O'Hare Airport UFO Sighting -- UPDATE: Photos & Analysis

Originally posted by Springer
If you can't stand or "get" the fact that this could be the event of the millenium that's cool, but for crying out loud find something closer to reality to compare it against.

I believe the event happened, so I don't think it could be compared to those hoaxes. I personally don't believe the photo is genuine though, and I really hope something else comes out, even if not I still think the incident was very important, and hope there's more to come, unless they are not friendly of course.

I agree with Dr. Love

I don't see how we can debunk photos and be 100% sure. I don't see how we can claim a photo to be 100% real. This being the case I see all this photo analysis as counter productive and the cause of confusion. Confusion to possible skeptics, believers and eyewitnesses who may or may not have actual photos that jibe. WHY THE F CANT WE FOCUS! On digging for the truth! On finding new information! On looking at the BIG PICTURE! I have to believe at this point that there are definitely behaviors here on this board that suggest a constant effort to influence in one direction or the other. The photos will speak for themselves!

Also can anyone tell me how they can be certain that historic images used to compare new images to are not PLANTED? I mean unless you are the one who took the old image that DOES NOT SHOW A UFO in it then how can you be sure? If I was Big Brother and I wanted to discredit a photo it would be easy and one of the first things I would do. IS THIS A DEBUNKING SITE???


AS

I don't know what else we can do beyond going on every national program that will have us on, advertising on Craig's list, spreading the word far and wide ASKING FOR WITNESSES AND PICTURES.

What ELSE can we do?! You name it and if it makes sense I'll DO IT.

Springer...

I am not looking at one picture or listening to ONE eyewitness. The event that is gonna bring about disclosure is one that cannot be denied. This event may have been of this type. If so we should see something extraordinary, something that would of grabbed the attention of all around and something that probably would look very significant on film. I'm skeptical at this point. Skeptical in the sense that perhaps the real photos stand no chance in such a confused audience.

AS

SPRINGER,

I wish I had a clear plan. All I know is that this board seems to have some intelligent people. Lets develop sources around ORD operations. The security guards, the TSA'a , the janitors. These are the eyes and ears of the institution and they probably know a lot. I really don't have all the answers but I know that debunking should be left to the debunkers.

AS

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
If so we should see something extraordinary, something that would of grabbed the attention of all around and something that probably would look very significant on film. I'm skeptical at this point. Skeptical in the sense that perhaps the real photos stand no chance in such a confused audience.

Well, I've seen photos and film that are pretty amazing, yet there is still no disclosure. And that's not even really important, IMO. What is important is that WE know what we all have seen, on film and in real life and no amount of "it was a pigeon, or a weather balloon" can change my mind that something's out there. The government will never tell us anything because that will show them to be out of control and they don't want that. Nothing short of events like what happened in the movie Signs will get them to disclose anything...

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
I am not looking at one picture or listening to ONE eyewitness. The event that is gonna bring about disclosure is one that cannot be denied. This event may have been of this type. If so we should see something extraordinary, something that would of grabbed the attention of all around and something that probably would look very significant on film. I'm skeptical at this point. Skeptical in the sense that perhaps the real photos stand no chance in such a confused audience.

AS

So, you don't have any solutions or suggestions on how to do a better job you just think it's all screwed up?

Well I can tell you this mate, after 20 years of watching those who care ONLY for their own personal gain SCREW THE POOCH with pretty much every incident that has happened I feel VERY GOOD about what's happeneing with this one.

GET MORE DATA, that's the ONLY thing worth doing. If there are genuine images out there and several more people who watched this thing, and I believe there are, GETTING THEM INTO THE LIGHT is the ONLY thing that is going to help explain this and possibly other incidents.

Sitting around complaining about some non descript confusion doesn't help get anything done or exposed does it?

Wasting time worrying about one photo being a plant is playing directly into the hands of whoever planted it since it takes precious time AWAY from seeking out more, GENUINE photographs and testimony.

Just my humble opinion of course.

So, I am going to continue to talk with everyone that will listen, ask for MORE PICTURES and WITNESSES and pursue this to its ultimate end, WHATEVER that "end" may be.

Springer...

Springer --- as usual --- is right. Ever since I've been here there have been tons of hoaxes. But they all implode sooner or later on their own. I want to get to the bottom of the O'Hare event as much as anyone but it's going to take time. We all need to be patient. If it's a hoax it will self-destruct. They all do.

Anyone who witnessed this event was almost certainly affected by it. They're looking for answers even more than we are. Many of these same people may have photos. We need their testimony. We most cetainly need their photos. At this point we need to do everything we possibly can to encourage them to come forward. One way we can do that is to remain open-minded, accepting and constructive here on ATS. If an actual witness was out there monitoring this thread and had read some of the stuff posters have written they'd likely be afraid to come forward for fear of being flamed, ridiculed or worse. Read 'eyewitness' initial posts. She, too, was reluctant to come forward for just that reason.

Springer... I suggested some pages ago that you attempt to reach-out to Google. Witnesses are very likely to be looking for answers and that being the case will be 'googling' the crap out of "O'Hare UFO". Perhaps Google could be convinced of popping up a PSA encouraging witnesses to come forward. I realize it's a long-shot. It is unprecedented but I would think worth a shot.

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
SPRINGER,

I wish I had a clear plan. All I know is that this board seems to have some intelligent people. Lets develop sources around ORD operations. The security guards, the TSA'a , the janitors. These are the eyes and ears of the institution and they probably know a lot. I really don't have all the answers but I know that debunking should be left to the debunkers.

AS

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I live in the southern suburbs of Chicago and later this afternoon I'm going to take a trip up to O'Hare to see what information, if any, I can get from casually talking to some of the employees there. Hopefully I won't look too suspicious and get detained for anything. If you don't see me posting on here for a few days ... well then you know what happened ...

In all seriousness, I think this is our best route to actually find out the truth ... instead of bickering over the validity of photographs, let's go out and actually talk to people that might have witnessed this event. It's easy to take the low road and sit behind our LCDs and CRTs and pass judgement on an event, but I'd rather take a few blows and get some eyewitness testimony.

Springer and Fiverz definitely have the right idea and im glad im not alone in thinking that all this debunking is counterproductive!

AS

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
Springer and Fiverz definitely have the right idea and im glad im not alone in thinking that all this debunking is counterproductive!

AS

Don't get me wrong, I think analysis was and is needed of potential photographs ... but when you get to a point where it is really unclear if there is high-level tampering, or if it is really a UFO and not some other anomaly in the first place, the photos take a backseat to eyewitness testimony. And anyways the only way we are going to get more pictures/evidence is by talking to the people that haven't had a voice to this point.

Originally posted by TheShadow
Those two photos were debunked on this very forum (by jritzman i believe) He found the originals in an in depth Google search reversed and with no UFO

No, if you're talking about those 2 pics...they were debunked by me.Here's the link.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

just wanna keep things clear

Originally posted by Eyewitness

AgainstSecrecy, the problem is that the "object" in your hoaxed pics simply doesn't have the solidity and light-shadow clarity of what I saw. The hoaxed "object" looks way too diffuse, and is still obviously a light source rather than a solid object reflecting ambient light and ground darkness.

I never claimed that the object in my reproduced fakes was meant to be the so called "ufo" (shown in 0000000's picture (or any other ufo...or anything else than planelights...). Those are just some planelights (congestion picture). I don't know were the guy who "produced" (let's call it like this, since the words hoax or fake are not welcomed for this picture) the picture got the object from.

[edit on 30-1-2007 by AgainstSecrecy]

Originally posted by AgainstSecrecy

Originally posted by TheShadow
Those two photos were debunked on this very forum (by jritzman i believe) He found the originals in an in depth Google search reversed and with no UFO

No, if you're talking about those 2 pics...they were debunked by me.Here's the link.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

just wanna keep things clear

I stand corrected and KUDOS to you!! A GREAT find IMO.

Fiverz... How do you feel about bringing some flyers with you asking witnesses to come forward? There must be public bulletin boards at the airport you could use. In any case, keep your eye peeled for any similar notices in the environs of the airport.

Coming to another "issue" here...

I don't see how it could be counterproductive or annoying to analyze pictures if there's a chance that the pictures could be faked.

I don't know if it is still welcomed here to analyze pictures and share the results with other people here. But if not, then it's fine. I can live with it. No problem just tell me, and i'll cease posting.

I'm a truthseeker, but truthseeking doesn't mean to be gulible. Truthseeking also means to be critical about hoaxes/fakes.

fakes/hoaxes are not good for the truthseekers, they make the ufocommunity look more bad than they really are. they don't do us any good.

I then would suggest that everyone who analyzes pictures keeps going but does NOT share his/her results, and keeps the results for him/her self.

[edit on 30-1-2007 by AgainstSecrecy]

Posted by A SINCLAIR, on January 24, 2007 at 12:20 GMT

Hello,

I am new to this site but have worked 2 blocks from Ohare for the past 10 years. I know the area well and have friends in alot of industries that are significant to this amazing story. I work in ELk Grove Village in an industrial area that sits up against the new Ohare expansion area. I have friends in the media and at the airport and all I can say is that there is sooo much more to this story. From people that I have talked to it seems that the military had a significant presence during the sighting. Thats an angle that should be explored. I happen to know some really interesting people and they all give me the impression that this is real. I really can't say more which is not to say I know more only that I can't exactly disclose who I know. It definitely feels like something is about to happen.. I don't know what that means only that there is a feeling shared by many that we are on the verge. Could that be the discovery of other lifeforms? Who knows.


AS

With your location and the people you know, you are continuing to help out in the investigation, right? Hope you're able to dig up more info. Thanks for the info you have supplied so far.

Originally posted by jtma508
Fiverz... How do you feel about bringing some flyers with you asking witnesses to come forward? There must be public bulletin boards at the airport you could use. In any case, keep your eye peeled for any similar notices in the environs of the airport.

I had thought about that, but I think for my first trip I want to stay as under the radar as possible. I don't have a steady work schedule so I don't really have many days off, but I'd like to go back a couple of times. I am afraid if I go sniffing around too much today I won't have the opportunity to go back.

AgainstSecrecy, I think we should continue to discuss photos by all means. I am just saying that we shouldn't be satisfied to only do that when there are other avenues we can take to find out the truth. If your son or daughter was abducted from a party, would you be content with discussing a cell phone cam picture of a possible assailant? Or would you ask every single person that was at that party and find out every single bit of info possible to help find him or her?

Originally posted by jtma508
Springer... I suggested some pages ago that you attempt to reach-out to Google. Witnesses are very likely to be looking for answers and that being the case will be 'googling' the crap out of "O'Hare UFO". Perhaps Google could be convinced of popping up a PSA encouraging witnesses to come forward. I realize it's a long-shot. It is unprecedented but I would think worth a shot.

First post here, suddenly felt the need to comment on this . I think this is a very good point and it's likely that possible witnesses may indeed make google searches. It might be worth the shot to contact google directly (and you may buy ads of course) but may I suggest an alternative:

When you do a google search with "o'hare ufo" the first page that pops up is the nuforc site and then comes the Tribute, ufos.about.com, rense.com etc. I think those sites are such that they could and would make more to encourage witnesses to come forward.

Why doesn't the nuforc site for example contain a big banner at the top requesting specially the O'Hare witnesses to come forward? (Something like a big red banner saying "Where you a witness of the O'Hare UFO? Please make a report or even send your photos" .) The O'Hare incident is their front page story anyway but they just list old information and really don't do anything to encourage more witnesses to report. It sort of feels like they don't need more reports.

I would guess those sites would listen to suggestions made by the admins of this site for example. Just a though...

WHO EVER said ANYTHING about NOT analyzing photographs?!

It's the continued whining, attacking, and talking to DEATH that is wasted energy AFTER they've been analyzed as well as they can be.

NOBODY on this thread has done any of this either.

I was talking about the so called, self appointed "UFO wannabe celebrities" out there who are doing NOTHING but complain about the bloody pictures. Rather than trying to find MORE IMAGES or MORE Witnesses they seem to be hoping to get some "press" by slamming what is already "found".

THAT'S what I don't understand.

Anyone who would blindly accept ANY photo of an incident like this is well, you know...

I personally could not care less what anyone thinks of the photo(s), I don't have any investment in them in at all, they are nothing more than a data point.

DATA POINTS are ALL we can hope to get and I believe anyone who truly wants to get at the truth behind this sighting should be focused on getting them and NOT wasting energy re-hashing the same old tired arguments.

See? I've spent almost 2 hours now screwing around with this instead of talking to the Tribune, THIS is what wears me out.

I'm outta here for a while, got some calls to make.


edit: Well CRAP! The Tribune Reporter is not coming back from vacation until 02 February, 2007! We are in a severe HOLDING pattern until then.

Springer...



[edit on 1-30-2007 by Springer]