Believer Syndrome.

Originally posted by superpaul55
What evidence do you say I don't believe in. What can you show me to convince me that there is a global alien conspiracy?

What evidence are you willing or capable of accepting?

You have already voiced your truth: "..... due to the FACT that no evidence exists"

"evidence"?? How can there be an international cover-up if there is evidence so freely available? You can be sure that if it was presented to you by someone then you wouldn't be disclosing it on the net. You're going to find it either by working on one of the compartmentalised projects or having a UFO experience firsthand. Otherwise you're just going to have to go with your intuition, or at least have an open mind and read about other people's experiences.

There are those that choose to be sceptical - and not even believe it if it was staring them in the face - inspired the character Mel Gibson played in 'Signs'.

Once again Esoteric Teacher:

If there is a global conspiracy how has it come about and why does it exist?

Originally posted by superpaul55
This thread has shown one thing if anything, the so called hardcore believers will happily scorn anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I'm not "scorning", just curious as to why you would ask for something you have already decided does not exist? If it does not exist, then why would you accept it as evidence?

However when I have asked for a quite simple list of what they consider evidence for a global alien conspiracy, they produce nothing. Absolutely nothing.

There would be nothing simple about my list. My list would not end. My list would probably begin with what the first cultures and civilizations have said, of which you obviously would not believe, since it is evident that their accounts contain no facts, and no evidence.

All I want is a list of reasons why they think there is a global alien conspiracy and what its end goal is.

my list would not end.

What is the problem here?

You perception of reality.

You have already accepted as "FACT" that no evidence exists.

Why is this so difficult?

This is so difficult because you have already decided that any list presented will not offer you any evidence whatsoever. So, YOU are the reason this is so difficult.

Can you please just write a list?

Why? You have already disproven the beginning of civilizations and the core of all human history to be no proof of evidence. You have also disproven millions of eye witnesses all over the world.

However when I have asked for a quite simple list of what they consider evidence for a global alien conspiracy, they produce nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Can you please just write a list?

What would you consider evidence? You have already said that there is no evidence, so obviously you would not consider anything as evidence.

What would it take for you to believe? Are you waiting for the President of the United States of America to say that they are real?

You said: "..... due to the FACT that no evidence exists."

I don't think you would believe ufos and aliens were real even if the leader of the most powerful nation on earth said they were.

"I can assure you that ufos, given that they are real, are constructed by no power on earth."
--- President Harry Truman, 1950

So, even if the president of the United States of America said that UFOs were real, i doubt you would even consider that FACT might be evidence, considering that it is well over 50 years later and you still say:
"..... due to the FACT that no evidence exists."

So, who am i suppose to believe has more truth under their belt?

You verses President Harry Truman?

You think i am suppose to accept your testimony as "...... due to the FACT that there is no evidence."

or should this statement hold more weight????:

"I can assure you that ufos, given that they are real, are constructed by no power on earth."
--- President Harry Truman, 1950

In order for you to have a chance at convincing me you know more than he did, you will have to discredit President Truman, and offer up your credentials for telling me that no evidence exists.

Originally posted by superpaul55
Once again Esoteric Teacher:

If there is a global conspiracy how has it come about and why does it exist?

Why are you asking the question?

Ok I shall discredit President Truman:
"little green men"

I shall ask you some specific questions then if your list is endless. I don't want evidence, just an answer:

1)What and when is the end goal of the global alien conspiracy?
2)Is it managed on this planet or elsewhere?
3)What physical attributes do the aliens have?

Originally posted by superpaul55
Once again Esoteric Teacher:

If there is a global conspiracy how has it come about and why does it exist?

1) Is there a global conspiracy?
Yes.

2) How has it come about?
Cause and effect, and effect and cause.

3) Why does it exist?
Neccessity.

Superpaul - please watch full length press briefing of Disclosure Project May, 2001. It can be found on their site to download, on google or youtube in parts. It will answer your questions. Is it a hoax? I don't see how it could be, just listen and come to whatever conclusion you will.

Originally posted by superpaul55
Ok I shall discredit President Truman:
"little green men"

Oh. Do you have evidence that there are no green aliens?

1)What and when is the end goal of the global alien conspiracy?

Do all humans have the same agenda? Yet, all alien conspiracies must have the same end goal. I assume this is your stance, considering how the question was worded.

2)Is it managed on this planet or elsewhere?

I take it i can only pick one answer. one possibility offered to me by you is "this planet", and the other possibility offered to me by you is "elsewhere". My response to this question is: You have failed to ask the right question, or even offer an appropriate response.

3)What physical attributes do the aliens have?

Aliens have all physical attributes that exist.

You know as well as I do that you have attempted to totally dodge the questions. This is not a game of politics, answer the questions:

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

2)Where are the aliens.

3)In what form are the aliens.


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Wow, this thread just started off just talking about "Believer Syndrome" which many people here seem to have. Besides SuperPaul asking the same questions over and over again, and people just giving the same vague answer, what is the point?

Im personally with superpaul. No one has shown or said anything that classifies as hard evidence. Estoeric Teacher, you say that you have an endless list of facts that prove this global alien conspiracy. Can you please grace us with a few of them?

As for the original topic of the believer syndrome, I think that everyone should hold a little skepticism when reading about something so that you dont immediatly believe anything. You shouldn't believe everything you hear, but you also should shun everything. Try to debunk whatever the case may be, and if you can't, then maybe you have a legitamate paranormal event on your hands.

Originally posted by wswbkbroiler
Estoeric Teacher, you say that you have an endless list of facts that prove this global alien conspiracy. Can you please grace us with a few of them?

you have already been supplied with an enless list of facts that prove it. Who am i to change the way you choose to interpret reality?

Am i responsible for the thought processes that have not enabled you to witness or experience the facts that the original poster said don't exist?

The simple fact is: ...... "Due to the FACT that no evidence exists"

If no evidence exists then perhaps you have a brain that is hardwired already like:
See no evidence, Speak no evidence, hear no evidence ........

See no evil, Speak no evil, Hear no evil .....

Perhaps that chosen mentallity has something in common with some monkeys i know. (* just perhaps).

When i started kindergarden the teacher did not begin the math lesson with multiplication or division, let alone algebra.

Why?

Because the human mind consciously operates in accordance with: "The Law of Association", which is the FACT that no one learns a new thing as true/fact unless that information can attach to previously accepted truth/fact. It is the way the human mind works (consciously).

So what information can a mind consciously incorporate as "evidence" when it can only attach to the FACT that there is no evidence?

The human brain is incapable of doing what the poster has requested. Since the author of this thread has already come to the conclusion that there is no evidence, then no evidence can be presented. His conscious mind operates just like everyone elses. And in accordance with "The Law Of Association", he has chosen that no such evidence exists.

Here is another paradox for you:
Since all sensory input first gets delivered to the subconscious mind, and it is the intentionality of the conscious (opinion/self) that determines what is permitted to surface or bubble to the top . .......
Then they have not ever accumilated first hand knowledge or first hand experience of anything, EVER! All sensory input first gets delivered to the subconscious mind. But they are not consciously aware of their subconscious mind, so what is it that was experienced? Well, that depends upon the opinion of the observer, right?

Esoteric Teacher, you are trying to go off point and it is simply not going to happen. Answer my questions please.

Originally posted by superpaul55
You know as well as I do that you have attempted to totally dodge the questions. This is not a game of politics, answer the questions:

I dodge nothing. Truth is you lack the empathy necessary to ask the right questions. I promise to not dodge any questions whatsoever. Let us see if you have what it takes to ask a question properly, then i will answer it accordingly, and as best as i can.

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

This is not a question. If you can not ask the question, i can not supply an answer.

2)Where are the aliens.

This is not a question. If you can not ask the question, i can not supply an answer.

3)In what form are the aliens.

This is not a question. If you can not ask the question, i can not supply an answer.

There. I have not dodged any questions you have asked. Do you have any other questions?

Esoteric Teacher, here's a quote for you: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan

Now, I'm willing to contemplate wild ideas, I AM on this forum after all. I'm hearing what you are saying, BUT you don't seem to understand it takes more than simple words before I BELIEVE something.

I know I have told you exactly where they are but it seems it's not what you want to hear or is it you just ignore it.

I think you just want this thread to keep going so you get some points but for me I'm out of this thread.

Talk about denying ignorance

Unfortunately for you Esoteric Teacher everyone can see that once again you have attempted to dodge the questions. Please answer the three questions:

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

2)Where are the aliens.

3)In what form are the aliens.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I have recently come to realise an attitude problem that concerns many people posting on this forum, it does not concern 'skeptic', it concerns the 'believer', especially the hardcore 'believer'.

The believer suffers from a number of issues:

What credentials does the author of this thread have that enables him to offer his prognosis?

1) He believes himself to be mentally superior to most, this is why they talk of 'open mindedness' and 'enlightenment', they feel they have the talent to bring us up to their level of thought at which point of course we will finally realise that aliens exist and run our government, no proof is needed, its just obvious when you are that intelligent and can 'see throught the fog of deception. No proof is required.

2) Everything that opposes his belief can be put down to either the stupidity of the human race or disinfomation agents, most humans are simply the result of 'government mind control' - which most call education. They view the human race as a production chain, but of course only they can see this due to their supreme intellect. Nothing can prove the disinfomation agents exist and that we are all purposely stupid, its just obvious, isn't it. No proof required.

Does your prognosis also apply to the proffesionals in this thread?:
(Most Credible Quotes from World Leaders, Astronauts, Scientists, etc concerning the UFO phenomenon):
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What I ask from someone on this forum is for them to explain why they believe there are aliens on this planet and there is a global conspiracy, not a fury of links to paranoics web pages. Why do YOU believe it.

Read the above statements. There is no question.

Maybe someone can make me change my mind.

Nope. Ultimatley it is your responsibility to change your own mind.

Esoteric, you are not going to get me off point. Please answer the three questions:

1)What is the aim of the global conspriacy and on what date will it be complete.

2)Where are the aliens.

3)In what form are the aliens.

I will answer your questions Paul.

1)Conspiracy, what conspiracy? A quick search will provide many expert witnesses such as Gordon Cooper, (Already discussed) Redenlsham witnesses, Shag Harbor, just to name a few.

As far as why some would like to keep this quiet, I suggest you do a search for a study done by Nasa that recommened any knowledge of a extraterrestrial presence should be kept under tight wraps, for many reasons. I believe this study was done during the 40s or 50s during several UFO flaps. Fascinating

What is the aim of the aliens? Ask them. Speculating here, but I would think just to observe and study, just as we do with lower life forms.

2) What form? Most abductees say the aliens are greyish/blue with large black eyes, skinny bodies, some short some tall, with long arms. That description is probably similar to what they look like, as it has been reported on every continent on the planet. P.S these reports have been coming in before the inception a planetary communication device such as the internet.


3) They come in space vehicles similar to a Nasa space shuttle, but obiviously much more advanced. Hope that helps in your journey Paul. Good luck.



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