Conspiracy to slander Adepts by claiming that they were gay

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I am a straight fornicator and a man of love.

That is a self-contradictory statement.


Sex between Wife and Husband is not fornication.

Orgasm is fornication.

(Just pointing that out; not that I care to hear about your personal sex life)

people are gay in that portion of thier spiritual journey than that is the road God has chosen for them.

See this:

From the Pistis Sophia




God does not choose filthy paths.

Only the ego does.

Love is the law love is the bond

"(Conscious)Love is the Law, Love under (the)Will(of thy Inner-God)"


God is The Word; and the one who would seek Initiation's Word is Bond, by keeping the Samaya of Chastity.

Supreme Wisdom Lessons

11. Have you not learned that your word shall be Bond
regardless of whom or what?

Answer: Yes. My word is Bond and Bond is life, and I will
give my life before my word shall fail.

The Word(Chokmah) and the Sexual Energy(Binah) are One in Daath.

So when we fornicate, we break our Word(in Yesod and Tiphereth).



From the founder of the Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism's Wife:

Yeshe Tsogyal





About the body: do not let it slip into old habits Or you will become like ordinary men and women; With the confidence of the deity, meditate charged with power And inform your focal points of energy as a principal and his circle of deities.

About speech: concentrate upon mantra and energy flows - Without energy control your sexual activity is fornication; Properly execute the exercises of 'drawing up' and 'saturating' And with the nails of your imagination apply an hermetic seal.

About mind: identify the conditioned mind with seed-essence itself; If seed-essence is lost in actuality The karma of slaying a Buddha is incurred; At all costs gain self-control.

Love is the Law:

Karma: 5 - Love


Learn to Love Consciously, and you will learn to live in balance with the Law. Deeds, not intentions, are what count.

For it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be fulfilled. - The Apostle Paul from Romans 2:13

Love is the Law, but conscious Love. Do what thou will, but know that thy shall have to answer for all thy deeds.


"How bitter is the fate of Sophia, the Soul, the Being, after the fall.

The Father of all Lights knows how we have suffered, and by His command and in accordance with the Law, we are here.

We have broken the Law, and we must suffer the consequences.

The human beings, devolving within the Chaos, suffer the inexpressible.

Nevertheless, Christ, the Ancient of Days, can save us."

- Samael Aun Weor, The Pistis Sophia Unveiled

Regards






[edit on 14-12-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
Sex between Wife and Husband is not fornication.

Orgasm is fornication.

THAT is contradictory.

God does not choose filthy paths.

Only the ego does.

God made sex for a reason.

God chooses love - apart from sex love is pure.
If love is pure then so is the sex that goes with it.

Practical experience tells me this beyond the shadow of a doubt; and while all the advice in the world is well-meant, practical experience proves the point.

I'm sorry, but I see no contradiction in what I've posted.

Sex between Wife and Husband, without the reaching of orgasm, is the most potent way to activate Bodhicitta(the Sincere Wish to achieve Enlightenment for the sake of All Sentient Beings).

And there is no higher Aspiration than Bodhicitta.

Bodhicitta can be activated through various ways, of course.

Such as meditation, good deeds, prayer, etc.

But when we reach orgasm, we lose millions of Precious Jasmine Flower Drops, Bodhicitta, or Tigle.


If one looks at the various reactions to my various posts; we can see why these things have been hidden from the profane masses, by the Gnostics, High Lamas, Taoist Priests, etc. for thousands of years.


This is not only the Age of Aquarius, but is also the last days.

The final catastrophe is almost here; so as many suffering Sentient Beings who will allow their Inner-God(ess) to Initiate them into the Secrets of the Great Arcanum, the better.


In addition to Samael Aun Weor's works(such as "The Perfect Matrimony")...

Lama Yeshe and Glenn Mullin's writings on Tantra, and The Six Yogas of Naropa are great.

As well as Jamgon Kongtrul's "Systems of Tantra".

And H.H. the Dalai Lama's book on Kalachakra.

And the "Ornament of Stainless Light: An Exposition of the Kalacakra Tantra, Khedrup Norsang Gyatso".

And of course the earlier quoted "Sky Dancer" by Keith Dowman.



There is nothing more powerful than the Fires of Love between Woman and Man, being sent from the Sexual center to the Heart center, as to put the Atom Nous of Christ into activity.




As Clarence 13X of the Nation of Gods and Earths, I believe it was, said(paraphrased):


"Love between Man and Woman is of the Highest degree of Understanding(Binah)"







[edit on 15-12-2006 by Tamahu]

This explains it well:



Arcanum 17





..."The term Tantra means �continuum.� It refers to the continual flow of energies illustrated in the circle of the sign of Venus, but Tantrism has different forms. Black Tantra is that form of Tantrism within which the practitioner utilizes desire to feed desire, to create more desire, to become enslaved by desire. In Grey Tantrism the aspirant, the follower, occasionally satisfies a desire. And in White Tantrism the practitioner always seeks to renounce desire and conquer it.


When we examine the vows that any student of Tantrism takes, we discover the great differentiating factor between these schools of thought. In the Tantra of the Himalaya, we know that the student who begins to study Tantrism, to enter into that method of work, will take a series of vows. The third vow of the series requires the student to avoid sexual union with an unqualified person, in other words to not commit to Adultery. The 8th vow states that the practitioner vows to never release �the jasmine flower drops.� What is that? To never release the flower drops? Firstly, we have to indicate we are studying the 17th Arcanum. We know in Kabbalah that numbers are very significant, so when you take the 17 and add the numbers together you get 8; so the 17th Arcanum relates with the 8th Arcanum and here in this 8th vow of White Tantrism of the East it says �never release the Jasmine Flower Drops.� In other words do not release the sacred, fragrant flower-like energies: the sexual Seed, the flower of the Divine Mother. That is, do not orgasm, do not release that sacred fuel.


The flower is here on the head of Venus. The beautiful Lotus always symbolizes Isis in Egypt, always symbolizes Lakshmi in India, and always symbolizes Tara in Tibet. We see in the images of Tara that she sits upon a lotus throne surrounded by lotus flowers; that is because Tara is born from the lotus"...









Regards

Tamahu-

you are just basing your statements upon what you've read of the experiences of other people, right?

Some statements, yes; others, no.

This explains it well:

Arcanum 17





..."The term Tantra means "continuum." It refers to the continual flow of energies illustrated in the circle of the sign of Venus, but Tantrism has different forms. Black Tantra is that form of Tantrism within which the practitioner utilizes desire to feed desire, to create more desire, to become enslaved by desire. In Grey Tantrism the aspirant, the follower, occasionally satisfies a desire. And in White Tantrism the practitioner always seeks to renounce desire and conquer it.


When we examine the vows that any student of Tantrism takes, we discover the great differentiating factor between these schools of thought. In the Tantra of the Himalaya, we know that the student who begins to study Tantrism, to enter into that method of work, will take a series of vows. The third vow of the series requires the student to avoid sexual union with an unqualified person, in other words to not commit to Adultery. The 8th vow states that the practitioner vows to never release "the jasmine flower drops." What is that? To never release the flower drops? Firstly, we have to indicate we are studying the 17th Arcanum. We know in Kabbalah that numbers are very significant, so when you take the 17 and add the numbers together you get 8; so the 17th Arcanum relates with the 8th Arcanum and here in this 8th vow of White Tantrism of the East it says "never release the Jasmine Flower Drops." In other words do not release the sacred, fragrant flower-like energies: the sexual Seed, the flower of the Divine Mother. That is, do not orgasm, do not release that sacred fuel.


The flower is here on the head of Venus. The beautiful Lotus always symbolizes Isis in Egypt, always symbolizes Lakshmi in India, and always symbolizes Tara in Tibet. We see in the images of Tara that she sits upon a lotus throne surrounded by lotus flowers; that is because Tara is born from the lotus"...

This is a repeat post, of which the first one has some errors, and of which I also forgot to use the "external source" tags.


If a moderator could please delete the previous post, I'd appreciate it.



Thanks.

Tamaha, exactly where are you getting the idea that Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Plutarch etc. were not at the very least bisexual.

The more I read your posts and your ability to selectively deny well-known fact just so it can fit into your view, the more I question your internal motivation to create such a view. Set yourself free.

Until you can actually scientifically measure these energies that you claim can only be made by a man and a woman, they do not exist in the realm of intelligent agument about sexuality. Look deep inside, your truth is yet to be found.

from my exdperince in life, we live in a tabloid newspaper world, where you have to fit into a black and white world. peopel can speculate all they want about this and that.

i found it interesting that someone says newton was gay and that was the reason for his celibacy. there may be many reasons why a man may be celibate all his life, but i understand why someone living in the tabloid world we have today, would come to this conclusion.

Originally posted by Tainted
Tamaha, exactly where are you getting the idea that Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Plutarch etc. were not at the very least bisexual.

The more I read your posts and your ability to selectively deny well-known fact just so it can fit into your view, the more I question your internal motivation to create such a view. Set yourself free.

And what makes the absurd selective-speculations of "historians" a "fact"?

When you can quote from the texts of Initiates, authentic Platonists, and honest Historians such as Iamblichus, Thomas Taylor, Plutarch, Plotinus, Herodotus, Ammonius Saccas, Godfrey Higgins, H.P. Blavatsky, Eliphas Levi, John Yarker, Philo, Porphyry, Solon, etc.; showing that those in question were "gay" or "bisexual"...


...THEN I'll believe you.

Until you can actually scientifically measure these energies that you claim can only be made by a man and a woman, they do not exist in the realm of intelligent agument about sexuality. Look deep inside, your truth is yet to be found.

The Tantric Occult Scientists of India, Khemet and Tibet have already done that for us.

No need to rely on the degenerated modern "Science" that is converting this world into a living-hell.

The only thing left for us is, as you said, to look within.

And to apply the Tantric Science in combination with daily deep Internal-Meditation.

Celibacy

"Swami X stated the following in one of his lessons: "Unmarried people can unite spiritually within themselves the natural creative force of the soul by learning the correct method of Meditation and its application to the physical life. Such people do not have to pass through the material experience of matrimony. They can learn to marry their feminine physical impulse with the masculine impulse of their internal soul."

If our beloved Gnostic disciples reflect on these words of Swami X, they will reach the conclusion that they are manifestly absurd. This idea of marrying the feminine physical impulse with the masculine impulse of the Internal Soul is one hundred percent false. This type of utopian marriage is impossible because the human being has not yet incarnated the Soul. With whom then is he going to marry his feminine physical impulse?"...

Pranayama


"... We find many things on this planet; this is why, for the limit of all absurdities, there exist certain stubborn people who believe that because within every human being there exists two polarities one can (according to these stubborn people) awaken the Kundalini without the need of Maithuna. These dimwitted people should give unto women, as a gift, the formula to conceive children without the necessity of a sperm, without the necessity of sexual contact. These foolish people should give away to men the clue on how to engender children without the necessity of a woman's ovum."

[edit on 19-1-2007 by Tamahu]

Wow, sadly i use to admire you Tamahu. I did not fully realize how blinded by dogma you were. I wish you the best.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Animal]