity to see two women together?
Oh no wait, I forgot, women don't count because the law was written by a mysoginistic man, so onl gay men have to keep their desires under wraps.
You know it was illegal for men to have sex with each other up until the 50s here, but it's never ever been illegal for two women to have sex.

Think about that, think about WHY it's supposed to be immoral.
It's just people's bigotry, that's why, it has nothing to do with god, it is people's personal bias which they wrote down in a big book of lies.

Of course my dear... Beating oneself up over reprise of something they force to be out of the realm of understanding will allow repeat of angst; conditioned behavior which always gets tiresome.. to anyone.. at any place.. Maybe if he were the otherside with this.. That GOD would get tired of his whining and punt him for a little fresh air

Originally posted by Sapphire

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well, if you really want my opinion...,.......

youre discussinf fairy tales.

But, if you insist, ok.

According to your bible, the diety you worship as your god is a mass murdering egomaniac that creates people imperfect and immoral by his standards so he can torment them for life.

Science has show that people tend to be born gay. Since god supposedly creates all life, then he also creates people who are genetically gay. Thus, he creates by thier very design, evil sodomite sinners who he wants to condemn to hell.

And why are some christians so obsessed with what gay people want to do in the privacy of thier own bedrooms? As long as they aint doing it with unwilling partners, what they do is THIER biz.

It was a dark day when the church decided to commandeer peoples sexuality.

I agree with most of what you said. You know what i think? I think God created us this way to "see" who the True Beings were who loved all of his creation unconditionally would 'get it'! Unfortunately not many have 'gotten it' ... What i mean by that statement is, most people are hell bent on judging others, evben while claiming not to in their very next breath, it makes me sick!

[Edited on 28-11-2003 by Sapphire]