Why Are You Attacking Jesus?

Originally posted by laiguana
Stop attacking Satan!....
....So until you stop attacking my Satan, I'll stop attacking your Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha and so forth!

Ahhh, I see we have a little "rebel" here....good luck with that.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by thehumbleone

Which commandment(s) did madness break?

Well from not knowing him personally, i can already tell you at least two that he has broken. Thou shalt not have other Gods before me, and thou shalt not bear false witness.

i haven't had any gods period, i don't see how i'm having any gods before the judaio-christian god


and when have i beared false witness?

This world is your God, your own knowledge is your God, you claim there is no God, so you're claiming you know every thing there is to know, hence, making yourself God.

You bear false witness because you suppress the truth about God.

[edit on 14-12-2006 by thehumbleone]

Originally posted by thehumbleone
This world is your God, your own knowledge is your God,

I don't know humble one. Sounds to me like your'e the one claiming all the knowledge here... You not only KNOW about your God, you know everyone else's thoughts, beliefs and knowledge, too...

you claim there is no God, so you're claiming you know every thing there is to know, hence, making yourself God.

What kind of logic is that? You're hilarious, hon!

You bear false witness because you suppress the truth about God.

Wow... you're really grasping at straws here... :shk:

i was going to attack humbleone's accusations, but i thank you benev for covering that for me

i couldn't have said it better myself
too bad i don't have any more way above votes left

Satan is the spiritual guide to all, you remember that day when Jesus was hanging out with him in the wilderness? Well Jesus was actually asking Satan to be his guide in the wilderness. Thus to show all that Satan's nature is indeed benevolent. Open your hearts to Satan brothers and sisters, we shall prevail through the wilderness.

To say there is no God is to make an absolute statement, and to make an absolute statement means you know all there is to know, for instance, if I was to say there is no other life in the universe, I must have knowledge of the entire universe, which is impossible of course.

There are many was to sin against God....lying, cheating, coveting, stealing, wicked thoughts, lust, assault, blasphemy, cursing....I mean everyone has sinned according to our bible...everyone. BUT everyone can find salvation through Christ.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
To say there is no God is to make an absolute statement, and to make an absolute statement means you know all there is to know,

My point is, who cares? Who cares if he believes there is no God?

Isn't saying there is a God also making an absolute statement?

Do you know all there is to know?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by thehumbleone
To say there is no God is to make an absolute statement, and to make an absolute statement means you know all there is to know,

My point is, who cares? Who cares if he believes there is no God?

Isn't saying there is a God also making an absolute statement?

Do you know all there is to know?

Who Cares!?!? Don't you care about how we got here, why we're here, and what's gonna happen after we die. And if there is a hell, we all better care.

No, I don't know all there is to know, but I think God has revealed himself pretty clearly already.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
Don't you care about how we got here, why we're here, and what's gonna happen after we die.

No, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. I can never KNOW the answer to those questions while I'm here and I'm very comfortable with that.

No, I don't know all there is to know, but I think God has revealed himself pretty clearly already.

That's cool. If he reveals himself to me, I'll let you know.

I think I have said all there is to be said, I have testified to the Truth of Jesus Christ, what you all choose to do with this Truth is up to you.

When judgment day comes and God asks you, "Did you hear about my Son while you were on earth, and did you accept the Truth he revealed?" How are you gonna respond? You have heard the Truth and rejected it.

At least those who have never heard of Jesus will have an excuse, but what will you who have heard the Truth say?

Originally posted by thehumbleone
At least those who have never heard of Jesus will have an excuse, but what will you who have heard the Truth say?

I would probably say - "well what did you expect? You gave me a rational mind and you did nothing to prove yourself objectively."

god would then say - "I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

[bastardised from the late and great Douglas Adams]

However, if you'll notice, the amount of "miracles" that he has used to prove his existence has declined proportionally to the accuracy of scientific method and study.

Like Zeus and the lightning thing.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
However, if you'll notice, the amount of "miracles" that he has used to prove his existence has declined proportionally to the accuracy of scientific method and study.

Like Zeus and the lightning thing.

true, but i still often here of "medical miracles" from people
one of my friends actually said that she was the beneficiary of a miracle
she had a skin condition, one science doesn't understand the initial cause of
and it eventually went away
the doctors can't explain how

then again, they don't understand the condition in general
basically, it's wrong to claim it is a miracle

and when people claim miracles, it seems awfully selfish
especially since they normally aren't the most needy

and rasobasi, you're right, who would believe in that zeus thing
we all know it's thor with his mighty hammer mjolnir that creates lightning

[edit on 12/15/06 by madnessinmysoul]

What I think is interesting is that any form of attack is usually preceeded by fear or anger (note that anger is accepted in the psychological sense as a combination of fear and sadness; in essence, stemming from these emotions or one or the other). So, those people attacking Jesus are afraid of Him, afraid that they aren't invited by Him; or sad that they aren't a part of Him. How can they feel those things if they truly deny His existence?

The answer is that people know that the others aren't the Truth, but can never completely deny Jesus.

Originally posted by NowAmFound
The answer is that people know that the others aren't the Truth, but can never completely deny Jesus.

really?
big assertion there
especially since i deny the EXISTENCE of jesus, unless someone can show me contemporaries writing abut jesus
yet the divinity, i'd deny unless there was evidence for divinity in general...
so i DO deny jesus 100%

along with the whole fear of jesus thing
i'm not afraid of jesus, i'm afraid of illogical belief systems controlling people
so, i'm not attacking jesus only, i'm attacking christianity BUT i do not attack christians, they're allowed to hold any belief no matter how flawed i view it because of freedom of choice

madnessinmysoul:

The majority of true scholars agree that to deny Jesus existence is an admission of ignorance. I am not saying you are ignorant, but perhaps are driven to making ignorant statements out of anger? There is plenty of evidence for Jesus' existence. Here are some articles for you to read:

www.jesuswho.org...

www.leaderu.com...

On your fear of illogical beliefs point, okay, but still does not make alot of sense, since, Christianity is not an illogical belief. So, what doesn't make sense is your anger. I'm still led to believe that you are afraid of the belief in Jesus.

Originally posted by NowAmFound
madnessinmysoul:

The majority of true scholars agree that to deny Jesus existence is an admission of ignorance. I am not saying you are ignorant, but perhaps are driven to making ignorant statements out of anger? There is plenty of evidence for Jesus' existence. Here are some articles for you to read:

first i'll talk about the first article:
it gives only non-contemporary sources
there are contemporary sources for other people claiming to be the messiah at the time, ones with smaller followings

second article:
i honestly had to stop reading with this quote:

Last time we saw that the New Testament documents are the most important historical sources for Jesus of Nazareth. The so-called apocryphal gospels are forgeries which came much later and are for the most part elaborations of the four New Testament gospels.

the bible is not a historical source, it's been shown that there are quite a few inaccuracies in the bible regarding both history and geography (the geography is mainly in the gospels)

On your fear of illogical beliefs point, okay, but still does not make alot of sense, since, Christianity is not an illogical belief. So, what doesn't make sense is your anger. I'm still led to believe that you are afraid of the belief in Jesus.

any theistic belief requires absolute faith in a diety
1: having absolute faith in anyting is somewhat illogical
2: believing in a diety on faith alone is illogical

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
any theistic belief requires absolute faith in a diety
1: having absolute faith in anyting is somewhat illogical
2: believing in a diety on faith alone is illogical

I suppose it would be just as illogical for me to try and prove my FAITH to you, would it not?

You have been given the word and have rejected it, that is your choice and you will need to accept the consequences but I suspect you are not a confident about your choice as you wish people to believe.

Sometimes with your harsh words it seems you are not trying to convince others, rather you are trying to convince yourself. There is a lot of passion in the things you say and I have a hard time believing that passion only stems from your disbelief in what others think.



[edit on 12/16/2006 by kinglizard]

Originally posted by kinglizard
You have been given the word and have rejected it, that is your choice and you will need to accept the consequences but I suspect you are not a confident about your choice as you wish people to believe.

i've read your so called word
it is riddled with inconsistencies, errors, and contradictions
i'm not very sure why you assume you know how confident i am
i'm fully confident that there is no god of any sort

Sometimes with your harsh words it seems you are not trying to convince others, rather you are trying to convince yourself. There is a lot of passion in the things you say and I have a hard time believing that passion only stems from your disbelief in what others think.

again, you make assumptions about me, that is quite abusive, and as a mod you should not make such baseless claims against me
you are the one that should be setting an example

attack my arguments instead of me