Conspiracy to slander Adepts by claiming that they were gay

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
I have to jump in here and make a point to Tamahu (it's off topic but relates to comments Tamahu has made in this thread).

You say things degenerated when people stopped listening to the "Initiates" and "masters of the Khemetian Mysteries?" and some of these masters and initiates are Pythagoras, Plato and Plutarch??

Well...you have made it quite clear Tamahu that you hate homosexuals. So, why do you think Pythagoras is a wonderful "Initiate" and "Master of the Khemetian Mysteries" when he was a homosexual??

Because those sources are slanderous.

Those Men(Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Plutarch, Plotinus, Proclus, Ammonius Saccas, Porphyry, etc.) were real Men, not homosexuals.

Critics like to slander others in order to feel better about themselves.

"Illuminati" is an Italian term for: it illuminates to you!

An Illuminati is basically one who is an Adept either from the White Lodge or from the Black Lodge!

Jesus, Buddha, Cagliostro, Saint Germaine, Goethe, Mozart, Da Vinci and many other illuminati from the white lodge have been slander by the illuminati of the black lodge.

Unquestionably, Zionism is Black Lodge. Many hypocrites from this order want to infiltrate the Revolutionary Gnostic Schools in order to boycott them!

Gays want to make non-gay Great Women and Men look like they were gay in order to feel better about themselves.

Some non-gays, as to feel better about themselves, want to make non-gay Great Women and Men look gay, as to make these Great Men and Women look bad.

We hear, for instance, that many ignoramuses state that Tchaikovsky, Leonardo Da Vinci and Nero, Emperor of Rome, were homosexuals.


Yes, we heard many of them saying that all the great men of the past were homosexuals. Why are they asseverating this nonsense?

They cannot understand that the brain of the homosexual is filled with the Poisoninoskirian Vibrations. These are emanations or energies resulting from the mixture of the sexual Semen with human excrement. This produces a horrible energy that rises to the brain, thereby rotting it completely. Those vibrations belong completely and irrevocably to those realms which share that vibratory level: the Abyss, hell, the realm of denegeration and lust and all manner of animal behavior. A person who fills themselves whith those vibrations (through lustufl activity, thought, and word) lowers themselves psychologicall and spiritually into those worlds. Their brain reflects that. A brain thus degenerated cannot develop the necessary spiritual senses in order to bring superior messages (like music and wisdom) from the heavenly places or higher Sephiroth. They simply cannot receive those vibrations, nor can they comprehend them. That is why those degenerated individuals love degenerated music, literature, images, and ways of behaving.

The great men of the past were great Masters; they never had those types of manias or degeneration, they were men and women who had a very pure, very clean psyche.

In order to bring high vibratory knowledge to earth, one must be able to vibrate in affinity with that knowledge. However, it so happens that many such men and women, working on the Path to the Self-realization of the Being, also had to face their own karma, their own egos, so many faced accusations, public ridicule, gossip, etc.

Some were accused of homosexuality because of karma, or because their own true love, due to karmic reasons, was incarnated in a body of the same sex, so they could not be married, and instead they had to face that pain. Many were simply defamed by their enemies, and now we only remember them as their enemies want them remembered.

Now people are repeating that nonsense and believing lies. We are polluting our subconsciousness with lies. It is necessary to clean our subconsciousness of all the garbage we have, especially the type of knowledge we are receiving.

Now don't get me wrong, some people of the past who are considered to be great personalities, were actually gay; like some of the left-hand Adept Black Magicians of Greece, some of the Roman and Greek political leaders, or those fakes who pretended to be Adepts of the Right Hand or Middle Paths.

But the ones I've mentioned: Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Plutarch, Plotinus, Proclus, Ammonius Saccas, Porphyry, etc.; were certainly not gay.

edit to say: Sorry I got off topic....but just had to question Tamahu on this stuff. Plus....Khemetians seem to be some kind of lunatics or pagans or devil worshippers or aliens from another planet that live for 1000 years depending on what one reads. So.....who in their right minds follows Khemetians anyway??

What are you talking about?

If not for the Khemetians, there would practically be no civilization at all.

Any half-learned Mason could tell you this.

And civilization is based on the Principles of FreeMasonry.

Now I will get back on track and back on the subject of sexual misconduct within the Mormon church!!

Well they are under the control of Javhe; so the conduct will persist, that is, unless they follow the advice I already provided in my very first post in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...





Regards

I agree with some of that. Gays try to make famous people of history out to be gay to alleviate their consciences, fancying themselves to be in "good company" when, in fact, they are not.

Originally posted by southern_cross3
I agree with some of that. Gays try to make famous people of history out to be gay to alleviate their consciences, fancying themselves to be in "good company" when, in fact, they are not.

homosexuals:

truman copote
emily dickenson
da vinci (he even got in trouble for it)
elton john
newton (the reason for his celibacy)
freddie mercury

is that not good company?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
homosexuals:

...da vinci (he even got in trouble for it)...

...newton (the reason for his celibacy)...

I don't believe you.

Originally posted by TamahuThose Men(Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Plutarch, Plotinus, Proclus, Ammonius Saccas, Porphyry, etc.) were real Men, not homosexuals.

As the mother of a lesbian and a friend to a number of gay men, I find that statement offensive. These people are Real Men And Women. They just don't get sexually aroused by the opposite sex.

An Illuminati is basically one who is an Adept either from the White Lodge or from the Black Lodge!

Not entirely true. Since the founding of The Illuminati, a lot of modern sects have appropriated the title. It's almost become meaningless.

Jesus, Buddha, Cagliostro, Saint Germaine, Goethe, Mozart, Da Vinci and many other illuminati from the white lodge have been slander by the illuminati of the black lodge.

There is a drive by gnostic groups to try and claim membership of famous people in their group (similar to what you're accusing the gays of doing.) There is actually some reasonable eidence that Da Vinci enjoyed the favors of young boys, but the rest are kind of a mixed bag. Nothing of the sort was said about Buddha, who was celibate. So the "slanders" really are modern in origin.

Gays want to make non-gay Great Women and Men look like they were gay in order to feel better about themselves.

While there may be a few who do this, most don't. Similar movements exist with the "Africa is the source of all civilization" movements, the "Bosnia is the source of all great civilization" movements, the "Stonehenge and England" movements, with the "Irish saved the world" movements, etc, etc.

[url=http://www.gnosticteachings.org/content/view/103/66/]We hear, for instance, that many ignoramuses state that Tchaikovsky, Leonardo Da Vinci and Nero, Emperor of Rome, were homosexuals.[/quotel]

Don't be so hasty to deny this one. In fact, Nero had a male lover that he had dress up as Poppeia (the wife that he murdered) and was only one of his male favorites. Da Vinci was prosecuted by the courts for suspected homosexuality and there's a bit of circumstantial evidence showing a fondness for young men (more than just paintings). There's a whole archive of letters by Tchaikovsky to his nephew and other young men... love lettersm, in fact. His brother was openly gay.

They cannot understand that the brain of the homosexual is filled with the Poisoninoskirian Vibrations.

I think that's the silliest thing I've read!

*Edit*

[edit on 12-12-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
homosexuals:

...da vinci (he even got in trouble for it)...

...newton (the reason for his celibacy)...

I don't believe you.

the first is incredibly well documented
1476
with a 17 year-old model named jacopo saltarelli
he was aquitted because of the position of the model's father

the second is mostly speculative, but i think there was a recent docucment that surfaced which made it seem legit

edit: adding elenore roosevelt to the list (did i butcher the spelling?)

[edit on 12/12/06 by madnessinmysoul]

I think that's the silliest thing I've read!

Ah, now don't get all upset just because you're not open-minded enough to consider the Esoterism of Gurdjieff and the Tantric teachings of Samael Aun Weor and the Tibetan Adepts.


And I still don't believe the accusations about said Adepts being supposedly gay.


Next thing you know, people will be saying that Gurdjieff, Samael Aun Weor and Padmasambhava...

...were gay(which is obviously not true)!!!

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the first is incredibly well documented
1476
with a 17 year-old model named jacopo saltarelli
he was aquitted because of the position of the model's father

He must have been falsely accused or set up.





[edit on 12-12-2006 by Tamahu]

No, I wouldn't consider that to be good company, for one reason:

they're gay.

Its amazing the amount of anti-gay people on ATS.
Actually given that most of you are from America and probably are influenced by evangelical christian dogma, it may not be that hard.

First and foremost, we have no clue what anyone was...
Think about communication, we misunderstand each other all the time.
Whisper a word to the person next to you, and go in a circle and see what gets distorted and said at the end.

If we cant even quote what is said in public, how do we know the private life of people 10 of thousands of years ago? By our own prejudices? By what we think they were supposed to be like? I hardly think so.

The Christian argument doesnt hold up about gays.
Look at Gods creation, as Paul puts it. I have said it elsewhere on the boards and I will say it here, take a look.

Just yesterday on national geographic it showed some sea animal who has the male part, no female part. The male is decided by who can actually puncture through a part of the flesh (from what I gathered) of the other...as there is no "receptor". (It was in HUngarian, so you have to excuse the details.)

Also, clown fish can turn from a male fish to a femal fish if the top female fish dies.
(So much for "finding Nemo")

The praying Mantis lady is a cannibal, eats after mating the mate...

Snails have both male and female parts, and also if you cut the head off, it grows back.

We are talking pure evolution...(and no Darwin didnt denounce it...Christians can go to their back to genesis website and they will even admit this)

So what is the problem with homosexuals exactly?
Cause nature meant it to be man and woman, or God...well creation needs straightening out on many levels, not just human.

Also, as far as reproduction..science has already evolved past perhaps primitive concepts...Dick Cheneys daughter is now pregnant...and as long as lesbians reproduce, the argument that we wont exist anymore, doesnt hold up, and they will continue to have males...and men probably can just grow babies in test tubes also...
So the concept, again, that this is the only way to make sure we continue to survive as a species is silly.

Labelling people as this or that is silly also...thats why we fight. Im this, your that.
Im American, Im British, Im this and that...we are what we are...and only in the present moment...past and future all happen in the present.

Time to let go of all the hate, and start to demonstrate what the christian leader said...(Jesus) love...and not to judge...period, as that is for God. We like to do the latter, and make excuses for not doing the former...do people really believe, or are they subject to the hate instilled in them from their milieu?

Peace

Dalen

Originally posted by southern_cross3
No, I wouldn't consider that to be good company, for one reason:

they're gay.

YOu know, I understand where you are coming from.
Hate is instilled from youth...I too once hated perhaps as you did "homosexuals" and labeled them as "evil" and had the "word of God" to back me up.
Well, read my above post and the "word of God" actually doesnt back it up nor does nature. I dont expect anyone who "hates gays" to change overnight...it happens after searching for truth in life as a whole, and you start to open your mind and drop the things that hinder...labelling and hate, and realize we are all on equal footing, and need to do one thing...find out what it is WE need to do in our life. That is why I cannot condemn your attitude,as you are where you need to be now...but I can point a light to show there is an alternative if you so wish. (no you dont have to be gay...fear says that you might turn gay if you accept them for who they are. Well do I turn into a hateful person for accepting people who may show a "hateful" attitude"? No...fear really is harsh...and on the person who has it.)

Peace

Dalen

[edit on 13-12-2006 by dAlen]

Originally posted by southern_cross3
No, I wouldn't consider that to be good company, for one reason:

they're gay.

hooray!
bigotry at it's finest there

come on, homosexuals have always existed, and they always will
they are primarily productive members of society

what's wrong with being gay if you are a participant in the furthering of human society?

so you like to engage in sexual relations with a member of the same sex, it's not that big of a deal

a wise man i know once said, "if i had gay neighbors, i'd worry about the exact same things i'd worry about if they were straight."

I don't hate homosexuals, but I refuse to accept or respect unacceptably perverse behavior. Here we have rampant AIDs in Africa, yet the group that spread the disease all around continues to spout about in the Gay Parade like a lawn sprinkler spraying AIDs all over the grass of the world.

Love is love.


Love is ALWAYS Good.

Judgment is always ill-recommended.

And also - Freddy Mercury was a genius!

There are many geniuses - genius (in all forms) comes from ONE place.

Obviously God doesn't care about sexual orientation - the prohibition in the bible against MALE homosexual behavior is directed at the envy and strife caused by the idea of a 'god seed' and temple prostitution.

Do your homework.
Love your neighbor.
Mind your own darn business (it makes loving your neighbor MUCH easier!)

And, have a nice day!

Originally posted by southern_cross3
I don't hate homosexuals, but I refuse to accept or respect unacceptably perverse behavior. Here we have rampant AIDs in Africa, yet the group that spread the disease all around continues to spout about in the Gay Parade like a lawn sprinkler spraying AIDs all over the grass of the world.

AIDS isn't a homosexual disease

it PROBABLY comes from contamination of needles involved in vaccinations during the colonization

[edit on 12/13/06 by madnessinmysoul]

Hi queenannie38

Originally posted by queenannie38
Obviously God doesn't care about sexual orientation - the prohibition in the bible against MALE homosexual behavior is directed at the envy and strife caused by the idea of a 'god seed' and temple prostitution.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to your seed, which is Christ. - Galatians 3: 16

Esoterically, this passage from Galatians is in reference to Bodhicitta.

(Sanskrit) Literally, Bodhi means "enlightenment" or "wisdom." Citta means mind. The synthesis, bodhicitta means "the enlightened mind" or the "mind of wisdom." This term has many levels of application.

(1) In an introductory form, it is used to describe the altruistic intention to attain enlightenment for the benefit of suffering beings.

2) In Mahayana teachings it is an elevated state of awareness (prajna) which directly perceives Emptiness.

3) In Tantrism it refers to the seminal fluids of the body.

4) Samael Aun Weor often expresses the synthesis of the term, which combines all these meanings.

"The Bodhicitta is the awakened and developed superlative Consciousness of the Being. The Bodhicitta emerges in the aspirant who sacrifices himself for his fellowmen, long before the Mercurial bodies have been created... It is necessary for the Bodhicitta, which means the auric embryo, the awakened Consciousness, to fall into the Illuminated Void." - The Pistis Sophia Unveiled

"Obviously, before the Bodhisattva is born, the Bodhicitta must be formed within ourselves. Furthermore, it is important to clarify the necessity of disintegrating the ego, the “I,” in order for the Bodhicitta to emerge. The Bodhicitta is formed with the merits of love and supreme sacrifice for our fellowmen. The Bodhisattva is formed within the environment and psychological atmosphere of the Bodhicitta." - The Pistis Sophia Unveiled

And there probably isn't a single homosexual who retains their seed.

(Which is irrelevant, because the sexual energy polarized through gay-sexual activity can't be transmuted inward and upward).


So obviously God does care about our "sexual orientation".





Regards







[edit on 14-12-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
(Which is irrelevant, because the sexual energy polarized through gay-sexual activity can't be transmuted inward and upward).]/quote]

And you KNOW this? From personal experience or what?

So obviously God does care about our "sexual orientation".

What is more important is that we DO NOT judge or condemn. And love one another with acceptance and understanding (even if we DON'T understand).

I DO KNOW this from personal experience. Undoubtedly.

What comes out of your heart is far more important than what comes out of your reproductive system. This I also KNOW.

It is not about judging or condemnation though.

It is about pointing out wrong views as to give ignorant Sentient Beings the option of abandoning them.

The Gnostic teaching is that Nous is the Atom of Christ within the Heart.

The Buddhist teaching is that Bodhicitta(The Sincere Wish to achieve Enlightenment for the sake of All suffering Sentient Beings), is within not only the Heart, but also within the seminal system.

This is why Chastity is stressed so much in Religion.


Samael Aun Weor teaches that when the Kundalini(which is Sexual) is raised, it always goes to the Heart Temple, even after it is raised to the Crown Chakra.

He says that the Most Beautiful Atoms, are those of the Son(Chokmah) within the Heart.


Let us not confuse genuine Compassion with sentimentality.

There are many who seem to be Compassionate; but if they are fornicators(such as gays), then where is Bodhicitta?


This all makes sense when we consider that everything that exists is the product of Sexual Energy.

Including of course, The HU-Man or Arm Leg Leg Arm Head.





Regards

Originally posted by Tamahu

There are many who seem to be Compassionate; but if they are fornicators(such as gays), then where is Bodhicitta?


This all makes sense when we consider that everything that exists is the product of Sexual Energy.

I am sure a lot of gays are just fornicators (that has to be mankinds funniest word) and many straights are just fornicators.

What does that matter is they love each other?

I am a straight fornicator and a man of love.

Love is the law love is the bond, and if people are gay in that portion of thier spiritual journey than that is the road God has chosen for them. We are all of the dualistic energy of the Male and Female aspects of the source of everything, God. This is not the path for some at this time.

EDIT


[edit on 14-12-2006 by Tamahu]