Democrats control Congress and they want the Draft.

When the Republicans had power, Democratic wanted to approve a draft for our military. Luckily the Republicans did not let this happen.

But now that the Democrats control congress, they are at it again. My only instinct on this is that the Democrats want a weakened military, because that is the only thing you will get from a draft.

Link

U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" if he was still serious about the proposal for a universal draft he raised a couple of years ago, he said, "You bet your life. Underscore serious."

Edit to fix long url.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by mrwupy]

sorry. but you've misconstrued both articals. how does a party which wants to pull out want a draft?

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
sorry. but you've misconstrued both articals. how does a party which wants to pull out want a draft?

AAC

How can I misconstrue an article with this headline???

Senior Democrat renews call for military draft

Democrats want the draft to weaken the military. I'm glad Bush is still President so he can VETO this idiotic bill!

That doesn't mean it is going to happen...

Many congressional members have ideologies to push. Only a few of them can be pushed through the house, the senate, and finally the president. So I wouldn't worry one iota about a draft.

Though I do think is would be interesting to have kids graduate from highschool at 17. Then leave for service for two years before heading to the university. I am NOT for a draft into war that is not justified.

BTW I'm from cincy. Who dey!

AAC

[edit on 19-11-2006 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

Im 17yrs old and if this bill passes it would screw me, I had no plans for military service I was going to go to college. I hope this bill is defeated. Looks like we shoulda keep the republicans in the house and senate.

wrong. See that is why I don't lke this post. You get a republican with little knowledge of legislature to post about one man vision of a stronger america, which would never pass... unless (a few circumstances could change).

"Hey, Republicans want to take from the poor and give to the rich."

That is how unsubstanciated this idea is.

Again, I don't think its all that bad of an idea with the right circumstances. But we are very far from those circumstances.

Don't worry kid, you shouldn't worry one bit, have fun in college. And stay away from the recruiters!

AAC

oh for crying out loud, here we go again. last time it was a republican congressman who wanted to do this. there is at least one idiot a session who tries to introduce a bill to re-institute the draft. every time it either never makes it to the floor, or it's brushed aside fairly quickly if it does.

you can turn off the drama alert now.

A Republican U.S. senator is calling for a return of the military draft so the cost of the Iraq operation could be borne by people of all economic strata.

Source

This was after Charlie Rangel and John Conyers, both Democrats, came out for a draft, apparently under the assumption that if the kids of rich congresspersons and senators had to serve, Congress would vote against any war...

Source

Nothing in gubernment is ever as it seems. Both use different excuses to appease their supporters, but the agenda stays the same.

Who do you trust?

The draft, at least in it's present form won't be happening anytime soon.

Global politics being what they are, politicians for the most part will not want to expose their children and grand-children to a foreign conflict that does not DIRECTLY threaten the U.S.

I have to agree with Absolute though, imagine that ('')
I firmly believe in a National service policy...it can be defered for college, as it always has been, but in my opinion grades would have to be kept up...
To appreciate and understand the past sacrifices of others as well as what it means to be a contributing member of our society, a 2 year commitment seems a small price to pay for the liberties we enjoy.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by deadbang]

Rangel has been spouting that nonsense for years. That has absolutely no chance of passing.

Unless we end up enRangled with Iran, Korea, and Iraq, all at the same time, and that's a possibility.

Originally posted by snafu7700
last time it was a republican congressman who wanted to do this.

I don't think so. I think it was Rangel then, too.
October, 2003

Introduced on 01-07-2003, H.R. 163, and S. 89 in the House and Senate, respectively, both call for the return of mandatory civil service, and it's much broader than what we've had in the past. H.R. 163 was written by Rep Rangel (D-NY) and co-sponsored by 14 other democrats. S. 89 was written by Sen. Hollings (D-SC) and this bill is almost entirely identical to the House version.
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ANOK is right. The only reason Rangel is doing this is to make it painfully clear that Republicans in Congress aren't willing to put their children where their mouth is. And by the way? If we're going to continue in Iraq, move to Iran and maybe NK, we're going to need a draft. That's the point he's trying to make. He's against the war, but saying that if we continue on this path, we're going to need a LOT more servicemen, because a LOT more of them are going to die. And it's about time the rich people start taking chances of having their kids in this war.

It's a bluff, in a way.

Related to this thread, another liberal cried wolf at a world that never materialized:

According to a poll released this fall by Harvard's Kennedy School, 61 percent of college students -- about 10 percent more than the general public -- approve of President Bush's job performance. [Harvard.edu] The percentage hadn't budged since April, 2003, when a similar poll was conducted.

These numbers show that despite stereotypes of young, liberal Democrats running college campuses, most college students are, in fact, the president's staunchest supporters.

But that support is likely to drop faster than a "smart" bomb if Bush brings back the draft -- and bring back the draft he will.
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So don't think that these guys are going to have any compunction about drafting college students as cannon fodder.

www.buzzflash.com...

That poll was taken in the fall of 2003.

As for Rangel's claims, does anyone have any stats on the political makeup of the parents of the military? I'd like to see something more than just a claim that "It is an avenue out of poverty, therefore it must be true."

Well, here's the latest for a Democrat push for a draft.

www.southcoasttoday.com...

I hope this passes ASAP.

All those Democrat voting pansies will be heading for the Great White North or learning what the meaning of national service really is.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2006/11/20 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by snafu7700
last time it was a republican congressman who wanted to do this.

I don't think so. I think it was Rangel then, too.
October, 2003

you seem to have this recurring problem of not reading all the posts before you chime in. this is from anok's post:

Originally posted by ANOK

A Republican U.S. senator is calling for a return of the military draft so the cost of the Iraq operation could be borne by people of all economic strata.

Source

that was in 2004, which, like i said was the last time it happened.

or were you intentionally ignoring the first source to fit your political agenda:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The only reason Rangel is doing this is to make it painfully clear that Republicans in Congress aren't willing to put their children where their mouth is.

"republicans aren't willing to put their children where their mouth is", and yet politicians from both parties have put this legislation forward.



[edit on 20-11-2006 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by snafu7700
you seem to have this recurring problem of not reading all the posts before you chime in.

No, I don't have a recurring problem. Notice I said "I don't THINK so. I THINK it was Rengal...", because I wasn't sure. I just made a mistake. It does happen occasionally.

Originally posted by snafu7700
"republicans aren't willing to put their children where their mouth is", and yet politicians from both parties have put this legislation forward.

....and neither side is anxious to sacrifice their sons. Understandable.

In 2003, Rangel proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. It was defeated 402-2 the following year.

www.foxnews.com...

Um, this title is misleading, isn't that a warning? One guy, it should say

Rangel Wants the Draft Reinstated To Keep the Republicans From Invading More Countries

That would be an accurate title. In fact, that's what I'm going to do right now.

Anyways, great idea. Although they would find a way around it, like Cheney did. WHen the draft started College kept you safe, he went back after dropping out years before. Then they said you had to be married and a couple months later he was. Then they said your wife had to be pregnant/have kids and what do you know? She gets knocked up almost immediately. Bush? "Daddy, I do to much coke, use your power to get me in the Air Guard, then I won't show up." At least people like CLinton who dodged the draft oppose war. It's funny to see on TV these people who never served because Daddy was rich and that made them exempt from the Draft on TV going on about how we need to invade more countries and start more wars.

Is this how the Republicans plan to win the next election? You start more wars, then since the poor, mostly democrats, make up the army you get rid of thousands of people who'd vote against you! Clever Republicans, more proof Bush's "I is illiteratical" is just an act.

My Topic

[edit on 20-11-2006 by HoorahUSMC]

Why is this title misleading?

Lets look at it again.

Democrats control Congress....Totally true.

and they want the Draft...Rangel is a Democrat, and he is sponsoring the Bill. The last time this was voted on it was defeated 402-2. The only two representatives to vote for it was Democrats. This is also a true statement.

HoorahUSMC states that Rangel wants the Draft reinstated to keep Republicans from invading more countries. Well that is a Clintonian statement if I ever heard one. His real goal is to weaken the military. Which is what a Draft would do.

HoorahUSMC,

YOu went to public school right?? Television education.

Originally posted by HoorahUSMC

Is this how the Republicans plan to win the next election? You start more wars, then since the poor, mostly democrats, make up the army you get rid of thousands of people who'd vote against you! Clever Republicans, more proof Bush's "I is illiteratical" is just an act.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by HoorahUSMC]

As I recall in the 2004 election the democratic contender wanted the absentee ballots not counted from the military because of the abscence of postage stamps.
This certainly had to be because the military has mostly Democratic Supporters and not Republican. Once they knew the vote count was going to be close they chose any strategy to get rid of opposing votes and allow pro votes. This became obvious. So obvious it could not be hidden anymore except by a willing media actively shilling for thier respective partys.

THe Draft will be coming back ..count on it...Republicans and Democrats. This war has not arrived as of yet..no matter what the media says...but it is coming. Buckle up.
Also yes...some of the posters are correct. Most politicians will take steps to make sure their children are not drafted or are in jobs in the military where they remain at home...or out of harms way. This occured in previous conflicts and it will happen again.

By the way..in the spirit of equality...will they be drafting women this time??
YOu know...certain political partys like things fair and equal!! I will be watching this closely.

Thanks,
Orangetom