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posted on Dec, 1 2003 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by SectorGaza


T-90 has a possible kill at 5.5km with AT-11
and definite kill at 2km
and+ it got shtora, that means you wont surprise the tank because it also alerts the crew to threats!
it has 830mm of frontal armor, 30mm more than abrams

literally, Neither abrams nor T-90 have 800 or 830mm of armor.Its measured in RHA, which is how thick the armor would be if it were just regular steel armor.

it uses almost 20 year old tech yet its still equal to the "brand new" abrams



[Edited on 1-12-2003 by SectorGaza]



Did you know that also the Abrams uses hella fuel.

It also has very hot exhaust fumes and that equals a beigger IR signal.

So the Abrams can be detected by other tanks faster then it can detect someone else.

And by the time it detects someone else the first shot will be fire and in most battles first shot is the main shot.



posted on Dec, 1 2003 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by jetsetter
Actually before the M1 the US and Germany were working on a tank that could be used by both forces. The cost went up so they stop the project. They still worked together on some bits and that is why the German and US tanks have things in common. They do have some pretty big diffefences though. Also the M1 does no use the British amour anymore. They uses DU armour.


I know that they started the project together back in 70s..

But the paths separated long before the first prototype..

It is just that even in 200x US was trying ILLEGALY TO OBTAIN LEPARDS TECHS..

AS ITS ARMOR IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN M1s..




posted on Dec, 1 2003 @ 09:36 PM
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"Its armor" referring to the new Nonexplosive Reactive Armor Tech?



posted on Dec, 1 2003 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by bisonn
"Its armor" referring to the new Nonexplosive Reactive Armor Tech?


I dont know..

As armor doesnt really intress me that much.. just tanks as whole..

But it is 100% fact that US has its mind set for getting and copying this new type of leopard armor..



Or i dont know about 'new'.. but it surely is something that Yanks cant do without German blue prints.. so..




posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 09:03 AM
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didn't some tanks got a defencive laser to shoot down rpg missles. Can't find it but some one did mention it on this forum.



posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by MarkLuitzen
didn't some tanks got a defencive laser to shoot down rpg missles. Can't find it but some one did mention it on this forum.


even if they do i guess they are not good enough.



posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 06:59 PM
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check this article about abrams

�They were designed to deal with the Soviet juggernaut,� Garrett said. They are not supposed to be stopped by a pencil-thin projectile. �That�s what�s very confusing about it,� he added.


www.globalsecurity.org...



posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 07:22 PM
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We already had conversation about this..

Here!

Thing is settled..

Busted by RPG..

But that really isnt that special..

After all RPG-7 was and is STILL made to stop tanks..



Now,

Could we now finaly get back to the topic?

I think that somebody should itroduce a NEW Russian ICBM as the last system facts posted were about NEW US ICBM..




posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 07:26 PM
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the new generation russian icbm is called TOPOL-M its highly mobile


i read that it can somehow perform "anti-missile" manuvers



The first test firing of a Topol-M took place on December 20

i also know russia tested a scramjet nuke in 1993.



posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 07:31 PM
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www.globalsecurity.org...

Abrams is a bit overrated, agreed?



posted on Dec, 2 2003 @ 09:10 PM
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That is so..

Also i see nothing special about tank beign disabled or better yet destroyed by HEAT CHARGE.. (RPG..)

Americans are just plain stupid..

I think that they really belive that tank must be blown to bits to stop one..



And this really isnt so..

Maybe they have seen too much image about Iraqi tanks knocked out by 500lb LGBs..



Why bother to spend bombs, as 10lb RPG does the same..




posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 01:07 PM
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Fulcrum:
"Americans are just plain stupid..."

Huh?!



regards
seekerof



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Fulcrum:
"Americans are just plain stupid..."

Huh?!



regards
seekerof


Well,

Not 100% of you,

But MOST!

And that is not good..

You are beign screwed by Bush & his NWO-gang so badly.. yet you dont even see it..

In fact you dont even see that Bush is a henchmen of the NWO..

Part of their innercircle..



And i am still kinda missing evidence about WTC and Osama connection..

And where the hell are Iraqi WMDs?

Which btw, Iraq had/has 100% right to have.. if they would have those.. but the funny part is that they dont have em..




posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 05:28 PM
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The fact that you are stupified as something (your weapons is destroyed..)

M1s

F-117s

F-16s

M16s that just dont work..

Nothing special to those either..

As if something is targeted and hit is reality that this something will get damaged/destroyed..

And also, badly made assault rifles dont get better 'over years'..



Or that your soldiers will actually die if shot/blown up.. lets face it: Americans are people like the rest.. not some immortal gods..

And this whole 'Terrorism thing' reality is that people of the USA fail to see that what your goverment calls as terrorism is infact just resistance to their evil plans to dominate the world..

Face the facts: USA is nazis of the 21st century.. of the American century as you like to call it.. as Bush and his NWO buddys like to call it..




posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 06:11 PM
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Most Americans are Stupid? cool, whats that say about Russians and Fidish, really stupid? Cause they fell under the lost to afganistan which we wiped out in a month? And they cant come up with such tech as usa? Then were stupid? Get real, you make your self look stupid. Thank you



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 06:14 PM
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Please do not say that Amweicans are stupid. There are many different types of Americans. You need to be more specific.



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 06:37 PM
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most americans are apathetic sheep



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 08:31 PM
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Do you really know. Really. Think about it before you answer.



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 08:51 PM
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o please this is turning into another one of fulcrums I hate america threads

relax fulcrum



posted on Dec, 3 2003 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by omega1
o please this is turning into another one of fulcrums I hate america threads

relax fulcrum


I am mostly hating Mr.Bush, and this mofo Laxpla that is busting my balls with his childish BS..



So will do.. (Relaxing part..)

Im off to pay some bills and maybe ill get couple of beers or ciders while im at it..




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