Secret Government employees ... thinking?

All i want to know is at the end of the day of a secret government job doing what ever they are doing, do they ever sit back and question the morality of what they are doing.
for example Phill Shnyder came forward when he put 2 and 2 together. if he's telling the truth. we are all in deep $#%#$.

what possibly could these agents be thinking. if they think when %%## hits the fan they wont be effected, they will be surely mistaken.

So what the hell are they thinking!!!!!
any thoughts ?
And if a secret agent reads this please respond hahahah.

I am not a secret agent but a Special Agent with the MDIA Military Defence Intelligence Agency i have been with them for 4 years and im not suposed to tell you this but what the hell for the past 9 weeks i have been working in a room with the top officals couple of Generals and etc.. what we do isnt really fun but you cant help to think about it

Defenceexpert, I was wondering what branch of the government the MDIA falls under. I've been working in intelligence for a few years, and i've never heard of it...

Originally posted by defenceexpert
I am not a secret agent but a Special Agent with the MDIA Military Defence Intelligence Agency i have been with them for 4 years and im not suposed to tell you this but what the hell for the past 9 weeks i have been working in a room with the top officals couple of Generals and etc.. what we do isnt really fun but you cant help to think about it

A lot of what I do isn't necessarily fun, but that's due to it being mundane, not because of rampant immoral activity.

Originally posted by thedangler
All i want to know is at the end of the day of a secret government job doing what ever they are doing, do they ever sit back and question the morality of what they are doing.
for example Phill Shnyder came forward when he put 2 and 2 together. if he's telling the truth. we are all in deep $#%#$.

what possibly could these agents be thinking. if they think when %%## hits the fan they wont be effected, they will be surely mistaken.

So what the hell are they thinking!!!!!
any thoughts ?
And if a secret agent reads this please respond hahahah.

With regards to Phil Schneider-

"For the last two years of his life, Schneider gave over 30 lectures to a variety of audiences across the globe, concerning conspiracy theories in which he claimed to be leaking information exposing them.

However, Schneider was never able or willing to prove his allegations (e.g. showing the entrance to Dulce Base).

His claims received little mainstream notice, but caused quite a buzz in UFO enthusiast circles."

Claiming that 66 Delta troopers died in '79, is silly. Charlie Beckwith was still putting Delta together, and a loss of 66 at anytime(then or now) Delta troopers wouldn't go unnoticed. That would be almost the entire unit at that time, or at the very least a very large percentage. Fighting aliens isn't Delta's specialty in any event. They train primarily for counter terrorism/hostage rescue, with other skills in special reconnaissance(i.e. hunting for WMD, SCUDs, HVTs).

With regards for secret government workers, and their thoughts at the end of the day. Most likely- I need to stop by the store and get milk on the way home, or something to that effect. The presumption that they're doing something that they should feel guilty about is just that. The notion that government jobs are sexy and glamorous is a Hollywood notion.

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Imo, Chemtrails are a reality. We've lived beneath them virtually on daily basis for the past five (approx.) years. We've photographed them. We've watched them being spread. We see them being laid down at night and during the day, often quite blatantly. They are particularly heavy prior to rain and whenever rain clouds form. We are told our country is in the grip of a catastropic 'drought' and this man-made 'drought' is blamed on the infamous El Nino. All rubbish of course, because rain-clouds gather low overhead (and are systematically dispersed via Chemtrails) three or four days a week, on average. So what kind of 'drought' allows for the presence of clearly visible rain-clouds and storm formation on regular basis? Answer: a deliberate, ruthless, man-made 'drought'.

As well, Chemtrails, according to those who've analysed them, contain a variety of components detrimental to health.

The Chemtrail planes don't fly themselves.

The Chems don't manufacture themselves.

They don't calculate quantities or send out invoices to governments.

They don't load themselves into containers.

They don't transport themselves to airports.

They don't load themselves into the planes.

They don't adjust the spray nozzles.

Nope. PEOPLE DO ALL THAT.

And they're paid to do it.

And they accept that pay and use it to pay off their mortgages and their kids' school fees. They use that pay to buy their food and clothing. They use that money to purchase holiday homes. They use it to buy their vehicles, plasma screens, etc. They base their early-retirement plans on continued payment for spreading poisons on you and me and our families.

They know they are causing drought.

They know they are causing bush-fires.

They know they are sending hundreds of rural workers and their families broke.

They know farmers are suiciding because their stock is dying of hunger and their crops are withering through simple lack of water.

They know they are forcing millions to breathe poisoned air.

Yet who are they ----- the thousands earning their living through this Chemtrail industry?

Are some of them here right now?

There MAY be some who're unaware of precisely what they're producing.

But the companies which manufacture the Chemtrail material can't claim to be unaware.

Nor can the pilots who fly the planes which disperse the Chemtrails.

It's to be suspected those manufacturing companies vie energetically for the government contracts.

And it's to be suspected the Chemtrail plane pilots compete with each other in order to gain additional 'work' hours which translate to increased wages.

They're so cavalier about destroying the lives of others that when their tanks are empty and they're flying back to base, they write flip 'middle finger' signatures in the sky; ticks and squiggles and Xs.

Why not OUT a Chemtrail worker today? After all, they're systematically killing you and your loved ones.

You, or someone you know, in turn very probably KNOWS someone who works in the Chemtrail industry.

The 'secret government jobs' featured in the OP are ONLY secret as long as we allow them to be !

Most 'special' agents of any government are hand selected for their national devotion. Most of them stand out because they truely believe that those in charge of their country are 'the right stuff'.

With that being said, these agents typically don't question the motives of their superiors, and blindly believe that whatever their orders are, they have good reason for giving them.

Scary huh?

The rest of the agents are quite the opposite. They care little for their country, nor it's enhabitants, and love nothing other than their paycheque. I would be such a person... if I were in such a position.
These people will never become more than a field agent, because the country cannot trust such people to give orders, only recieve them. If they start giving orders, they have to start developing their own code of morals... and theres no telling wether that will co-inside with what the country wants.
These 'pay cheque' agents typically do what they do for either the thrill of it, or for the chance of getting their hands in something few others can. Plus the money helps. But usually end up loathing the fact that they cannot advance through the agency, and will come to terms with their own morality in the end, and at that time, their loyalties typically change.
Which is why they were never given promotions in the first place.

Trust me. Those who are in charge of selecting these agents with such security clearance spend alot of time reviewing their mental history, and determining what they are capable of.

You probaly have or have not heard of it MDIA is a Military Defence Investigative Agency they only started in 1995 im dont know if it is in the US but there is a small unit there working with FBI but working in Australia mainly inconjuction with ASIO.

MDIA Special Agent
AUS/USA

Well what ever MDIA is i thnk your fibbing no such thing as so called MDIA
if i was an guy like you Freeyourmind775 i would agree with you.ASIO has nothing to do with the ADF (Australian Defence Force).

CDT SENATOR
AAFC 4WG
AUS

Originally posted by johnsky
Most 'special' agents of any government are hand selected for their national devotion. Most of them stand out because they truely believe that those in charge of their country are 'the right stuff'.

With that being said, these agents typically don't question the motives of their superiors, and blindly believe that whatever their orders are, they have good reason for giving them.

Scary huh?

The rest of the agents are quite the opposite. They care little for their country, nor it's enhabitants, and love nothing other than their paycheque. I would be such a person... if I were in such a position.
These people will never become more than a field agent, because the country cannot trust such people to give orders, only recieve them. If they start giving orders, they have to start developing their own code of morals... and theres no telling wether that will co-inside with what the country wants.
These 'pay cheque' agents typically do what they do for either the thrill of it, or for the chance of getting their hands in something few others can. Plus the money helps. But usually end up loathing the fact that they cannot advance through the agency, and will come to terms with their own morality in the end, and at that time, their loyalties typically change.
Which is why they were never given promotions in the first place.

Trust me. Those who are in charge of selecting these agents with such security clearance spend alot of time reviewing their mental history, and determining what they are capable of.

Have you hired any special agents, or tried to get a job as a special agent?
You seem to know a lot about how the system works?

from what ive experienced (nothing top secret). its not really an issue(moral) you dont tell others because you know civilians are inadequate and are unable to offer anything remotely that would be considered assistance.

when you join the armed forces, from day one your taught to look at society with wavering eyes. common ppl are useless; they are not intelligent and are unable to survive when the sh*t hits the fan. and the deeper down the rabbit hole you go the severity of your disdain for citizens increases. in effect your ability to communicate with civilians diminishes.

any agent claiming things, has either had something that has turned his world upside down and cant think straight or is a disinfo agent. in the armed forces your bearing is highly valued; the man with unwavering bearing would be the standard for such interests.

as johnsky said if your not up to par you go no where.

Originally posted by thedangler
All i want to know is at the end of the day of a secret government job doing what ever they are doing, do they ever sit back and question the morality of what they are doing.
for example Phill Shnyder came forward when he put 2 and 2 together. if he's telling the truth. we are all in deep $#%#$.

what possibly could these agents be thinking. if they think when %%## hits the fan they wont be effected, they will be surely mistaken.

So what the hell are they thinking!!!!!
any thoughts ?
And if a secret agent reads this please respond hahahah.

Desensitized, and trained otherwise.

Yeah, I suppose you could referr to the nationalistic agents as 'brainwashed' into doing what they do. Only, for the agency, the work is already done for them... all they have to do is go and pick them up.

The military is a great place for finding candidates for recruitment. Most of the people who enlist in the military had some form of patriotism in them, and are now very disciplined and readily follow orders. The ones who can think of their feet and still blindly follow their orders are typically the ones who work their way up to commanding roles in an agency.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
from what ive experienced (nothing top secret). its not really an issue(moral) you dont tell others because you know civilians are inadequate and are unable to offer anything remotely that would be considered assistance.

when you join the armed forces, from day one your taught to look at society with wavering eyes. common ppl are useless; they are not intelligent and are unable to survive when the sh*t hits the fan. and the deeper down the rabbit hole you go the severity of your disdain for citizens increases. in effect your ability to communicate with civilians diminishes.

any agent claiming things, has either had something that has turned his world upside down and cant think straight or is a disinfo agent. in the armed forces your bearing is highly valued; the man with unwavering bearing would be the standard for such interests.

as johnsky said if your not up to par you go no where.

Which service are you in, that taught you that common people are useless and unintelligent? I've never ever heard anything approaching that. I don't know too many folks that have inabilities to communicate with civilians either. As for bearing, that's merely tact and professionalism, not blind allegiance.

Originally posted by johnsky
Yeah, I suppose you could referr to the nationalistic agents as 'brainwashed' into doing what they do. Only, for the agency, the work is already done for them... all they have to do is go and pick them up.

The military is a great place for finding candidates for recruitment. Most of the people who enlist in the military had some form of patriotism in them, and are now very disciplined and readily follow orders. The ones who can think of their feet and still blindly follow their orders are typically the ones who work their way up to commanding roles in an agency.

Any recruiting of military folks is based on their skills, not their blind allegiance. This notion of blind allegiance is hogwash. The fact that they already may have security clearances is another plus. This saves time and money in having to conduct a lengthy and expensive background investigation.

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

Originally posted by thedangler
All i want to know is at the end of the day of a secret government job doing what ever they are doing, do they ever sit back and question the morality of what they are doing.
for example Phill Shnyder came forward when he put 2 and 2 together. if he's telling the truth. we are all in deep $#%#$.

what possibly could these agents be thinking. if they think when %%## hits the fan they wont be effected, they will be surely mistaken.

So what the hell are they thinking!!!!!
any thoughts ?
And if a secret agent reads this please respond hahahah.

Desensitized, and trained otherwise.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Vietnam his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Rambo was the best.

Of course real operators military or otherwise, are nothing like Rambo. There's no desensitizing courses, but folks are selected based on mental toughness and stability- one doesn't get through Special Forces, Ranger, SEAL, etc... training because they've been desensitized.

Originally posted by GT100FV
Any recruiting of military folks is based on their skills, not their blind allegiance. This notion of blind allegiance is hogwash. The fact that they already may have security clearances is another plus. This saves time and money in having to conduct a lengthy and expensive background investigation.

Security clearance can be given to anyone at any-time so long as they don't have a criminal record... I have security clearance, all I had to do was have a background check done. So wether or not they have security clearance already has absolutely no effect on their employment into the agency what-so-ever.

Skills? HA. If they relied on skill alone, thrust me, the paycheque these guys recieve sure as hell wouldnt keep them quiet about what they're assigned.
Believe me, you're more employable if you blindly follow orders, than simply being good at something.

In the end, your intelligence guys aren't the brightest... but they sure are loyal.

Background checks are expensive, and take a while(I have clearance too). It's true that interim secret clearances can be granted, but when you start getting into top secret, and SCI, it takes longer(I had a buddy that it took 3yrs to get a secret clearance). If somebody already has that clearance it saves time and money, over starting from scratch. In terms of operators, they are interested in skills. If you're just talking analysts, they'd probably recruit from Universities, or folks that have a lot of experience culturally speaking in whatever region. Blind allegiance isn't a trait I've ever seen as a criterion for selection to anything(perhaps the Waffen SS), certainly not in an operator. It's what they know how to do that makes them employable, not the fact that they turn off their brains and into zombies.

As for the paychecks, they're having a hard time keeping SOF personnel in the service due to these paychecks. If you can make 3X what you're making now, it would be awfully hard to resist. I know the US Army is offering $150,000 bonuses for SF soldiers with >18yrs to stay past 20yrs(I believe to 24yrs), to try to compete.

i my self was in the USMC, and yes i was taught that civilians are nasty, filthy undisciplined ppl, and they are persuaded by fiscal concepts every day to the day they die. they are benign and not a resource to rely upon. the reason why armed forces were developed because common ppl are incapable of handling true moments of valor. less commonly known USMC degrades all other branches(behind doors of course). from what i came to understand the AirForce ridicules the USMC as "drones of war" or "hard asses", many marines know this and laugh at it

i hear all the time the USMC is a brainwashing program, but to tell you the truth its just a different perspective. with a substantial amount of reinforcement. but its not blind allegiance , a marines mind is free from many things that hamper a common mans mind.

in order to be acknowledge as a higher breed(special agent material); you do need skill, but to advance beyond acknowledgment it takes hard discipline and unwavering bearings. theyll need proof you can handle anything and not become a security risk.

loyalty is hard to come by and its very valuable. ability can be learned, but it is mind-set, that separates one soldier from another.


EDIT: its clear i miss read the OP, i was directing my replies toward soldiers not deskmen, it seems the OP is talking about govt employees as apposed to field agents...sorry for the misunderstanding. still some of my post does apply very little of it but

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