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Originally posted by gambon
Sorry Stellar , just posting quotes ,that if you read Agree with my posts ,NOT yours about states of energy isnt going to work.
Are you one of these conmen that tries to fleece people of there money ,You seem keen for others to spend theres,
But refuse my challenge of building a device ....I wonder why?
Im with scotty...no more from me, any one with the slightest nous ,can tell its horse **** by looking it up for themselves.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Gambon, you are absolutely right. And I don't think Stellar is a conman, he's just somebody who likes to "refute" tranditional science,
in search excitement and feeling important. I call this "science pr0n".
Originally posted by gambon
Your understanding of science is laughable...I dont even think you understand what you post ,you havnt the skills to build a device
but believe the yarn someone spins ypou ,against all rewputable science and experimentation
than bury your head in the sand when given the chance to prove your detractors wrong....
I for one would love free energy ,but unfortunatly it is a myth.
A degreed scientist eh...I wonder where I could find one of those....
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Just what part of the law of energy conservation don't people get?
Originally posted by gambon
I have ,where are yours?
Apart from the ones that actually reinforce my point..!!!!lolol
The internal energy is just a form of energy like the potential energy of an object at some height above the earth, or the kinetic energy of an object in motion. In the same way that potential energy can be converted to kinetic energy while conserving the total energy of the system, the internal energy of a thermodynamic system can be converted to either kinetic or potential energy. Like potential energy, the internal energy can be stored in the system. Notice, however, that heat and work can not be stored or conserved independently since they depend on the process. The first law of thermodynamics allows for many possible states of a system to exist, but only certain states are found to exist in nature. The second law of thermodynamics helps to explain this observation.
If a system is fully insulated from the outside environment, it is possible to have a change of state in which no heat is transferred into the system. Scientists refer to a process which does not involve heat transfer as an adiabatic process. The implementation of the first law of thermodynamics for gases introduces another useful state variable called the enthalpy which is described on a separate page.
www.grc.nasa.gov...
Second Law of Thermodynamics - Increased Entropy
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same (First Law), the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.
"Entropy" is defined as a measure of unusable energy within a closed or isolated system (the universe for example). As usable energy decreases and unusable energy increases, "entropy" increases. Entropy is also a gauge of randomness or chaos within a closed system. As usable energy is irretrievably lost, disorganization, randomness and chaos increase
www.allaboutscience.org...
Applying this knowledge to nature, physicists found that the total entropy change (change in S) always increases for every naturally occurring event (within a closed system) that could be then observed. Thus, they theorized, disorder must be continually augmenting evenly throughout the universe. When you put ice into a hot cup of tea (aristocrats of the Victorian era were constantly thinking of tea), heat will flow from the hot tea to the cold ice and melt the ice in the beloved beverage. Then, once the energy in the cup is evenly distributed, the cooled tea would reach a maximum state of entropy. This situation represents a standard increase in disorder, believed to be perpetually occurring throughout the entire universe.
www.physlink.com...
You pick (inaccurate )sources to suit your beliefs in the matter.
Tell you what ,You show me the holes in the relevant equations /laws that let these devices exist
Well may I ask you the same with reference to your evasiveness in the previous quote..Just what exactly do you believe?
Love you ...
In the battery, the Poynting vector is outward, indicating
the direction of energy flow. ~Note the sensitivity of this
result to the sense of the current through the battery.! In the
vicinity of the conducting wires and next to the positive terminal
of the battery, S is parallel to the wire. Perhaps surprisingly,
S is directed from the battery on both sides of the
battery. Along the resistor R, the change of direction of E
outside the resistor causes S to change as well, gradually
turning from parallel to perpendicular to the resistor axis
~and entering it!, at its middle point ~zero surface charge!.
sites.huji.ac.il...
This
account obviously does not explain much about the circuit.
Indeed, in the Feynman lectures we read:4
‘‘We ask what happens in a piece of resistance
wire when it is carrying a current. Since the wire
has resistance, there is an electric field along it,
driving the current. Because there is a potential
drop along the wire, there is also an electric field
just outside the wire, parallel to the surface ~Fig.
27-5!. There is, in addition, a magnetic field
which goes around the wire because of the current.
The E and B are at right angles; therefore
there is a Poynting vector directed radially inward,
as shown in the figure. There is a flow of
energy into the wire all around. It is of course,
equal to the energy being lost in the wire in the
form of heat. So our ‘‘crazy’’ theory says that the
electrons are getting their energy to generate heat
because of the energy flowing into the wire from
the field outside. Intuition would seem to tell us
that the electrons get their energy from being
pushed along the wire, so the energy should be
flowing down ~or up! along the wire. But the
theory says that the electrons are really being
pushed by an electric field, which has come from
some charges very far away, and that the electrons
get their energy for generating heat from
these fields. The energy somehow flows from the
distant charges into a wide area of space and then
inward to the wire.’’ ~emphasis added!.
However, the result of such an application
and the resulting energy transfer in the circuit apparently did
not satisfy Feynman. He wrote: ‘‘this theory is obviously
nuts, somehow energy flows from the battery to infinity and
then back into the load, is really strange.’’4 Feynman, however,
did not persist and left the problem for others to find a
reasonable explanation. Can we say more about energy transfer
in this simple circuit?
sites.huji.ac.il...
Maybe i am a dupe ( i'm human; fallible etc).
Do you find disagreeing with people you consider to be more ignorant than yourself, on a given topic, to be 'exciting'?
Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
In reality any scientist, if presented with some kind of anomoly that looked like an infinite energy source, would be on to it faster than a dog onto a bone. Vast grants, plaudits and Nobel prizes would all be flashing by his or her eyes as they imagined their names up their with Newton and Einstien. Supression would be the last thing on their minds.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Yes.
No. I'd rather these people complete a few honest college courses in physics. Goes a long way to counteract ignorance.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
As a scientist, I can attest to that. And forget "grants", having an infinite fountain of energy under your control will surely make you the richest person in the world to the extent that Bill Gates would seem like a beggar compared to you.
Why the hell would I suppress this? Why would I refuse a ride in a limo all studded with 10 carat diamonds with a few supermodels inside
Originally posted by gambon
Stellarx Again you are posting irrelevant gumph as facts to support a case you like to believe.
What has energy transport by electromagnetic
waves got to do with your arguement (one which is unclear)
Have read many threads you appear on and you just seem to have a HUGE EGO ,love the last word and only believe stuff which supports your viewpoint.
you have admitted you do not have the skills to build /do experiments to proove your case but would rather believe what suits you .
I thought you insisted you werent taliking about over unity?
Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
I did warn you about his cut and paste spam in place of a cogent argument...it's like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
Stellar thinks all the world's phsysists are wrong - he knows better than them.
Yet he can't present a device, experiment or single line of math to support his extraordinary assertions.
He has the paranoid view that scientists all know that CoE doesn't hold true, but they keep up the pretense as they would somehow be out of a job if "free-energy" was confirmed.
In reality any scientist, if presented with some kind of anomoly that looked like an infinite energy source, would be on to it faster than a dog onto a bone.
Vast grants, plaudits and Nobel prizes would all be flashing by his or her eyes as they imagined their names up their with Newton and Einstien.
Supression would be the last thing on their minds.
Originally posted by gambon
Yes ,that is exactly what im asking for ,"supply the sources /views that would better help to explain my views. "
Err ,no you havnt ,you just keep alluding that laws are being misrepresented without saying how.
I have noticed that.
You told me earlier you were not on about over unity devices.