Christmas Trees Removed From Sea-Tac

This is BS. I am not religious but this is about control plain and simple.

Symantics, word play.


I have a China Cabinet in my house. It wasn't made in China and there is no China in it.

Christmas Tree?

What an idiot this rabbi is. He must be historically ignorant too.

Christmas trees are a pagan ritual the only time it is considered anything close to a christian symbol is when a star or cross is put on the top of the tree to symbolize Christ.

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Originally posted by Realtruth

Christmas trees are a pagan ritual the only time it is considered anything close to a christian symbol is when a star or cross is put on the top of the tree to symbolize Christ.

Well, did these trees have a star on top? If so, burn 'em down. If not, Happy Solstice.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Well, did these trees have a star on top? If so, burn 'em down. If not, Happy Solstice.

Rasobasi, I'm getting mixed thoughts about your stance. Please help me out bud

You advocate people having paganistic symbols on display and from previous posts I gather that you like Halloween, but you don't approve of someone displaying Christmas trees or symbols that can be indentified with Christianity...right?

Seems to me that your beef is with Christians and Christianity and that it's clouding your judgement a bit....afterall, according to you it's OK to show one and not the other. Why the double standard?

I'm not attacking you, just pointing out something that I feel is the reason for all this Christmas PCness going on....for most people, it's not about being equal with religions...it's about not liking Christianity and doing anything you can to show it...even it it means taking down Christmas trees at an airport.

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Bah Humbug! At least there is Festivus for the rest of us!! All kidding aside... this is the EXACT kind of crap that pushes us even closer towards a socialist society. What ever happend to people having THE RIGHT to decorate for a holiday as they see fit?

Whats next? What, I cant deck my front yard out in Christmas decor? Are home owner associations next to ban what you can and cant do on your own front yard?

Yep... just keep pissin' away your freedoms people.

Originally posted by SportyMB
Rasobasi, I'm getting mixed thoughts about your stance. Please help me out bud

You advocate people having paganistic symbols on display and from previous posts I gather that you like Halloween, but you don't approve of someone displaying Christmas trees or symbols that can be indentified with Christianity...right?

Seems to me that your beef is with Christians and Christianity and that it's clouding your judgement a bit....afterall, according to you it's OK to show one and not the other. Why the double standard?

I'm not attacking you, just pointing out something that I feel is the reason for all this Christmas PCness going on....for most people, it's not about being equal with religions...it's about not liking Christianity and doing anything you can to show it...even it it means taking down Christmas trees at an airport.

That last post I made was half in jest. I am all in favor of crosses and mangers and whatnot, as long as a relative amount of time money, and effort is put into symbols of other faiths, and honored in such a way that no one belief is placed in a higher position than others.

For example, if the tree was meant to symbolize a pagan tradition, then we figure what the ration of Pagans who celebrate that tradition is compared to, say, Jews, and put up a relative amount of Jewish symbolism to the pagan symbolism. Since I doubt there are as many pagans as jews, then there shouldn't be as many trees as there are menorah.

If it's a Christian symbol, then public places should put up a relative amount of Jewish to Christian items.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but if a cross, or a star, or an angel is placed in a public arena, then why isn't my God represented accordingly?

It bothers me more that the menorah wasn't put up at the airport than that the trees were taken down.

Originally posted by Creedo
Are home owner associations next to ban what you can and cant do on your own front yard?

Uh... probably

Peace Wreath Banned by homeowners association

DENVER - A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

The association later resigned and the Peace Wreath still stands. But if people can find a way to be offended and ban something, they will.

This country is starting to become so un-American. Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves!!

Our founding fathers bought, sold, beat, and raped black people, and willfully denied them rights. Whatever concept you hold of them is already full of hypocracy, so let's not bring them up shall we?

Yes, Rasobasi420, you're right, but that has little to do with the concept of government they had for this country. They had serious flaws (don't we all) but they had grand ideas for this country and its government that have stood strong and proud for many years. And until very recently, they worked spectacularly.

You're right BH. My only point was that this country never held fast to whatever ideals were put on that paper they wrote. It was always, and remains to this day, exclusive to those accepted within ranks.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420


If it's a Christian symbol, then public places should put up a relative amount of Jewish to Christian items.

It bothers me more that the menorah wasn't put up at the airport than that the trees were taken down.

The reason they took it down is because of a whinng rabbi that sounds like a 2 year old. If they put up a menorah then they would have to put up something representing all other religions, if the premise is the tree represents Christ.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420 Personally, I'm not a fan of Christianity, but if a cross, or a star, or an angel is placed in a public arena, then why isn't my God represented accordingly?

Your God is different from the Christian God?

I thought they were the same God.


RT

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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Our founding fathers bought, sold, beat, and raped black people, and willfully denied them rights. Whatever concept you hold of them is already full of hypocracy, so let's not bring them up shall we?

I think all religions and Governments are guilty of this even the Jews they were amoungst the biggest, if not the biggest slave traders in the world for hundreds of years.

Everyone was part of this madness back then not just our founding fathers.

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Originally posted by Realtruth
Your God is different from the Christian God?

I thought they were the same God.


RT

And theirin lies the problem.

Edit: And i never claimed the founding fathers were alone. I simply said they represented a hypocracy that continues to this day.

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I believe this entire situation is much ado about nothing.

The fact remains that it was a Christmas Tree in the airport, not a flashy neon sign that says "All must worship Jesus". If it were the latter, I'd understand the complaint.

The arguments presented in this thread are quite sound with regard to Christmas trees being a rather commercialized symbol having very little to do with proselytizing, which might be what the person's complaint was.

I do, however, believe in equal representation. The USA is a country that was founded on freedom of religion, and as part of that I would say that all religions should have equal opportunity to display their festive symbols (which, by the way, is what is done in the buildings in NYC I spoke about above). It really shows the whole "new york is a melting pot" theory because you can see the effort to make everyone feel welcome. Could an equal "all across the board" policy of no symbols allowed also be considered fair? Sure, but it would be boring and would suck.

The only place that I don't think any of these symbols should really be is at government buildings like courthouses and that sort because then you open yourself up to many problems such as "is the government hereby endorsing religion A", and they're specifically not supposed to do that.

Otherwise, who cares, really. Put in a tree, a menorah, a kwanzaa candelabra, put them all in. Why not? Let people see their holiday symbol and be happy. For those who don't celebrate a particular holiday, ok, big deal.

The guy was off base for complaining. If you don't like the tree, walk by it. If you find it unfair that yours isn't represented, request a Menorah. There is no reason why anyone's symbol should be taken away.

Originally posted by SportyMB

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
that the Christians who are so upset by this should just get over it, and stop whining.

This isn't about Christian vs [insert religion here]....it's about an airport that wanted to display Christmas trees, not mangers (sp) and crosses.....just Christmas trees.

They want to display artifacts that represent a holiday and a certain time of the year....just like other holidays:


Vampires, spider webs and pumpkins = Halloween

Hearts, chocolate and expensive dates = Valentine's day

Turkeys, tall black hats and Indains = Thanksgiving day

Green beer and shamrocks = St' Patties day!!!!!!

Christmas trees, Santa, reindeer, chimneys, gifts, and lights = Christmas


And you know what...none of them to the average person has anything to do with religion! Maybe back in the day they started as a religious holiday...but that's not the case today, it's culture, it's secular traditions, it's having a good time with friends and family...and by protesting Christmas trees, your'e protesting that, not Christianity.

Are you that anal that you protest Christianity by not participating in this year's secret santa back at the office?


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you forgot the easter (christian ha ya right) frenzy

bunny rabbit and eggs............has absolutly nothing to do with christ.

christimas and easter what a joke. the "christians who think these have something to do with christ is lost in the world and have no idea what the teaching of christ are about. in fact they are completely opposite of what christ taught.....in reality christmas and easter are satanic in its roots. all of the confusion and fighting over the tree and such are just an endless circle of nonsense.

Originally posted by Funkydung
in fact they are completely opposite of what christ taught.....in reality christmas and easter are satanic in its roots.

That's not true. They are pagan, but not satanic.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Our founding fathers bought, sold, beat, and raped black people, and willfully denied them rights. Whatever concept you hold of them is already full of hypocracy, so let's not bring them up shall we?

You must keep in mind that blacks were not conciderd "human" in those days. More like livestock. At least not the level of human as white folks were. So it makes perfect sence to me that they were not part of those rights back then. No I am not saying that was a "good" thing just the mindset of the times.

I think this is also much hype about nothing.

So the story is this Rabbi was walking through the international
section of the airport and saw the trees, and realized that there
were no menorahs
anywhere in sight.....
So he threated a lawsuit insisting that they display a menorah
beside the larger of the nine trees.
Rather than face a lawsuit and have other religious groups
jump on the bandwagon

They just removed the trees.....a got on with their holiday traffic
( which if you are taking a plane through there, sounds good to me)

Now this Rabbi and his lawyers are saying
"No.No" That's not what we meant!

I think the whole ordeal was absolutely unnecessary....
and the Rabbi doesn't like all the heat

It's A Christmas Tree for Heavens Sake

I didn't hear of a crucifix hanging anywhere

GEEEEZZZZZ FREAKIN LOUISE!!!

I actually posted a reply to something similar on this page a few posts up. Let's not jack this thread by talking about founding father stuff.

Does anyone else see something wrong with them not putting up the menorah? I think that's the most telling problem with this whole story. It's a willingness to sacrefice one's own faith so long as another's isn't represented.

The difference is and has been pointed out many times that the Christmas tree has nothing to do with the Christian Faith. However, the Menorah has everything to do with the Jewish Faith.

I just think we should not be able to decorate anything, anyplace, anymore period!

Let's just live a non-religious, non-meaningful, non-celebratory, PC, machine like existence until Islam bleeds in and takes over. Only then will everyone either be happy Islamic or dead anything else....

Isn't it wonderful? Oh, can I say wonderful?

I was just wondering how it felt to all the non Christians that love their Christmas tree to have their apple cart turned over and their traditions attacked? Not so good, huh... and I get no pleasure out of saying that because this stuff has just gone too far. It starts with religion but eventually it works it's way outward.


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