The Lawless One Revealed

Originally posted by Waiting2awake

- Really? How so? Peace, kindness, do no harm. Respect all living things. I am not saying I know for certain, but I am not aware of any place that Buddhism does not line up with the gnosis or logos of the Christ. Where are the differences that you see?

Buddhism does teach all of those things. But where or better yet *who* becomes your god? You do. Buddhism teaches that you are ultimately your own god. That pretty much removes Commandment number 1.

One doesn't put a torch under the bed, he puts it upon the wall to the light path of everyone.

I'm giving you the torch. Where you choose to place it isn't up to me. If it were you would understand me. I WANT you to understand me. I can only suggest that you keep your torch lit and that means having plenty of oil. No disrespect taken and thank you for that.

- And you can not be going east, when you are walking west.

That is your choice! Again I'll refer you to the lamp (torch) Keep plenty of oil for it. Seek the Truth. If I've atleast made you question some things then you are well on your way to finding the Truth.

Tell me how to seek the Holy Spirit.

Listen to His voice. Seek Him with a pure heart. By that I don't mean you, yourself must be pure. I'm a sinner but I sought Him, earnestly. I think I even begged and pleaded for Him to help me understand. If I've atleast guided you with enough information that you question and test the spirits, you are well on your way to knowing the Holy Spirit. If you're anything like me, you question everything and you want answers to your questions. So seek them! He is pouring out His Spirit.

Anyway, thanks for starting this thread, and I hope to see you again. Besides, you still owe me on that trinity thing

Thank you for reading and responding! It was here (this website) that I myself questioned some things written and sought Him. Therefore, I almost feel that because of this, I must give what I've learned in return. I understand a lot has been placed on my lap per say, and I'm still not fully understanding what I'm suppose to do. All I know is that I was deceived just as many others have been, and I'm not anyone special or amazing, yet He gave me knowledge of Spirit, His Spirit. (I haven't forgotten about the trinity) It may take me a day or day but I'll give you what comes and maybe we can help one another understand.

This is starting to sound as if you are starting your own Religion (Denomination)? Do you fancy yourself a prophet or a teacher? Do you believe you are in possession of knowledge no one else has? Just trying to understand the motive.

It also sounds like things I've heard from Charismatics and Pentecostals during my journey through many Christian Denominations. I wrote them off the list due to their insistence that only they knew the truth and their constant spewing of hatred towards other Christians. It seemed all they ever talked about is how screwed up everyone else was. It did not help when a Pastor who claimed to be speaking in tongues, who was singing in Hebrew, forgot to take his degree in that language off his wall.

Originally posted by InDirectViolation

Originally posted by HarpStrings
And there will be a lot of that feeling. I'm not stating my Messiah is better. I'm stating that most people are foolishly following the false Messiah, who teaches a false doctrine to false prophets. Let me put it to you this way, if His name is not Yeshua (with many spellings) then he is not the Son of Man. If whatever is being taught in His name, doesn't line up with His teachings then it isn't Him.

Denominationalism is the “disease” of the Body that is to be healed in the final hours. Most of this worlds believers are being mistaken for homeless people or are outcasts among most Christians.

There are only two laws. Love God and Love your Fellow Man and you can commit no sin.

“The truth is so simple even a child could understand”. If it seems complex it is not truth.

Passing judgement on others including a Pastor or Priest is in and of itself a sinful act. Faith is a very individual thing and it should surprise no one that each of us practices it in a unique way. We were given self-determination as a gift to be cherished.

I clearly remember this conversation being repeated over and over again when I was still among those with new hearts. Your journey is not unique. Getting caught up in the details like how to properly pronounce a word will only lead you to wrongly judge others and turn your thoughts away from the larger truths. Words do not matter. It is the meaning behind the words we speak for which we will be judged.

When we arrive at our final destinations, many will be surprised to see members of all faiths in the Body. Many will be embarrassed by it as well. Denominationalism is indeed a tool of the deceiver.

You are taking the role of teacher. That is an awesome responsibility to bear. Be wise in how you use this tool. Like all tools, it has the power to create or to destroy.

I wanted to thank you. I didn't realize I was taking any role. I'm still me. I just want others to know the Truth. And if I am not able to give that to them like an Epiphany then that's all right, I just want people to question enough that they come to the Truth.

What you've written has helped me a great deal. I don't know why. But something in what you've written is a gem.

Originally posted by HarpStrings


I wanted to thank you.

You answered my other questions, please ignore them. You posted while I was distracted. Good luck with your journey.

Originally posted by InDirectViolation
This is starting to sound as if you are starting your own Religion (Denomination)? Do you fancy yourself a prophet or a teacher? Do you believe you are in possession of knowledge no one else has? Just trying to understand the motive.

I fancy myself as a child of YHWH, a Mother, daughter, friend and sometimes my own worst enemy. Do I see the future of mankind? Yes, but only Biblically speaking. I haven't had visions or even dreams. I don't want people to come out of their religion and come into another. I want people to come to the knowledge of Truth, THE Truth.

If you do not know Him then yes I'd have to honestly say I do possess knowledge that you don't have. But I'm not "possessing" that knowledge. I'm giving it to you at 12:47 AM EST and I know I am physically exhausted but Spiritually renewed and awake.

Originally posted by HarpStrings
Buddhism does teach all of those things. But where or better yet *who* becomes your god? You do. Buddhism teaches that you are ultimately your own god. That pretty much removes Commandment number 1.

- Not from all perspectives. Besides, this is really just beleive it because the book says so, and even if you do the kind acts and good deeds, merely because you happen not to beleive(Or G_d forbid be born on some Island that has never seen a Bible) you will not be saved? I simply can not see a G_d of Love doing such a thing, or even uproving. Also, I would point out that at least logically any conception of G_d, that is seperate from us, would ultimately not be "The All in All", for it would be without us.

Originally posted by HarpStrings
I'm giving you the torch. Where you choose to place it isn't up to me. If it were you would understand me. I WANT you to understand me. I can only suggest that you keep your torch lit and that means having plenty of oil. No disrespect taken and thank you for that.

- I want to understand you aswell. However so far you have given me pretty much to beleive in what a book, that has been shown to have been altered inumerous times(NT), and the OT where some of the most violent and horrible acts are committed?

Originally posted by HarpStrings
That is your choice! Again I'll refer you to the lamp (torch) Keep plenty of oil for it. Seek the Truth. If I've atleast made you question some things then you are well on your way to finding the Truth.

- Well you've made me question The thing is though you haven't really offered much to go on here.

Originally posted by HarpStrings

Tell me how to seek the Holy Spirit.

Listen to His voice. Seek Him with a pure heart. By that I don't mean you, yourself must be pure. I'm a sinner but I sought Him, earnestly. I think I even begged and pleaded for Him to help me understand. If I've atleast guided you with enough information that you question and test the spirits, you are well on your way to knowing the Holy Spirit. If you're anything like me, you question everything and you want answers to your questions. So seek them! He is pouring out His Spirit.

- I see. SO what you are saying is the answers are within me! Coolies. BTW - WHo is the Lawless one? Where is he?

Originally posted by HarpStrings
Thank you for reading and responding! It was here (this website) that I myself questioned some things written and sought Him. Therefore, I almost feel that because of this, I must give what I've learned in return. I understand a lot has been placed on my lap per say, and I'm still not fully understanding what I'm suppose to do. All I know is that I was deceived just as many others have been, and I'm not anyone special or amazing, yet He gave me knowledge of Spirit, His Spirit. (I haven't forgotten about the trinity) It may take me a day or day but I'll give you what comes and maybe we can help one another understand.

- OK, but you still haven't really done much. I understand so far that you beleive in the Bible, that Jesus as he is portrayed in modern religons is Satan, that the real Jesus, was named Yashua(sp?) and that he too was a(the) son of G_d. Now, what I would like to ask is, do you also beleive that he rose physically? As his physical body? What role do you see Mary playing in this drama?




[edit on 2-11-2006 by Waiting2awake]

Originally posted by Waiting2awake

- Not from all perspectives. Besides, this is really just beleive it because the book says so, and even if you do the kind acts and good deeds, merely because you happen not to beleive(Or G_d forbid be born on some Island that has never seen a Bible) you will not be saved? I simply can not see a G_d of Love doing such a thing, or even uproving. Also, I would point out that at least logically any conception of G_d, that is seperate from us, would ultimately not be "The All in All", for it would be without us.

I would have to say here that you must use the Spirit to discern. Not all things that appear to be good and peaceful ARE good and peaceful. For example; Christmas is warm and fuzzy for most people, the time of year tends to bring on a sense of comfort, love and charity. But buried beneath the pretext of 'christmas' lies everything that opposes what "appears on the surface" to many people who are either blinded by the warm and fuzzies, or in denial. YHWH insist that His children place no gods before Him. Just because christmas has been altered does not mean the origin has been lost-He remembers! He is there at the time when people are lighting fires, giving gifts and adorning lights, singing songs to a different god, just as he is here where people are still basically doing the same things, only they've committed adultary upon Him by now including His Sons birth into the festivities.

I'll answer you as I do others who ask me the same thing about people who have never heard of Him; if you are concerned for those people, then it should become your duty in life to bring them Truth. If you have Truth and feel sorry for those who do not, or have not ever heard of the Bible even, then let that be your calling in life; to educate and spread the Truth, plant His seeds everywhere, the watering is up to those who take on your seed and the Holy Spirit of Yeshua. He is a G_d of love, hence His first two commandments! He wants His chlildren, all of them! He sent His Son for that very reason! Through the blood of the Lamb we can all be washed clean and adorn white rodes (His Spirit)

Originally posted by HarpStrings
I'm giving you the torch. Where you choose to place it isn't up to me. If it were you would understand me. I WANT you to understand me.

- I want to understand you aswell. However so far you have given me pretty much to beleive in what a book, that has been shown to have been altered inumerous times(NT), and the OT where some of the most violent and horrible acts are committed?

Whether or not the Bible has been altered does not matter at all. No one can alter the Holy Spirit. The people that altered the book committed a grave mistake-see Revelation. He will take care of all of that. But no matter how much or how little was taken or added to the Bible, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, The Living Word that can guide you in understanding the Bible, completely. You may not be able to word all of the Truth to others but you can certainly get them seeking Him and He can do the rest. The violence is there to show us how a man is without Spirit/before Messiah arose and was exalted and glorified. Do not pity those people or shun Him because of those peoples behavior they were (and still are) being taught. Instead let them become an example for you on how lucky/blessed we (man) are today to have the Spirit available to us.

- Well you've made me question

The thing is though you haven't really offered much to go on here.

I wish I could give you everything I know or have learned. For some reason, I'm finding myself going slow with you, not cautiously slow, just careful. That tells me that you must be unique to Him! Do continue to question and pray. You will find yourself exactly where He is leading you or wants you. Ultimately, I'm not your shepherd, I'm a sheep simply guiding you back to Him, our Shepherd.

- I see. SO what you are saying is the answers are within me! Coolies. BTW - WHo is the Lawless one? Where is he?

Absolutely, if you have the Holy Spirit of Messiah Yeshua dwelling in you then you have all you need. Without His Holy Spirit- you are at risk of being deceived by the spirit of the anti-Messiah. And his spirit is devoid of light although he 'can' appear surface-wise full of light, his wisdom only gives man what man desires. Satan does not rest, he works day and night waiting to catch a sheep who wandered off. That in itself tells you many things, Satan does not rest-he has no 7th day rest. Remember that 7th day rest, even to even for it IS Holy. Do you know who the lawless one is now?

- OK, but you still haven't really done much. I understand so far that you beleive in the Bible, that Jesus as he is portrayed in modern religons is Satan, that the real Jesus, was named Yashua(sp?) and that he too was a(the) son of G_d. Now, what I would like to ask is, do you also beleive that he rose physically? As his physical body? What role do you see Mary playing in this drama?

These questions you ask here are empty. I have given MUCH. The *rest* is up to you. Your heart needs to be cleared *purified* first and foremost. Satan casts doubt and will lead man to ask questions that bring upon even more doubt and confusion. Satan is the author of confusion. There is only ONE Son of G_d, there is only one Messiah. There are two identities. One is real, one is an image. Read your Bible.

Originally posted by HarpStrings

Originally posted by dbates
Shoud you be criticized for saying Yeshua instead of יֵשׁוּעַ

There's a language barrier here, so we don't pronounce the Hebrew names exactly as one would have then.

Christ comes from the Greek word Χριστός (Christós) which is the usual translation for the Hebrew word מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíah), that is Messiah. It means the anointed one.

Jesus is actually a contraction or short form of the name Joshua, but we don't rail people for not calling Josuha "Yehoshua". The meaning of course is something to the effect of "salvation of God".

So Jesus Christ = Salvation of God, The Anointed One

I don't have any problems with that.

I don't have any problem with anything you've written! HOWEVER, if and when you learn prophesy in the Bible straight out of the mouth of Yeshua Messiah even, you can line that up with the Word of the Holy Spirit and understand that the name Jesus which came only a few hundred years ago, has allowed Satan to do exactly what is written and that is come in the name of Messiah and deceive many, if not all mankind. Satan cannot come AS Yeshua Messiah, only as the IMAGE of Messiah. Therefore Satan planned(or planted) the name Jesus Christ so that he could come as king and teach a new, false, mystery religion under the name of Christ.

Okay, wow, right there you lost me. I think I will go back to being a blind sheep. I, in no way, will believe that Jesus Christ is a construct of Satan.

Remember, Christ came to earth to fully realize the word of God, to reveal the divine presence to man. The Bible is the cannonical of that word. Jesus did not intend to be obtuse, or to confuse His followers. Your rendition of the savior is wrapped in mysticism, unapprochable except in a pseudointellectual fashion.

That's not the Christ I know and the one who died on the cross.

That is all I will say on the matter. I do not want to get into religious debates. And I respect other beliefs.

...now I gotta go drink some Blood of Christ and get buzzed.

Originally posted by HarpStrings


Does the church teach that Jesus is Christ and he will save you. Does the church worship or gather in the name of Jesus Christ on Sun day. Does the church teach that you are saved by water baptism. Does the church teach of the false trinity. Does the church condone or allow pagen holidays to supersede The Almightys festivals and feast days.

The foundation for Satan was laid years ago for the church to deceive man. And the closer we come to that 6th seal being opened, the more people are coming to the knowledge of the Truth. Or the closer we come to the opening of that 6th seal, the more people NEED to come to the knowledge of the Truth.

THE 6TH SEAL IS ALREADY OPEN


the 7 seals are the years from 2001-2007 and are also the 7yrs of the tribulation.

2001=1st seal
2002=2nd
2003=3rd
2004=4th
2005=5th
2006=6th
2007=7th

the 7th seal(2007) is about to be opened..but first the tribe of IS REAL must be sealed!

futhermore jesus is not the only son of god..but he is a high priest! and a part of the galactic federation of light.

and universal logos of the christ!

before this year is over..jesus and the holy angels (the elohim) will gather the believers (is real) and bring them into space aboard the planet nibiru (nahburu)

read the 6th seal!

Originally posted by behindthescenes

Okay, wow, right there you lost me. I think I will go back to being a blind sheep. I, in no way, will believe that Jesus Christ is a construct of Satan.

Remember, Christ came to earth to fully realize the word of God, to reveal the divine presence to man. The Bible is the cannonical of that word. Jesus did not intend to be obtuse, or to confuse His followers. Your rendition of the savior is wrapped in mysticism, unapprochable except in a pseudointellectual fashion.

That's not the Christ I know and the one who died on the cross.

That is all I will say on the matter. I do not want to get into religious debates. And I respect other beliefs.

...now I gotta go drink some Blood of Christ and get buzzed.

I didn't lose you, you allowed yourself to become lost. I'm am trying to call you back to Him.

You are missing what I'm saying because you are blinded by The Truth. The darkness has caused your eyes to hurt in the Truth. The Christ you know is a man-made, Satan derived name that the spirit of the anti-messiah has been using to trick man into believing another gospel and paving the way for the universal religion to surface.

The Bible prophesy is 100% accurate. Read it. We ARE IN THE DAYS. Once Messiah opens that 6th seal He is going to pull back His Spirit from mankind-there will be darkness/spiritually for all people-that is where Satan knows his time is very short and thus he will take advantage of the people who were already in Spiritual darkness/those who FORGOT the Holy DAY of *REST*.

You have been taught well if you are falling for a gospel that doesn't exist! Seek Him, pray and read your Bible *alone* with only the Holy Spirit as your interpreter. He is waiting to give you Truth. He is pouring out His Spirit upon mankind and it will not last long before we go into spiritual darkness. That is why it is imperative to seek Him now, He will come like a thief in the night.

This isn't a religious debate. The Holy Spirit leaves no room for debate. Satan debates and argues and offers you the gift of spiritual confusion. Satan tells man what man WANTS to hear. Yeshua tells man what IS. Whether that sounds warm and fuzzy or not is not a choice! You want comfort and warm and fuzzies here on earth/in the world of man, you can get it anywhere, it appears to be free but you are paying for those things with His BLOOD.

I am alerting you, and all those who read to what IS, was and IS to COME. I am telling you to not take my word for it alone. Read your Bibles!! Ask the right questions, not empty ones.

Originally posted by Essedarius
In my opinion, you are placing far too much weight on names. Don't you think that the ideas of Jesus or Paul or God merit more consideration than the sampling of phonemes that are used to get their attention?

We are having a discussion about faith right now and I'll let you in on a secret...Essedarius is not my real name. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the same is true for SpeakerOfTruth, dbates, and for you too Harp.

Does this fact keep us from sharing our ideas and engaging in productive conversation? Nope. We need our names only so we can attach ideas to individuals and organize conversations. They are no more important than that.

God is many things to many people, I reckon...and a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

i totally agree..there is no need to argue over his name..if this is based on spirit then im sure the true christ wouldnt care what you called him as long as you acknowledge him for who he is and what he's done.

understand that the greek gods are fashioned after the greater sumerian gods the AHnunAHki(holy angels)..and they are our true creators..jesus was a priest of the AHnunAHki and is promised this world for his death to save all who believe in him.

this world will be his in the year 2012.


stop arguing over his name..this is a pointless topic.

Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
futhermore jesus is not the only son of god..but he is a high priest! and a part of the galactic federation of light.

and universal logos of the christ!

before this year is over..jesus and the holy angels (the elohim) will gather the believers (is real) and bring them into space aboard the planet nibiru (nahburu)

read the 6th seal!

I disagree 100%. You have been deceived. You are prime meat for the anti-christ/Satan. Pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to come upon you in the NAME OF YESHUA MESSIAH-HIS name. Only changed by man about 300 years ago.

Not we are in the 5th seal soon He will open the 6th. Where do you get your info?

Originally posted by HarpStrings




The Bible prophesy is 100% accurate. Read it. We ARE IN THE DAYS. Once Messiah opens that 6th seal He is going to pull back His Spirit from mankind-there will be darkness/spiritually for all people-that is where Satan knows his time is very short and thus he will take advantage of the people who were already in Spiritual darkness/those who FORGOT the Holy DAY of *REST*.

yes its true we are in the last days and years..and the 6th seal has already be open sicne the start of 2006!

he is not going to pull back his spirit from anyone.

satan will have 3.5 years to control the earth (2007-2010)

harp,im afarid you need more knowledge before you make those claims...but i do like your avatar

Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
i totally agree..there is no need to argue over his name..if this is based on spirit then im sure the true christ wouldnt care what you called him as long as you acknowledge him for who he is and what he's done.

understand that the greek gods are fashioned after the greater sumerian gods the AHnunAHki(holy angels)..and they are our true creators..jesus was a priest of the AHnunAHki and is promised this world for his death to save all who believe in him.

this world will be his in the year 2012.


stop arguing over his name..this is a pointless topic.

Are you at all aware of what you write/say? Messiah wouldn't "care" what we call Him?? His name is extremely important. I cannot emphasize this enough. He knows His sheep who call Him by name. Read The Bible, and pray and call Him by HIS REAL NAME, His only name.

Originally posted by HarpStrings


I disagree 100%. You have been deceived. You are prime meat for the anti-christ/Satan. Pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to come upon you in the NAME OF YESHUA MESSIAH-HIS name. Only changed by man about 300 years ago.

Not we are in the 5th seal soon He will open the 6th. Where do you get your info?

no i have not be decived at all...i know who jesus is..and he knows me aswell..he came down to the pit to rescue me..then appeared on my t.v screen one night(true story)

i get my information from the bible and the holy spirit..the spirit of truth.

WE ARE IN THE 6TH SEAL.

and i can prove it!

but i am sure you can not prove anything you say..if you can then tell me when the 1st seal was opened? and explain to me what it describes.

I HAVE THE TRUTH! and i will prove it.

Originally posted by HarpStrings


Are you at all aware of what you write/say? Messiah wouldn't "care" what we call Him?? His name is extremely important. I cannot emphasize this enough. He knows His sheep who call Him by name. Read The Bible, and pray and call Him by HIS REAL NAME, His only name.

i am fully aware of what i write and say.

and i think your just taking this name thing alittle bit to seriuos.

and you right he knows his sheep..by the mind ,body, and soul.

oo and believe me i read the bible ,more then you know.


im going to tell you again...THE 6TH SEAL IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Waiting:

Waiting Original > "Salvation is born through faith that Jesus Christ is your lord ans saviour and through beleiving that he died for your sins."

Terral’s Reply > Not exactly. Believing that Jesus is Lord AND God raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9) are component precepts teaching our ‘doctrine of salvation’ for today. However, you are saved by God’s grace through faith apart from works (Eph. 2:8+9) and adding the tiniest itsy bitsy little “WORK” makes “VOID” (1Cor. 1:17) the power of the cross to save anyone. I preach the Gospel and you either believe it or disbelieve it – Period! There are no prayers, songs, water baptisms or any other WORK to be added to the Gospel of your salvation:

Waiting’s Reply >> Cool, but in "grace through faith apart from works", which faith are you speaking on? His existence? Yeshua's? Jesus? The Almighty? The All in All? Or faith that someone died? Faith that someone lived? Which faith?

Wrong on all accounts. This is the ‘mystery’ aspect of the Gospel (Romans 16:25, Ephesians 6:19) that people have difficulty seeing and understanding. Please allow me to try and explain from a different perspective: Jesus Christ taught that if His disciples had the faith of a mustard seed (smallest of all seeds), then these things could happen:

“And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.” Matthew 17:20.

“And the Lord said, "If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and be planted in the sea'; and it would obey you.” Luke 17:6.

Did Christ anticipate mountains and trees being tossed too and fro by His disciples? No. He is teaching that His disciples had NO FAITH AT ALL. This is evidenced by the fact that NONE of them were present at the tomb on the third day AND none of them would believe when told that “He has risen!” Mark 16:10-14. Christ knew that NONE of them had any faith, because that ‘faith of Jesus’ (Romans 3:26) was still “IN” Him. God would mill that prized position of every believing Christian out for us by breaking the “Bread of Life” into pieces at CALVARY! The knowledge about this ‘faith of Jesus’ is part of the ‘wisdom given him’ (2Peter 3:14-16) that the untaught and unstable distort even today to their ‘own destruction.’ Again, the believer ‘receives’ that ‘faith’ by HEARING (Romans 10:17) as described above.

Terral Original >> Suppose we lined up every man and woman here on the eastern shores of the USA and everyone who can swim to Europe would be saved. How many would make it? Zero? Nobody here is capable of paying for their own transgressions against God that have been carried out far beyond the realm of time and space itself.

Waiting’s Reply >> How exactly do you figure that? What transgression could a new born have? Or even a teenager for petes sake. I simply can not see us someing from perfection, with imperfection. I never have understood why the original sin took the form it did in mythos.

The facts concerning what you ‘do not’ understand are well noted, which is why we are having this conversation. Did the “You are god’s” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34) teaching fly over your head? Everyone knows God sent His Only Begotten Son into the world (John 3:16), but what follows? Pay careful attention,

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does NOT believe has been JUDGED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the Only Begotten Son of God.” John 3:18

God is able to choose us “IN” Christ ‘BEFORE the foundations of the world’ (Ephesians 1:4), because He is standing beyond the veil of time and space itself. Everyone baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:27) through obedience to our gospel escapes that Judgment, because of the ‘relationship’ God has with His Only Begotten Son.



Note how God’s Infinite Realm (golden ring) surrounds “Christ Jesus” standing ‘between God and men’ (1Timothy 2:5) between the “Two Veils.” This ‘relationship’ allows God to see the beginning from the very end AND actively participate as the Judge ‘through’ His Son. Everyone baptized into Christ passes through the First Veil to have a life “hidden with Christ IN GOD.” Colossians 3:1-3. If you are going to wait for the lowest common denominator to visualize these things, before you are willing to make the attempt, then perhaps you never wanted to know ‘the truth’ on this topic in the first place.

Waiting >> So what you are saying is there was this little smackdown. And a buch of bad guys went against the good guys.

Satan is God’s Adversary in His Infinite Realm who was cast down into an intercessory “Word Realm” standing between those two veils (Heaven to this Universe). Michael the Archangel then battled with the Dragon, until his sorry behind was cast down into the “Flesh Realm” (This Creation) where we are currently having this conversation. His evil forces of this darkness are currently seated in the heavenly places (Ephesians 6:12) of the “Heaven” standing between the “Heavens” and the “Earth” in “This Creation.” In other words, this is the third and final time God will defeat Satan/Dragon/devil in spirit (God’s Realm), soul (Word Realm) and now body (This Creation) fashion.

To you and me this operation is taking ‘ages and ages,’ but to God from His position the entire process took place in the blink of an eye. Everyone here (descended from Noah’s sons) has citizenship in God’s Infinite Realm and our infinite bodies are pressed tightly against that “Second Veil,” exposing our necks in the “Realm of the Word” (like an umbilical), so we could incarnate into “This Creation” as mere men (and women). The sins of this life are only a reflection of sins committed in God’s Infinite Realm where those who disbelieve our gospel are “Judged Already!” You can oversimplify and generalize these things to remove the true meanings, but that is ‘the truth’ of our situation in a nutshell.



Obtaining the ‘faith of Jesus’ by hearing the gospel baptizes us into “Christ Jesus” of Figure 2.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Originally posted by TheSonOfMan

no i have not be decived at all...i know who jesus is..

I HAVE THE TRUTH! and i will prove it.

Who is jesus? I don't need nor want your proven truths. You do not have to "prove" Truth. It isn't a game. You are playing with knowledge you cannot even handle. And you are paying the ultimate price with the blood of Yeshua Messiah.

You say jesus is going to rescue you in a space ship. Please ask for the Holy Spirit in the name of Yeshua Messiah to remove the deception from you. I ASSURE you Yeshua isn't coming back on a space ship. Satan might though.

Are you part of the group that has billboards in various cities claiming that Saturday is the true day of the Sabbath, and everyone who worships God on Sunday is going to hell?

Remember, Christianity took what was pagan and turned it holy to help convert entrenched pagans and polytheists. So the decision on the sabbath, while politicaly volitile, is about time and place. It was a necessary decision by The Church in order to help foster the growth of faith in the Roman empire and beyond.

The problem with debating this is you are basing much of your logic outside of what is considered the Bible. I mean, you are all but scrapping all of the apostle letters that reveal how Christ was the fulfillment of Old Testament prophesy. I think you need to reread the old testament -- isolating the messianic prophesies -- and comparing it to the account of Christ's life.

Then maybe The Truth, as you have so aptly put it, will set you free.