Revealed for the First Time Color Images of the Moon from Clementine Satellite

Here's a huge translucent disk. its so translucent, it's easy to miss. its head on and closer to the camera than most.

thestargates.com...

I don't recall any comments by astronauts about the colors on the moon. There may be some, I just have never heard or read them. (can't find any in a quick search either)

I suppose I'm going to have to wait till space tourism finally gets accomplished affordably, and go get a peek myself.

Originally posted by undo
Fair enough. I accept that description. Do you have anyway to represent how a 1, 3, 5 pic of say, your front yard would look?

No, unfortunately I do not have any camera capable of capturing images in any of those wave lengths, just a digital camera that captures all the visible spectrum and some infra-red.

Originally posted by zorgon
LOL well I am glad your question was answered by the form letter that I am sure everyone got from the curator.

Well, I had to ask somebody, I wasn't getting any specific answer for my question.

BTW she was quite pleased with the attention they have been receiving the last few days

I am glad for that, its good to see our work, whatever it may be, rewarded by the attention of other people.

So Herr ArMap, now that YOU personally have satisfied yourself about the color to your satisfaction, perhaps you can now join the discussion about what is IN the images? And what they represent? And why there are so many signs of editing?

Yes, now that I know what type of images I am looking at I can spend the time with something else.

And being Portuguese, I would prefer to be called Sr. ArMaP, not Herr, but you can call me just ArMaP.

Now we can always go to gray scale... wanna bet the anomalies are still there?

Just when I had an answer about the colours you change to greyscale, me and my bad luck...

Funny thing is... its even clearer in b&w...

Yes, that is what I always say, if we want to see shapes its better to use greyscale, our vision is so specialised in colour that we tend to ignore the information given by the shape when we see in colours because we are expecting the information to come from the colours.

Also, in this case, we have some photos taken with the high-resolution camera, the ones with the 8m per pixel resolution, available.

Originally posted by ArMaP
And being Portuguese, I would prefer to be called Sr. ArMaP, not Herr, but you can call me just ArMaP.

Ach so.... was my heritage kickin in LOL ... you know how crazy German rocket scientists can be

Just when I had an answer about the colours you change to greyscale, me and my bad luck...

Not really but as I want to go into what is IN the images, why not? No more distraction that way... and I won't get called to the principals office anymore

Yes, that is what I always say, if we want to see shapes its better to use greyscale, our vision is so specialised in colour that we tend to ignore the information given by the shape when we see in colours because we are expecting the information to come from the colours.

There you go! A point of agreement

Also, in this case, we have some photos taken with the high-resolution camera, the ones with the 8m per pixel resolution, available.

Perhaps I missed the link to these?

Originally posted by zorgon
Perhaps I missed the link to these?

Unless I am mistaken, you can see them here.

To see the full resolution images you need NASAView, available here, for example.

And a correction, the camera was capable of a resolution of 8m per pixel, but those photos have a resolution of 20m per pixel.

Originally posted by nextguyinline
I suppose I'm going to have to wait till space tourism finally gets accomplished affordably, and go get a peek myself.

Or you can but a really nice telescope... its a LOT cheaper than space liner fare. Russians charge 20 million for 10 days on the ISS and Spaceship one will give you 10 minutes in Earth orbit for around $200,000.00

A little review here... for comparison on one page... and because they look nice...

Lick Observatory 01 1946 36" scope [image available page 23 of John's thread]



Lick Observatory 02 1946 36" scope a few days later...



Dec 17th, 2005 Mike's 10" scope original shot



Dec 17th, 2005 Mike's 10" scope original shot with +10 brightness applied




Anyone wolves out there feel like Howling?

ArMap,

Okay, so let's stop tap dancing around the subject.

What do you make of the anomalies in the PDS pics that have a higher resolution than those you linked to?

Updated Anomalie List (Zorgon, Mike, SteveR, Undo)

And God said, Let there be....
www.thestargates.com...
The Glass Dome
www.thestargates.com...
White Tank
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Ship
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Cone/ship
www.thestargates.com...
Floating Craters
www.thestargates.com...
Giant Snail
www.thestargates.com...
Eye of Ra
www.thestargates.com...
Bronzy
www.thestargates.com...
Mr. Fish
www.thestargates.com...
Wax On, Wax Off
thestargates.com...
Reiner Gamma (Full Version)
www.thestargates.com...
Aristarchus (Zorgon's copy of Mike's 10-inch telescope pic of Aristarchus)
homepage.ntlworld.com...
Global view (a portion of the lunar surface as seen in a more 3-D type of angle)
thestargates.com...
Blue Tubes
www.thestargates.com...
Translucent, Texturized Crater
www.thestargates.com...
Gold Ship Redux
www.thestargates.com...
Triple Pink
www.thestargates.com...
The Golden Triangle
www.thestargates.com...
Aristarchus, Kepler Crater from SteveR
img433.imageshack.us...
Geysers, Unexplained, Glass, Blownout, Pool from SteveR
img98.imageshack.us...
Earth's Reflection? from SteveR
img132.imageshack.us...
Tycho Walls from SteveR
img279.imageshack.us...
Gold Pit from SteveR
img264.imageshack.us...
Intelligence to the Madness from SteveR
img122.imageshack.us...
Not Natural! from SteveR
img527.imageshack.us...
Blue Crater Gem - From NASA's WorldWind Program
www.thestargates.com...
Black Tube
www.artapprentice.net...
White Tube
www.artapprentice.net...
Golden Bugs (full size)
artapprentice.net...
Unusual Terrain by SteveR
img142.imageshack.us...
Ship Foot
artapprentice.net...
Ship Foot (Detail)
artapprentice.net...
Crater Contrails
thestargates.com...
thestargates.com...
thestargates.com...
thestargates.com...
thestargates.com...
Huge
thestargates.com...
Spider Animation (need to have your image animations turned on to watch this. it's a big file so be patient)
thestargates.com...

Source
pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov...
worldwind.arc.nasa.gov...

[edit on 19-12-2006 by undo]

spider animation to help those who can't see the shapes, see it better. if you have image animations turned off, turn them back to see this animation. it's a big file so be patient:
thestargates.com...

Originally posted by undo
ArMap,

Okay, so let's stop tap dancing around the subject.

What do you make of the anomalies in the PDS pics that have a higher resolution than those you linked to?

I will try to answer tomorrow, I don't have much free time during work days.

Thanks for the updated list, it will be easier that way.


And I do not dance, tap dance or any other style, I leave that to my sister.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by zorgon

Perhaps I missed the link to these?

Unless I am mistaken, you can see them here.

To see the full resolution images you need NASAView, available here, for example.

And a correction, the camera was capable of a resolution of 8m per pixel, but those photos have a resolution of 20m per pixel.

You are correct but I just went though a bunch of them and the coverage is terrible (i.e. sans the most "popular" craters) and the images are nothing to write home about IMO. There may be some interesting stuff for the tireless searcher but I got bored after a while. I did find this one which may help explain the "blacked out" areas...

starbase.jpl.nasa.gov...



Now why would "they" "hide" something in a medium resolution image only to show it at a higher resolution in another image?

Answer(s): Data loss, camera glitch, bug or error in data processing algorithms, you name it.

To be sure, the best way to track down the culprit would be to look at the EDR (raw) data here...

starbase.jpl.nasa.gov...

In looking at this I found out something I didn’t know…

CLEMENTINE EDR IMAGE ARCHIVE
starbase.jpl.nasa.gov...

This CD-ROM is part of a volume series that comprise the Archive of Clementine EDR (Engineering Data Record) Image data products, associated ancillary data, and software tools. The Clementine EDR Image Archive contains the collection of raw planetary images acquired by the Clementine mission. These data are pristine in the sense that they contain the artifacts and radiometric and geometric characteristics of unprocessed and uncorrected data. The only processing performed on the data is to organize and format the data according to the Planetary Data System (PDS) standards.

The Clementine images were compressed onboard the spacecraft using a space-hardened Matra chip. The compression enabled acquisition of many more observations of the Moon. The compression technique performed "lossy" compression using a Discrete Cosine Transform (DCT) algorithm. The images were kept in the compressed format when archived to reduce the total volume of the archive collection. Software is available on this volume to decompress the image data products.

I’ve always wondered why the Clementine images look so blocky. I guess this compromise make sense though considering the data was only meant for mapping the mineralogical composition of the Moon, not looking at it.

Anyway, troubleshooting the "color" images would mean looking at each of the individual raw (grey scale) images taken at the various wavelengths that were combined together to make up the portion of the composite "color" image in question. If any one of these frames were missing or corrupt, the mapping software would likely be programmed to leave that area blank.

An exercise best left to the student perhaps…

SOTR ,

Don't forget that the "Virtual Moon" using the Clementine Data has been available for two months.



The Virtual Moon Is Already Here

very cool, but I'm a little uneasy about the blue in the first image...

Originally posted by undo
Tsiolkovsky crater ship Re-redux

This is the "ship" from the "Ship foot" picture. It looks more like a habitat in this view but the leg/foot can still be made out. In this view it actually looks as if the leg is emersed in liquid of some kind, which may be why in the other view, of "ship foot," the bottom half of the leg/foot is obscured.
thestargates.com...

That B&W picture looks quite the object looks quite 3d.
I wouldn't say it's a landing gear, but maybe a building.
______________
Edit: Has any one got the picture of the "golf ball" in the crater?
Or is that on Mars???
If it's on the Moon i'd love to see a proper 10" colour picture of that thing.

[edit on 20-12-2006 by SKUNK]

Originally posted by SKUNK

Originally posted by undo
Edit: Has any one got the picture of the "golf ball" in the crater?
Or is that on Mars???

In answer to the question I will go off topic for a minute, [just a few million miles) but then they ARE interesting

As a matter of fact, yes I do... but it is on Mars not the moon...

landoflegends.us...

And while your at it you can look at the collection of Heart Shaped Craters

Hoagland's Ukert triangle has NOTHING on these... and I always though Venus was the planet of Love...

FROM MARS WITH LOVE



My favorite... and I know Undo will appreciated this one...

EVE'S APPLE



SOURCE INFO

We don't make this stuff up folkes...it really is out there....

[edit on 20-12-2006 by zorgon]

That's one heckuva big fruit.
Does hoagland think eden was on mars? I forget his position on that.

Looks like a cave to me, definitely. Awesome find.

Also, I can definitely see blues and greens in this landoflegends.us... . Look carefully at the terrain,

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
Now why would "they" "hide" something in a medium resolution image only to show it at a higher resolution in another image?

If any one of these frames were missing or corrupt, the mapping software would likely be programmed to leave that area blank.

An exercise best left to the student perhaps…

Thanks for the research BTW You too ArMap... I always say skeptics make the best research assistants...

So then, let me see if I understand correctly... from all that data you looked at... you are certain that there is no deliberate cover up of any data in the color images then?

Your right... if its covered in low res and not in hi res... then only two options remain.

A) They have used photoshop or something to paint in the area... [if so those guys at ASU have weird imaginations)

B) The color images are correct and what you see is REALLY THERE, despite the color issue.

If that is true... that means what we see in those color images is REALLY THERE

If that is true the anomalies we find are REAL

WONDERFUL!!! Now that we settled that... we can discuss the anomalies...

Like the Glass Biosphere... for example...

I was saving this for some time so we can get passed the color issue and go to the real stuff. So for all you silent watchers out there... have a look at this:

The Glass Biosphere



The image above is taken from the Navy Clementine old black and white version of the Mapper. It clearly shows that the anomaly in question is there. The reflection is even visible at this low resolution...



The image above is taken from Clementine NEARSIDE.gif



The image above is taken from the USGS Planetary mapper and is at the highest resolution available.

The most obvious features that jump out at you are the reflection and curved effect of that reflection. Also you can see light reflected from the anomaly onto the surrounding area.

When you look "inside" the "biosphere" you see a distortion of the objects consistent with looking through a glass bubble.

Now either this object is real, and the camera's were deliberately set to capture glass and other details, and they don't mind showing the public now...

Or its been painted in to keep us "loonies" occupied for several more years.

Either way... it is an amazing feature

pawn takes Queen]

[edit on 20-12-2006 by zorgon]

First of all, let me say that I not accustomed to see Moon photos, so my opinion is even less important than those opinions I usually give about other subjects.

About the list of anomalies, as I do not know what is normal on the Moon I do not know if something is normal or abnormal, but here are my opinions about those photos.

And God said, Let there be.... – I do not see anything special, just a difference in the colours of the ground
The Glass Dome – it really looks up side down, the image looks deformed
White Tank – nothing special
Gold Ship – I do not see anything special but its hard to tell
Gold Cone/ship – that is a strange shape, it looks like something completely different from the rest of the ground, I do not know what
Floating Craters – they look normal to me
Giant Snail – I see what you mean, but it doesn't look tridimensional to me
Eye of Ra – I see that there are many strange things in this photo, but it looks like the problem is mostly because of the fact that the photo is made up of many images. The shadows also look strange, but I think I know why they look like that
Bronzy – the same material, whatever it is, from the "Gold Cone/ship" photo, but it looks part of the ground
Mr. Fish – I think I understand what you mean, but it looks to me like a crater where there was a landslide (or is it a moonslide?)
Wax On, Wax Off – nothing special, just different materials
Reiner Gamma (Full Version) – this is obviously strange, but I think that I have seen something simillar some place else, I will try to find it
Blue Tubes – I don't know what that could be, but it doesn't look tridimensional to me
Translucent, Texturized Crater – it looks like a normal crater to me
Gold Ship Redux – I don't know what that could be
Triple Pink – I don't know what that could be, and the image is not that good
The Golden Triangle – nothing special, just a difference in ground material
Aristarchus, Kepler Crater from SteveR – nothing special, what should I see?
Geysers, Unexplained, Glass, Blownout, Pool from SteveR – I don't see nothing special
Earth's Reflection? from SteveR – nothing special, and I don't think that the colour comes from the Earth, a concave thing like a crater, to show the reflection of something would need to have that something near
Tycho Walls from SteveR – nothing special
Gold Pit from SteveR – I don't know, it looks like a difference in materials, but I do not have any idea of why those areas are so reflective
Intelligence to the Madness from SteveR - nothing special
Not Natural! from SteveR – nothing special
Blue Crater Gem - From NASA's WorldWind Program – nothing special
Black Tube – I understand what you mean, but it doesn't look like a tube to me
Golden Bugs (full size) – nothing special
Unusual Terrain by SteveR – looks like the same thing as the "blue tube", I do not know what that could be
Ship Foot – nothing special
Crater Contrails 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 – nothing special
Huge – I see it on the right side of the image, on the left I cannot see anything
Spider Animation – I see it, but it doesn't look like anything special, just a difference in material

One problem with these photos is that they were not very well joined, sometimes the difference between photos is big enough to make the comparision between different areas of the image difficult.

Originally posted by ArMaP
About the list of anomalies, as I do not know what is normal on the Moon I do not know if something is normal or abnormal, but here are my opinions about those photos.

Floating Craters[/url] – they look normal to me
Translucent, Texturized Crater – it looks like a normal crater to me

Reiner Gamma (Full Version) – this is obviously strange, but I think that I have seen something simillar some place else, I will try to find it

Reiner Gamma has for many years been a strange enigma to scientists and amateurs alike and even has magnetic anomalies... there is nothing else like it, except the blue glassy swirls on the Farside

Geysers, Unexplained, Glass, Blownout, Pool from SteveR – I don't see nothing special

Well great... we finally got that out of the way...its all normal and/or nothing special.. Thank you for your honest opinion.

To me that picture of Reiner Gamma, "enhanced" or not, is by far the most fantastic image I have yet seen of the moon, and easily rivals anything seen on Mars...what it represents... or what created it... or why it has magnetic and other anomalies associated with it... makes it in my opinion very special indeed.

And more so if what we see in this image of it is actually really there.

One problem with these photos is that they were not very well joined, sometimes the difference between photos is big enough to make the comparision between different areas of the image difficult.

Not a bad job compared to previous attempts... but then we are aware of that and take that into account when clipping SMALL portions that are within one frame.

In case no one has spotted this yet you will see that the angle of the sun, hence the shadows as well, are different in all sections of the mapper. I have found areas where adjacent sections show the sun from the right in one and from the left in the other... Anyone other than our experts know why?

Common guys leave something for the audience



[edit on 20-12-2006 by zorgon]