God forgot one minor detail

God separated the water into levels and created the earth and heavens. Then he created life on earth and life in the heavens. The life on earth proved faulty and disobeyed God. In other words it had a mind of its own with which to explore all possibilities and learn for itself. Surely the life created in the heavens also had a mind of its own to think with. And surely not every person in heaven was a perfect robot programmed for complete obedience. Heaven is not the ultimate, it's just a place God created. As parts of God we are similar to him. Selfish and demanding, quick to wrath, unforgiving, obeying nothing but our inner sense of right. All these beings he created that f****ed up were only doing what he does. They were just like him.

Now the advanced reptilian beings that manipulated Eve are also manipulating the women of this world today. They're still here doing the same old things. Obviously God has allowed this slavery to exist, he created the same slavery in the garden of Eden. Have you ever met a reptilian? They are powerfully hypnotic and therefore Eve didn't stand a chance of escaping the reptile's will. God must have known that, and has known it ever since. My point was that God should have told the humans that they were not alone with a bunch of stupid beasts which they could rule over. God should have pointed out that there are powerful reptilian homonids which will easily manipulate Adam and Eve, and that in order to obey God's will the reptilian's will must not be obeyed.

Originally posted by binyanpiel
mOjOm, you said in part "When I read it, you are just describing the THE method of DEBATE. Two people countering each others thoughts with argument and discussion" so, obviously, you don't understand the game and/or you didn't read the entire "debate".

binyanpiel, I still don't understand what you're saying. You were complaining about the Tactics being used in the Debate. You call it a "Debate" also, and I honestly can't see any "Tactics" being used by Jez that are out of line. She seems to be arguing the opposite side of an issue with you and that's all. If you want to take offence to that go ahead but I don't see how there would be much of a debate without an opposite side to yours.

The only other option would appear to be because you are of the same ilk as Jezebel and therefore blind either willingly or unwillingly.

Niether Jezebel nor myself are blind and I would like to know just how you came to such a conclusion. Just what is it we are too blind to see anyway??
The fact that you see Jez and I to be of the same thinking and/or mentality is quite a compliment actually and I thank you for pointing that out. There are many others that would testify to the fact that Jez is very intelligent and worthy of respect, but all of those people must also be blind as well in your opinion. What is interesting to me is how it is you seem to know so much about Jez, myself, or anyone else of the assumed "same ilk" when you clearly are absorbed in your own Self-Righteous opinions and assumptions. You don't KNOW either of us at all and to think for one second that you do is ridiculous!! The only thing you can know for sure is who you are, and what you THINK you know about anyone else, especially online, is what THEY ALLOW YOU TO SEE. Since you Assume or Believe what THEY ALLOW YOU TO SEE in the first place should make you stop and wonder just who it is that is BLIND.

You said, in part, "It happens alot when people "Catagorized and Label" the neverending potential of what "IS", ummm yeah! As for your "it's all good" philosophy, it's so typical and mundanely wrong I'm not going to bother getting into it with you.

"Ummm yeah!" I'm guessing is your way of saying that you agree with me. Why then do you continue to classify me or anyone else for that matter. I never said anything about "My Philosophy"(as if I even have one simple philosophy for everything) or that "it's all good". You are assuming you know things that you do not know. I would agree with you that "it's all good" is wrong though. "Good" is in reference to it's opposite "Bad" so saying "it's ALL GOOD" just doesn't work. Also, I don't expect you to bother with me at all, you've made it clear that you detest YOUR IDEA of who I am and my opinions.

Humanistic people are usually not so concerned with the welfare of humans as they are interested in spreading their 1960"s left-over rhetoric...."bleeding hearts" that quit bleeding the first time they are exposed to thoughts outside their boxes. If they were truly all that concerned, as many of those as you are, and you should have a clue what a gang that is, living in the heartland of the liberal mass, there should be no hunger or suffering left by now.

Oh, I see. So I was supposed to be using YOUR DEFINITION for the word. You see, I was using the normal meaning of Humanistic as it is defined in the average dictionary. I didn't realize we were talking about YOUR revised version of the word. Please send me a copy of your definitions for what words really mean so I can study up. Once again I am in error because I am not seeing the world as YOU see it, nor using the terms YOU use to define things. (YOU should be seeing a pattern soon that has a lot to do with YOU and how YOU see things.)

Especially you who think God's ways are not good enough or right, and apparently even are unbalanced enough to think you could do better. GET A GRIP!

Really?? Do I think God's ways are not good enough or right?? Did I say that?? Did I say I could do better?? Did I even imply that I could somehow define God or his ways and whether or not God's ways are wrong?? Nope, I sure didn't. But YOU may have assumed such things in the same way you assume everything else that YOU THINK you know about me, other people and even my relationship with God. YOU need not bother defining ME or MY connection with GOD as niether of them seem to be understood in YOUR DEFINITION of things anyway.

Gee, mojo, you said "What are you taking to help curb your Paranoid Angry World anyway??" Now, was that rude and unnecessary, oh,no I forgot, it's only so if YOU say so? You God- haters are so blind you say your own story and ascribe it to others.

Well it was more of a joke really. If you actually are taking meds or something than I do appologize. Paranoia is defined as "Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others." With all your talk about Evil IMP's on Jezebel's Back and me being a "God-Hater" and so on it just seemed to fit. So far I'm not sure that what I said is so unbelievable either.

I pity you, mojo, and I hate to disillusion you, I really do, cuz we would all be so comfy in our errors...we could assume we are higher than the Creator, more intelligent than all those whose faith has taken them thru stuggles on earth that you and your mis-leaders have only heard of, those whose desire to be like the One they worship and adore has lead to their being crucified, put to death by sword and ax and barbarous "games". Not to mention the murderous beatings and electric proddings and mutilations going on right now in the name of "humanism". And why? because those chose to believe in the Name above all Names, Jesus Christ, the anointed One,the Son of God and to preach and pray in His Name. On the surface, it wouldn't look like something worthy of death....even the humanists who don't espouse putting Christians to death..yet, anyway, could probably agree there...but yet and still, it continues....

Well thanks but no thanks. I don't want your pity or anything else. YOU ASSUME I need YOU to pity me. I don't. Pity yourself for thinking I am in need of YOUR PITY or even need your help. The only disillusion you need worry about is your own, which may actually turn out to be the illusion you've created for yourself. You speak of God and Christ as if YOU know it all and others are lost and in need of YOUR lead. That trick has already been tried by many others before you and it's not going to work with me. I don't require YOU to be my shepard as I am not a sheep.

And that is why I detest humanism, because it isn't about humans, it's about mankind's horrid attempts to oust God from every avenue of life.
What I find truly insane is the familiarity with which ones who don't know God, don't wish to know Him, don't honor or obey Him, or read His Word, even, feel so comfortable in debasing Him, or at least attempting to. That is not only insane, it is evil! You wouldn't say to the President of a country, not ours, of course, it seems you would feel free to say just about anything to ours, because of lack of any kind of respect for the office or the country, but I'm talking about another country now, one of the current "poor little countries" being overrun by the big bad USA, which one is it this week? I can't keep up. Anyway, humanists, I'm trying not to get personal here, humanists, seem to feel so free to badmouth Christianity, God, and Christians, making statements that show the ignorance in which they are operating, and ruffling up their feathers against whatever might seem to disagree with that precious world view that lets them totally ignore the fact that this earth came from somewhere, we came from somewhere, the earth is in the exact shape, distance from the sun, has enough air, food, water and all other necessities needed for life and rather than give glory to the One Who made it all possible and finding out what He is about and what we are to Him, cluck to each other a lot of nonsense about why was it done this way and not that, and PROVEit to me, and other nonsense that only shows that the crybaby doesn't want to "hold God in their consciousness". Doesn't want to deal with the fact of the thing...that we are not God and never will be, and that if we are really as intelligent as all that we need to be seeking Him out before it is too late and we end up with the rebellious angels in their hell.

Again you think you know about Me and my connection with God. Plus you've now added in that I'm in favor of the U.S. Government Killing people all over the world. You've also classified me as going to Hell along with rebelious angels. YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT ME YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS, PRESUMPTUOUS, FOOL!! Label me as Humanist, Anti-Christ, Godless, Dark Angel, Left-wing, Right-wing, Patriot, Republican or Democrat, or whatever makes you feel in control, because it only matters to YOU anyway. YOUR Definitions and Labels are not real to anyone but YOU regardless of how many times you say them. (by now YOU should certainly see the POINT behind all of this. There is a Cycle that has a lot to do with YOU and YOUR VERSION of Reality in which YOU & YOUR THOUGHTS have become a SLAVE!)

You implied that my using partial verses was so I could use a "partial" meaning as evidence...what's your evidence? Tje verse I quoted says exactly what I quoted, and I only left off the first part because I didn't want Jezebel to get the idea I was assuming judgment of her cuz that is a pretty strong verse, but thank you for the correction, I"ll not be so "soft"again. And by the way, I am a saint. Not one marked out as such by the Catholic Church if that is your meaning, but exactly one as the Bible calls us saints...maybe you could stand to read a bit more of the Bible? Oh, no I forgot, you have THE TRUTH, uh huh, right?

Ok, so now you're a Saint huh?!?! That's wonderful to hear your saintliness, have fun and keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times until the ride comes to a complete stop! Believe me, I would never in a million years think of Using The Catholic Church or it's thinking as a source of validation for anything. Finally, don't worry about whether or not I read the bible and don't assume to know my idea of Truth either. Reading the bible obviously hasn't made you any more compassionate or understanding toward others anyway. Believe it or not I read many books, including the bible, and Truth can be found with them or without them. If you look for truth in a book, you're cheating and using someone else's answers as your own, or worse, you don't want to struggle to come up with your own answers.

my, my, my....are we upset?

I think all people want to believe in a God, and before they follow a scripture it has to make sense to them. It doesn't make sense for God to set Adam and Eve up like that. They seemed so innocent and vulnerable, like children I guess. Personally, if the scripture is correct, I hold God fully responsible for Adam's and Eve's downfall. However I think the scripture is faulty and can not be taken seriously. I believe in God, but not in the Bible literally.

You shouldn't take the story literally. The meaning of the Bible story is that as long as humans did not know good from bad, i.e. acting as animals, they were in 'heaven', i.e. always happy. From the moment humans got to know what is good and what is bad, i.e. the got conscience, they chose to do the bad thing, and their innocence was lost.