Putin does it again!!! (poisoned spy), page 6

posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by behindthescenes
Holy cow! Could Scaramanga's gold bullet -- as one poster so eloquently put it -- have been obtained from America?!

It's theoretically possible, but I seriously doubt it. It can be obtained from the DOE, but I'm sure only by entities that have a legitimate use for it and proper security and accounting methods.

I'm sure every microgram used in the U.S. is always triple logged and accounted for.

ThePieMaN

posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 10:55 PM

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Wouldn't this Polonium have a unique signature linking it back to its origins? Is Polonium a naturally occuring thing, a Byproduct of something or is it manufactured ?

Pie

Hellmutt

posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 11:45 PM

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Berezovsky himself was apparently driving Litvinenko to the hospital in his own car

and he has also been checked for radiation! The italian who met with Litvinenko in the sushi bar is an expert on nuclear materials!

This Is London: Exclusive: Sushi bar man is nuclear waste expert

25.11.06

The last person to meet Alexander Litvinenko before he succumbed to the agonising effects of radioactive poisoning is a self-professed expert in nuclear materials.

International 'security consultant' Mario Scaramella, who joined Litvinenko for the now infamous clandestine meeting in a London sushi bar, headed an organisation which tracked dumped nuclear waste, including Soviet nuclear missiles left over from the Cold War.

Sources revealed last night that renegade Russian billionaire Boris Berezovsky had also been checked for radiation. His car, in which he ferried the stricken Litvinenko to hospital, was also tested. It was further disclosed that the tycoon has been interviewed twice by police investigating Litvinenko's death, but not as a suspect.

Prof Scaramella explained that he had been approached by the commission because his career had given him a passing connection to Russia. "My work involved a lot of Soviet issues - the dumping of radioactive waste, which can be detected from space, and the loss of nuclear devices,' he said. "I said to them, "I am not an expert on security services, only nuclear waste."

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"the loss of nuclear devices"...

S1LV3R4D0

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:14 AM

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Wow Hellmutt, nice find. This whole scenario just keeps gettin weirder by the day. The guy driving him to the hospital is a nuclear expert. And they guy dies from nuclear radiation poisoning. Did anyone see the molecular structure of polonium210? This whole scenario is just plain weeeiiiiirrrd.

Hellmutt

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0

The guy driving him to the hospital is a nuclear expert.

Nope, the guy driving him to the hospital was Berezovsky. The italian from the sushi bar is a nuclear expert.

S1LV3R4D0

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:21 AM

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Ahhhh thanx for correcting me on that. Ok now that makes a little more sense. But still this whole thing just doesnt sit right with me. Something is fishy in denmark as the old saying goes.

WyrdeOne

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:21 AM

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Did anyone see the molecular structure of polonium210?

Bullseye.

I have to agree with earlier statements on this thread - you don't go to this much trouble to kill someone without a damn good reason. If you just want a guy dead, there are a thousand cheaper, easier, more fool-proof methods.

The statement is what's important here, logically, that has to be the case.

Russia is the easy suspect, but I'm inclined to skepticism. If the media is jumping up and down and pointing in one direction, it's a fair bet there's something in the opposite direction that we're not supposed to see.

djohnsto77

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by WyrdeOne

Did anyone see the molecular structure of polonium210?

Bullseye.

What molecular structure?

It's a metallic element.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne

I have to agree with earlier statements on this thread - you don't go to this much trouble to kill someone without a damn good reason. If you just want a guy dead, there are a thousand cheaper, easier, more fool-proof methods.

Pretty much everything we know is that whomever did this wanted it to be a slow, painful, and very public death.

If Russia did it, it was probably a warning to any other defectors who would double cross them.

The conspiracy angle is someone did to frame Russia. I guess almost any country with a nuclear program could do it, or some other group that was able to get ahold of the material. But these are pretty far out there, I think Occam's Razor makes it almost certain that Russia carried this out.

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Hellmutt

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:34 AM

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edit on Sat 23 Mar 2013 by Hellmutt because: (no reason given)

WyrdeOne

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:36 AM

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dj, I believe the member was talking about this (correct me if I'm wrong) -

djohnsto77

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
dj, I believe the member was talking about this (correct me if I'm wrong) -

That looks like the nucleus and electron shell diagram of one atom of Polonium.

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WyrdeOne

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:46 AM

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Yeah, that and a targetting reticle.

At least, that's what I saw - a big freakin' bullseye (hence my earlier comment).

In other words, not molecular structure, atomic structure. That's what I think S1LV3R4D0 meant.

I dunno though, this is just me talking.

(Edit: I can never remember how to spell your name S1LV3R4D0, but I couldn't keep calling you 'the member' - it just sounded so wrong!)

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djohnsto77

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Yeah, that and a targetting reticle.

At least, that's what I saw - a big freakin' bullseye (hence my earlier comment).

Ok, now I get the joke

djohnsto77

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Hellmutt
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Even if Mogilevich had access to nuclear waste from a heavy water plant, I doubt his organization could have extracted pure polonium out of it. Only an estimated 100g of this element is produced worldwide per year in all nuclear power plants, so it's very rare, even in nuclear waste.

I think he would have needed major help and very expensive equipment from a nation-state experienced working with this to pull it off. If he had anything to do with it, the material almost had to be given to him as is by Putin with orders to use it to kill Litvinenko, so the finger still ultimately gets pointed back to him.

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seattlelaw

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 01:22 AM

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Depleted Uranium would do the trick. The stuff used here was much more radioactive. Putin's a cold hearted bastard just like all the rest of the world leaders. Where's the surprise? The guy calls him out and Putin sends out the order. The message is 'go ahead and prove we did it' and you can't prove it any more than you can prove 911 was an inside job. Despite all the evidence. We're all just little pawns in the game and his time was up. Funny thing is that Putin's time will be up too. We all go down the same road. The greed and the willingness to murder to ensure complicity, silence, adherence, power is disgusting.

How frail the human ego.

What cowardice.

Hellmutt

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 05:22 PM

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An interesting article by Alexander Litvinenko.

Why I believe Putin wanted me dead...

I would like to see what will happen to the newspaper that prints this story.

Outrageo

posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 06:30 PM

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Putin's hatchetmen did this, no question about it. And it wasn't very clean for a reason: to send a strong message to any other anti-Putin or ex-KGB that they can easily meet the same wretched fate if they stray too far out of line. Once in the party - always in the party/ Don't think for a second Putin's boys couldn't have done this a bit neater and quiter if they wanted. There was lots of methodological forethought brought to bear on this case.

It an't over yet. Not by a long shot. Putin's got plans - big plans... This was nothing - and he knows a little PR tarnish is infinitesimal compared to the political gains his directives have achieved.

Poison is messy. Obnoxious. Radioactive poison is an harbinger. Purposeful.

Stay tuned - the man is just warming up...

djohnsto77

posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 11:08 AM

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More locations have been found tainted with radioactive polonium plus three people are being examined after showing some symptoms of exposure:

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LONDON — Traces of radiation have been found at two new locations in London after the investigation widened over the poisoning death of a former Russian spy, Sky News reported Monday.

Traces of radiation had already been found at the Millennium Hotel, a branch of the Itsu sushi restaurant and the house of Alexander Litvinenko, who died Thursday of polonium-210 poisoning. Two new locations — an office block in London's west end and another address in the neighborhood of Mayfair — also showed signs of radioactivity, Sky said, quoting unnamed sources. Police would not immediately confirm the report.

Health officials said Monday that three of 18 people who said they came into contact with Litvinenko or sites where traces of radiation were detected had been referred to a special clinic for radiological.

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Aimless Searcher

posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 02:38 PM

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I wonder how the British will view this, if indeed it points back to Putin (I'm still quite skeptical of this whole thing being Russian action...).

If, say, a British citizen dies unconnected to this spy-ring or former-agent ring (or circle of friends, could this be considered an act of war? Could this be seen as something bigger than simply an assassination of a former KGB agent, and be a problem for the Brits and Russian relations?

Not sure about that, and as I said, I'm still very skeptical that something this "messy" would be done on foreign soil by a superpower government. They tend to be a tad more clean - even when "sending a message".

Regards-
Aimless

stumason

posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 02:55 PM

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If this does claim someone else, I doubt lapdog will do anything about it.

If it was Maggie in charge, she would give them such a roasting, but can you imagine Tony "please let me kiss your bum" Blair being angry at any world leader?

He'll just spin and spin and spin until it goes away.