UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID W/Video

Originally posted by gekko

Originally posted by Yetichihe was a threat the second he starts screaming and babbling his stupid agenda. he got the EXACT response he had premeditated and now he is basking in glory.

Right on dude, his words were a threat. And for shouting his dissent he needed to be taken down. Hard!

So hard as to discourage him from voicing his opinion in the face of authority ever again?

Yetichi, I think I know which side you are on.

[edit on 17/11/06 by gekko]

let's cry and whine every time someone jumps a fence at the whitehouse and gets taken down hard. WAIT! they have the right to voice their opinion too!!!! i'm so off base!

Wow I just watched the video and I'm still shaking.
Fear was instilled in that entire crowd. It would of only taken a couple of students to rush the police and then mob mentality would of followed.
But no. Everyone was afraid they would be next.

Some of you who are crying NAZI and getting emotional are not reading all the facts. The guy REFUSED TO LEAVE BEFORE THE COPS SHOWED UP!

A library worker told him to leave and he wouldn't...THEN THE COPS WERE CALLED in to remove him. Stop going off just the video and assuming the cops showed up, saw a middle eastern looking guy, and said "let's see an ID".

Now what the cops did afterwards was just plain WRONG. Sure the guy was being a jerk and figuring he could break the rules and then get mouthy...but you DON'T taser someone repeatedly to make them move. You handcuff or hog tie them if you have to...call for backup even...and carry the guy out to the car. Even then you have to make sure the guy isn't a diabetic, mentally unstable, or have some other medical condition.

According to justgeneric's link: UCLA Library Incident

I have a feeling that UCLA will be the one paying up on this one. If the cops were following a procedure (whatever "drive stun" is about) and shown to be not doing things outside of the training or the statements in the procedure, then they'll get off with a hand slap. Which in a way is crap because the money will come right out of the pockets of the students of UCLA.

This is pissing u guys off!!?? Then you should see what the cops in India are like.

Originally posted by half_minded
This is pissing u guys off!!?? Then you should see what the cops in India are like.

I believe that is the point. We in America don't want our police acting like they do in India or Turkey or Russia ect. We want our police to act like the police of the U.S.A. and not a Gestapo (sp?).

Originally posted by Masisoar
I don't think you understand what my whole post was constituting, because you seem to firmly believe that the tazer was obviously.. easily justified.

Next time I see you lie, sin, or speed, I'm going to tazer you. It's as ridiculous like that. If he was a criminal and was clearly a threat to the area, as I said, then it
couldof been justified.

Edit: The justification for using it several times after isn't all to there. That's fairly dangerous for any individual..

[edit on 11/17/2006 by Masisoar]

None of us know the whole story. From what I've read from links posted here is that he was also trying to disturb the peace by inciting the rest of the students in his little pathetic "rebellion". The Police also have a job of maintaining the peace, and in my opinion they did just that. This was a set up, this guy wanted this to happen and the police played into it, simple. Hope he got what he wanted.

Here is a copy of the police report:

www.ucpd.ucla.edu...

Date: November 15, 2006
Re: Powell Library Incident

At approximately 11 p.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 14, a community service officer (CSO) employed by the library was performing a nightly, routine check to insure that all patrons using the library after 11 p.m. are authorized. This is a longstanding library policy to ensure the safety of students during the late night hours. The CSO made an announcement that he would be checking for university identification. When a person, who was later identified as Mostafa Tabatabainejad, refused to provide any identification, the CSO told him that if he refused to do so, he would have to leave the library. Since, after repeated requests, he would neither leave nor show identification, the CSO notified UCPD officers, who responded and asked Tabatabainejad to leave the premises multiple times. He continued to refuse. As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.

Tabatabainejab encouraged library patrons to join his resistance. A crowd gathering around the officers and Tabatebainejad's continued resistance made it urgent to remove Tabatabainejad from the area. The officers deemed it necessary to use the Taser in a "drive stun" capacity.

A Taser is used to momentarily incapacitate subjects who are resistant by discharging an electronic current into the subject in one of two methods: via two wired probes that are deployed from the Taser, or in a "drive stun" capacity by touching the subject with the Taser. In this incident, the student was not shot with a Taser; rather officers used the "drive stun" capability.

All use of force incidents require an administrative review, which is currently underway.

Tabatabainejad was subsequently arrested for resisting/obstructing a police officer, 148(A)(1) of the Penal Code. He was released with a citation and issued a court date. The entire incident is under investigation and a case will be presented to the City Attorney.

Originally posted by Yetichi let's cry and whine every time someone jumps a fence at the whitehouse[...]

Jumping White-house fences? WTF?

I can however understand your choice to avoid the discussion of the topic at hand.

All I can do is to quote you again:

Originally posted by Yetichihe was a threat the second he starts screaming and babbling his stupid agenda.

Speaks for it self really.

Good find zerotime.

The report says what you would expect the cops to write. Threat ... yada yada ... extremely urgent to ... yada yada ...

We have all seen the video. The crowd only got angry after the cops had tormented the kid for a while, and after telling students asking for badge numbers they would get tasered to if they didn't back off.

That UCLA press release was posted last night. by me..

It's a new crowd in here, so, I ask..do any of you know what happened BEFORE the video commenced?

Originally posted by ludaChris
None of us know the whole story. From what I've read from links posted here is that he was also trying to disturb the peace by inciting the rest of the students in his little pathetic "rebellion". The Police also have a job of maintaining the peace, and in my opinion they did just that. This was a set up, this guy wanted this to happen and the police played into it, simple. Hope he got what he wanted.

Just "rationalize" it by some mythical hostile intent by the victim; preferably through some conspiracy like twisted form, the bigger the myth the better it is - the Nazis did that too.

I saw three security guards tasing a handcuffed man who was pissed (according to witness accounts he was already on his way out) and who's only mistake was that he wasn't able to show an ID card. Surely, three security guards couldn't drag a handcuffed man but had to resort in tasing the man at least 4-5 times.


Paranoid Duck

Originally posted by Paranoid Duck


I saw three security guards tasing a handcuffed man who was pissed (according to witness accounts he was already on his way out) and who's only mistake was that he wasn't able to show an ID card. Surely, three security guards couldn't drag a handcuffed man but had to resort in tasing the man at least 4-5 times.


Paranoid Duck

Exactly what I'm trying to point out. Obviously he feels it's all justified because he was a threat to the library!

Originally posted by spacedoubt
That UCLA press release was posted last night. by me..

It's a new crowd in here, so, I ask..do any of you know what happened BEFORE the video commenced?

According to this eyewitnes:

"the student had agreed to leave BEFORE the police arrived."

And

"It all escalated to him being tasered 5 times, for no reason while he was screaming "I have a medical condition".

I guess we just saw the happy ending...

The media is recounting so many different versions of this story, when I was talking to my mom about this last night apparently she heard on the local news here that the kid was "initiating a protest" and "inciting a riot"... gotta love the media.

Also, it's interesting that the press release goes against eye witness reports and what we see in the video but if I was in their position I'd be doing the same thing and trying to cover my ass while making this kid out to be a terrorist who was trying to burn down the building and rape white women if I was them.

I'm so happy the kid is suing, and I hope those cops do jail time.

Also, on campus today at my college so many people know about this and I told everyone who didn't. People are really angry about this. This isn't going to go by unchecked and I'm very happy about that.

Its videos like that why many of us HATE police and I personaly think a good portion of police are unfit for their job. Human tendancies especialy when you think you have power tend to make police very agressive. They take bribes, shoot unarmed people, tase students, tase 6 year olds! and a few of them do their job but not most just look at what happend in New Orleans lol! At least we arent as bad as Russian or Chinese police buy you Americans arent that far off.

Yeah, well I watched the video. Too bad we don't actually see anything, but from what I heard I'd say that, if this kid is going to push a lawsuit, then he's messed over.

What I heard was this:

"DON'T TOUCH ME!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T TOUCH ME!!!!"

*There's silence for a while, accompanied by the faint voices of the cop asking for the student to stand up*

*The cop asks about 20-35 times*

*obviously the student refuses*

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!" *And other various horrible screams accompanied by the zapping sound of a taser*

Basically, I'd say that the kid refused to leave the premesis, despite what he yells later, and is made to by the cops. It's their job to, and the kid was obviously looking to give the cops a hard time.

Better yet, after the initial shock, he still refuses to get up, though that might be because he is unable or he just doesn't want to. It could be either at this point.

This kid didn't comply to a reasonable request from a cop, so he was made to. While the 2nd taser shock might have been unnessisary, the cops might not have realised that he might have been unable to get up at the time. Of course, without a direct view, we probably won't know if the kid was still refusing to get up or if he was unable.

While I can't say I enjoy the method in which the cops used to remove the student, I can say that the student was the agressor, and that they were perfectly within their rights by tasering him.

I can say that the student was the agressor

I can't say there was no aggression on his part, but I certainly don't conclude he was aggressive in any manner, from what I heard on the video. Or read in the press release.

Whew........finally caught up with this thread.

I find the fact that they say he was trying to encourage other students to join his resistance laughable.There was hardly anyone gathering till they heard the screams.These "cops" are just trying to make him out to be more of a threat than he really was to justify their horrible actions.

I also don't understand why anyone would defend the cops,simply because "cops get crapped on all the time".Cops get crapped on,and have their authority undermined because of things like this.If anything you should be mad at THESE cops for giving all cops a bad name.Unfortunately,it seems the pack mentality of the police holds true,even on the internet.

Voidmaster, exactly what kind of aggression do you refer to, apart from the kid raising his voice?

Are you telling us that raising your voice against cops should be penalized with "on the spot taser shocks"?

I have never truly understood how people like Stalin, Mao and Hitler could get away with it, until now.

Originally posted by Voidmaster
While I can't say I enjoy the method in which the cops used to remove the student, I can say that the student was the agressor, and that they were perfectly within their rights by tasering him.

On this, we agree Voidmaster. I saw someone who was on a school campus (and refused to show student id it seems) who was being very non-compliant with the police.

He should have read this:
www.aclu.org...

But he didn't it seems since he broke all of these the ACLU says are important:
Think carefully about your words, movement, body language, and emotions.
Don't get into an argument with the police.
Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.
Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent.
Don't complain on the scene or tell the police they're wrong or that you're going to file a complaint.

And this...

Don't bad-mouth the police officer or run away, even if you believe what is happening is unreasonable. That could lead to your arrest.