If you are in PETA you could soon be considered a terrorist

Originally posted by pavil
Um no offense, but murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by another human being. Killing an animal, even cruelly, is not considered murder in a court of law. Now you probably think I'm a jerk.

I don't think you're a jerk but i wasn't talking about a law point of view here i was talking about a conscience point of view, law had nothing to do with my statement.

It seems that some people don't know what peta is.. im not a member of peta but from what i understand they are an organization that promotes information on how to live with out having to harm animals.

Now if a person who wants to stop animal cruelty take action and do criminal acts, just because they are members of peta does not mean it's an act of peta the organization.

If a religious person does something crazy for the sake of his religion doesn't mean that everyone who's in a religion will do the same, this is the same concept for peta.



Here look at their site, nothing of bad intentions on there...


www.peta.com...



Blame the individual not the organization.

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Originally posted by selfless
It seems that some people don't know what peta is.. im not a member of peta but from what i understand they are an organization that promotes information on how to live with out having to harm animals.

This is true, but some of PETAs members occaisonally resort to theft, property damage, and assault to draw attention to their cause. This is not acceptable.

Now if a person who wants to stop animal cruelty take action and do criminal acts, just because they are members of peta does not mean it's an act of peta the organization.

Correct. In my opinion PETA has some good intentions, some crazy also, however the law in question is designed to punish individuals, not to name PETA a terror organization and by extension any member a terrorist.

Here are some good reasons to become veg.



www.goveg.com...

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
No, don't bother reading any facts for yourself. Just keep making a fool of yourself with broad and clumsy statements such as 'science has proven using them is right'.

You mean facts like these

The Foundation For Biomedical Research, a pro-testing group, writes, "Animal research has played a vital role in virtually every major medical advance of the last century," [9] Many major developments that led to Nobel Prizes involved animal research, including the development of penicillin (mice), organ transplant (dogs), and work on poliomyelitis that led to a vaccine (mice, monkeys). [10][11][12]

That I agree with for sure.

But when it comes to staatements like this

opponents of animal testing want to reduce or abolish the practice, variously stating that it is scientifically unnecessary, that the costs outweigh the benefits, or that animals have an intrinsic right not to be used for experimentation. [13][14]
en.wikipedia.org...

I totally disagree that the costs outweigh the benefits.

Modern medicine has saved millions of lives just with pencillian and poliomyelitis a lone and you say I am ignorant because I agree with scientific fact??? Gees give me a break.

Originally posted by selfless
Here look at their site, nothing of bad intentions on there...
www.peta.com...
Blame the individual not the organization.

No blame the organization when they put out tripe like this.

Milk Kills

That link was on the page you directed the first URL to and one that I disagree with. Just more proof what wackos PETA followers are.

Pavil i am the Author of the peta thingie... the TWO laws i correlated are the Military Commisions act of 2006

thomas.loc.gov...:3:./temp/~c109eTlCKL
and here is my post on the military commisions act
www.abovetopsecret.com...

if you are a "terrorist" you can then be deemed an enemy combatant under the Military Commisions act
by either the Sec def or the President



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Originally posted by Elsenorpompom
Pavil i am the Author of the peta thingie... the TWO laws i correlated are the Military Commisions act of 2006

thomas.loc.gov...:3:./temp/~c109eTlCKL::
and here is my post on the military commisions act
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

if you are a "terrorist" you can then be deemed an enemy combatant under the Military Commisions act
by either the Sec def or the President

Elsenorpompom, The Military Commissions Act applies to Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatants.

Labeling a person as a terrorist does not make them an Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatant. The act clearly defines an Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatant. PETA protesters, Abortion protesters, Tax, Protesters, etc. are not subject to the Military Commisions act unlues they are Aliens, and "not members of an established state sponsored military organization" and commit terrorist acts against the US or it's interests.

Originally posted by shots
Milk Kills

That link was on the page you directed the first URL to and one that I disagree with. Just more proof what wackos PETA followers are.

What? because they show the truth about milk?

Just because they give a link to a site that tells the truth about milk doesn't mean that they are doing criminal acts, like i said they are there to inform wether you take the information or not.

i really don't see your point?

Ok so i am a wacko for not murdering and eating living creatures, sorry that logic would only make sense to me if i was a mindless robot.


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yes but you can have your citizenship stripped from you if you are demmed a domestic terrorist

Originally posted by Elsenorpompom
yes but you can have your citizenship stripped from you if you are demmed a domestic terrorist

Only if you are a naturalized citizen, in which case, there are many ways to have your citizenship revoked.

If you are a US born citizen you can never have your citizenship revoked.

I have been in the pharmaceutical business for some time now. I work in multiple animal research labs. I choose what I do because I love animals and I wanted to make a difference in this world. In this day of age you can't even look at a animal without a committee reviewing what harm will come to animal simply by looking at it. Animal use is strictly regulated. Not only at the local level but also at the federal level. These animals are breed for one purpose only. Its not like we go down to the local animal shelter pickup the left overs.

I have sent a letter to my local reprensentative for the hope that they will support the AETA legislation. These people are terrorists. There is no difference between terrorist blowing up a building because they hate america or for blowing one up because they want to save animals.

@ testrat
Couldn't have been stated better.

There is one major difference though. The eco or animal rights "terrorist" will recieve justice under the US civil legal system. The America hater will be tried by Military Commission if they are not a US citizen and deemed an Unlawful Enemy Combatant.


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I do consider myself a conservationist, because I give monthly donations to wildlife organizations although I've never given any money to PETA. PETA has overtime turned into some radical organization that is -out of touch- with the majority of people. They use celebrities to entice the public yet they bad-mouth individuals like Steve Irwin. Now I understand that some of the issues they point out are disturbing. However, if they really wanted to promote their message they wouldn't have to rely on any criminal actions.

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Originally posted by darkbluesky
Labeling a person as a terrorist does not make them an Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatant. The act clearly defines an Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatant. PETA protesters, Abortion protesters, Tax, Protesters, etc. are not subject to the Military Commisions act unlues they are Aliens, and "not members of an established state sponsored military organization" and commit terrorist acts against the US or it's interests.

You are correct DBS, a national of the United States will not be tried under the Military Commissions Act. The terrorism word in the animal enterprise act is probably a bad choice of word given the current terrorism that is out in the world but if the shoe fits...... Some PETA members and other animal activists do practice a form of terrorism against certain segments of society. Not blow youself up in a crowd type terrorism, but a form of terrorism nonetheless. Not all or even most members of PETA do but those extremists that do acts of terrorism deserve to be punished for them, do you not agree?

@ pavil

I agree completely. I've just been trying to ratchet down the hysteria that has led many to believe that if they join PETA or donte money to PETA they will be taken from their homes in the middle of the night to be tortured and never heard from again.


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Originally posted by selfless
What? because they show the truth about milk?

I do not see it is truth, it is more like a distorting the facts to fit their vegan agenda.

Just because they give a link to a site that tells the truth about milk doesn't mean that they are doing criminal acts, like i said they are there to inform wether you take the information or not.

You might want to look up who paid the legal fees for ELF/ALF, Rodney Coronado, then get back to me on that one.

i really don't see your point?

Of course you wouldn't you have been brainwashed by individials like Ingird that make foolish statements like this

"Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it" — PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk, in the September 1989 issue of Vogue


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Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
No, don't bother reading any facts for yourself. Just keep making a fool of yourself with broad and clumsy statements such as 'science has proven using them is right'.

You mean facts like these

...etc

Thank you for finally bothering to read up a bit about what you're ranting about.
* You failed to distinguish the difference between medical testing, cosmetics testing, and military testing,
* Particularly nasty tests such as draize test are often repeated unnecessarily.
* Not all animal testing is for medicines, and not all testing for medicines is effective either.
* Using modern modeling techniques a lot of animal tests are unnecessary.
* A lot of animal testing is conducted in facilities that do not represent shining examples of humanity.
* Stem cell research is a much better proposition for curing human disease than animal testing.

So, welcome to the maze of ethics that only organisations such as Peta & ALF are brave enough to investigate & make a stand on. I suggest you're out of your depth when you resort to make sweeping statements like 'Science says it's right'.

Testrat, I'd be interested for you to list what animals you use in the labs, and what exactly is done to them, for what purposes, and what results have been achieved. Thanks.

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
So, welcome to the maze of ethics that only organisations such as Peta & ALF are brave enough to investigate & make a stand on. I suggest you're out of your depth when you resort to make sweeping statements like 'Science says it's right'.

Brave Enough???? You have got to be kidding, they are the stupidist groups on the face of the earth using lies and terrorism is not the way to get a point across and you should know that.

And I would suggest it is you that is out of depth for not understanding how many lives animal testing has saved. That is a scientific fact that you can take to the bank, so how you get off calling it wrong is beyond me simply because PETA also kills animals.

They do in fact operate kills shelters and have killed over 10,000 healthy house pets. They are against animals as pets.

They support violence if it is for achieving their goal. They use their collected money to pay legal fees for members charged with felonies.

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has said that “even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it.”

Urban dictionary PETA

Read all of them and you will find the majority are against PETA unlike you who fell for their hogwash and lies. Here have some you will need it for your vitamin B12

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Originally posted by darkbluesky
Anyone who damages property, uses physical violence, or employs personal threats, in order to damage or disrupt a legal business will be charged and punished accordingly.

My friend I know about business, my family was in business, I have a business degree and I've been in business... I understand the concepts.

But business breaks the law too and they don't always play fair.

Also the people at the top of the corporate world make too much money and that is a crime in my opinion.



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